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Getting Rid of Most of my Flavors, Part 3
submitted almost 3 years ago by ID10-TWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

You can find Part 1 here

and Part 2 here, if you’re into that sort of thing.

Starting Flavor Count: 2,952 (down from 2,976 originally)

It’s one or the other: TASK or TRASH

#FLAVOUR ART

Cookie

This is way out of order on my spreadsheet of flavors. I reserve the right to do that from time to time. It’s coming up now because mixing this G’s Thin Mint was one of my tasks from Part 1 and I finally got around to trying it. It was part of my decision-making process as far as whether to keep or punt Baker Flavors Chocolate Truffle from my slowly shrinking colossus of a flavor collection. Jury is still out on that one, I’m still trying to figure out whether I can make a chocolate RY4 recipe I like as much as Raven without using it. And now I’m convinced I would also need to find a Thin Mint recipe I love that also doesn’t use it.

As for the G’s Thin Mint recipe, I couldn’t disagree with my friend’s assertion that the Chocolate Truffle is perfect for a Thin Mint cookie. It’s a really solid recipe that I very much enjoyed. Definitely tastes like a Thin Mint. It just slightly suffers from two things that I have in common with it, not enough FLV Creme de Menthe and too much cookie. I had just enough drops of Creme de Menthe to make it and then I had to order a new, bigger bottle. The recipe tastes like it could use just a little more, or maybe just have a little less cookie competing with it. Right flavors, every-so-slightly off balance. In my case, I just have a whole bunch of cookie flavors, more than I can ever use. About 30 of them.

FA Cookie is dark, crispy, and a little sharp. It tastes like a dry and crunchy, yet sweet and buttery, homemade cookie. It tastes almost overcooked; very dark, but not quite burnt. Personally, I like big soft cookies, even a little undercooked and gooey in the middle. But if you’re into dry crunchy cookies, this is a winner. There’s a ton of AP in here and it gets slightly nutty, but it’s really free of off notes. Strong, does not need to be used over 2% or it gets slightly bitter, definitely overcooked and almost burnt. This is not a bad flavor, very much in the top 10 out of 30. But do I NEED it? I don’t think I do. Jungle Flavors Cookie is so similar, but I like it just a little more. With a few exceptions, it seems like this is what Jungle Flavors does. They take a flavor that already exists and is readily available, then tweak it just a little to make it just a little better than the original. Vaping single flavor samples of FA and JF cookies a week apart, at the same concentration, I’m not even sure I could tell you which one I was tasting, that’s how similar they are. But side by side, there are differences. JF Cookie is a bit softer and sweeter. It’s not quite as crunchy and pushing burnt as FA Cookie. Slightly more buttery, slightly less dry. Maybe a tiny touch of something halfway between maple and caramel that shouldn’t be there, maybe.

I would keep FA Cookie if I had any plans to try to sell any more commercial recipes, but that market seems to have completely dried up. There might be a little work out there, but it’s probably not worth the hassle. The reason for keeping FA Cookie would be that some juice companies might have some concerns about buying bulk JF, while none none of them are going to balk at FA. But since I’m only mixing for myself now, I see no reason to keep both on hand. If a recipe calls for FA, I’ll just have to sub in JF because FA Cookie is going in the TRASH 1.

#BAKER FLAVORS

Cream Charlotte

Very rich and thick buttery sweet cream, but also has a heavy buytric sour note, basically like drinking sweetened buttermilk and then barfing it all up. I thought it was not Charles Manson that recommended this flavor to me, but now I think it might have actually been Charles Manson, because convincing me to try this was more or less a homicide attempt. I survived. Barely. TRASH 2.

Eis Waffel

I bought this thinking it meant “ice waffle” and being very curious about what it tasted like. I’ve since learned that it could be a waffle cone, but is more likely a kind of vanilla wafer snack thing.

The flavor itself is definitely supposed to be a vanilla wafer, but not a Nilla Wafer like banana pudding must have, one of these guys. It tastes almost just like it, although the wafer flavor sticks out more than it should when the sweet creamy vanilla (emphasis on sweet, it needs to be a lot more sugary too) should be the one driving. It’s extremely vapeable but I already have WF Crispy Wafer, thanks anyway. TRASH 3.

#CAPELLA

Acai

Not really Acai, though in a mix with other berries it might bring an appropriate amount of tartness that acai would bring to the table. By itself, more of mixed berry candy that reminds me of sour berry gummy worms with almost all of the sour already licked off, minus most but not all of the gummy texture. A thinner, tarter brighter raspberry/cranberry top notes with a touch of candied sweetness; darker more syrupy sweet fake blackberry/blueberry-esque base with a bit of gummy texture, with a pretty distinct separation between them, top heavy and dominated by that tarter red candy base. Little bit harsh/throaty, not too bad but more so than most other berries.

This is a very interesting, fun flavor. I loved Ecco by Nick Evans, which I found to be an astoundingly accurate copy of those blueberry-flavored blue dolphin gummies. But, I didn’t love it enough for it to be my only reason for keeping CAP Acai around.

I’m going to give Acai one more opportunity to keep its place in stash by making mixing The Matrix by 8062282 my next TASK 1. If it tastes like something I want more of, CAP Acai stays, if not, it goes.

Anise

Mostly tastes like anise. Awfully sweet for a spice, but not as candied as a candy. Maybe anise syrup? It’s not dry. It’s not thin, it has a sweet syrupy body. I thought it just tasted like licorice when I was first repulsed by it years ago, until I actually tried a licorice flavor, then the difference becomes pretty clear. There’s also a weird hint of a kind of metallic citrus in there.

Off the top of my head, I could not think of a good enough reason for keeping CAP Anise. There are better anise flavors out there. But then I found a 5-year-old recipe for Papaya Chai Tea and although the recipe even looks pretty dated, that profile is intriguing to me. It’s something I might want to work on bringing up to date. Should probably try the original first, so that’s my next TASK 2, mixing Papaya Chai Tea by Karlito Jackson with an eye toward updating it.

Apple Pie

Cinnamon apple with an oddly rich creaminess and no pie crust to be found. Cinnamon tastes exactly like the CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl cinnamon and is the most prominent flavor here. It’s kind of oddly just a little metallic to me but it’s not a deal-breaker level of off-note. The apple is a bit understated and middle of the road, though the cinnamon gives it the warmth of a cooked apple. The two together really remind me of some Apple Pie Moonshine I had once, to the extent that I want to mix it with the Bourbon Trinity to make a simple four-ingredient Apple Pie Bourbon, but it finishes with some somewhat thick and rich, slightly buttery smooth cream with a bit of vanilla. Apple Pie Bourbon with a homemade whipped cream chaser? Sounds fun. Altogether, this has a really thick, full mouthfeel, but it’s more cinnamon cream with a little apple than apple pie.

It’s certainly not a “bad” flavor and if you added some crust and boosted the apple and the cream it wouldn’t be far off from an apple pie a la mode, but at that point you’re basically building an apple pie from scratch anyway and the only thing missing is the cinnamon, for which there are better options. Hell, CAP CDS plus an apple would be closer to Apple Pie than this with just two ingredients.

NaChef beat me to the apple cinnamon bourbon profile with his 42nd Bourbon recipe. I’m going to make trying this my next TASK 3, to see if it’s so good I need to keep CAP Apple Pie and to think about whether that Simple Apple Pie Bourbon needs to be a thing.

Apple Pie V2

I can barely tell the difference between this and the original, but there are some slight differences. By itself, I’d rather vape the original because it’s more flavorful overall, but this one is a bit more like apple pie simply because that cream note is diminished and less of a distraction from the cinnamon apple. Same cinnamon, still no crust. Apple is a bit brighter and more prominent red apple but that CDS cinnamon is still the star. Unnecessary vanilla cream is still there, but it’s thinner, drier, and not buttery, with a slightly more forward brighter vanilla. I don’t think they took out the diketones from the OG and replaced them with butyric acid because I’m not getting any barfy taste, I think they just took the diketones out. It seems like if you wanted to bring in some crust and make this an apple pie without ice cream, you’d have an easier time covering up the cream with crust than you would with the original, and you wouldn’t need to supplement the apple as much.

This is not a bad flavor, especially for a V2, but I can’t find a really good reason to keep it other than maybe this is the flavor I really need for apple pie bourbon rather than V1, since it’s less creamy. I should probably go ahead and mix something up before I get too hasty about tossing it.

Simple Apple Bourbon TASK 4

Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- FLV | Bourbon | 1 VT | Bourbon | 2 TFA | Kentucky Bourbon | 3 CAP | Apple Pie V2 | 4

Apple Snacks

Apple Jacks cereal, straight up. Multigrain cereal flavored with dried apples and apple juice and just a hint of cinnamon. No milk. They nailed it. Only thing off I can find is that it tastes a little too toasted, like the machine that makes the apple jacks was running a few degrees hotter that day. The cereal flavor, texture, the taste of the apple, the amount and taste of the apple and cinnamon, all of that takes me right back to eating Apple Jacks.

Other than adding some milk I think you’d have to get pretty creative to find some other uses for this, but if you’re just wanting to vape Apple Jacks cereal, here it is. Want it with milk, add some FA Milk or OoO Creamy Underpants, maybe some FA or TFA Meringue to sweeten it up, and done. I guess you could try to cover the apple with some other fruit to use that crunchy cereal bit but I don’t know how successful that would be. Maybe add a fruit to make it like Apple Jacks with other fruit floating in it, or a bit of a brighter apple to pop that out and make it more interesting, if a little less authentic or if your apple gets thrown out of whack by milk. Or it might work as a muffin component or you could do some VT Golden Syrup or something to glue it together into some kind of cereal bar. IDK. But yeah, Apple Jacks. That’s pretty awesome.

Silky’s Apple Slaps looks perfect to me on paper, and OddDrop’s JACKER looks great too, just a slightly different means to the same end. To be as thorough as possible about this I’ll mix them both and compare and think about possibly keeping this flavor to make the better of the two in the future. TASK 5 and TASK 6

Apricot

It’s like boiling dried apricots and drinking the water after adding some sugar to it. A light and soft apricot flavor that tastes like it might have come from nature. It’s a little simpler and slightly softer and sweeter than a real apricot, which is already a soft and not terribly or complex flavor, but it doesn’t have that bright fake oversaturated candy-type flavor. It doesn’t taste fully cooked down into something like a jam, because that would be a more intense flavor, but it’s a bit jammy, with a sticky sweetness, almost too sticky sweet for the amount of apricot that actually comes though. Down below 4% it’s pretty thin, but by 6% the sticky sweet fills in more. No throat hit.

There are better apricot flavors, for sure. But I need this to mix my own recipe, Titanic. I need to make some more of that and decide whether it’s really good enough to be the only reason I’m keeping CAP Apricot. It probably will be, I remember loving that stuff and I have some good memories attached to it, but finding out for sure is the next TASK 7. What good memories, you ask? I vaped it all day while riding a bar bike through Oklahoma City with friends. I gotta say, of all the modes of transportation I’ve used in my life, which are many, bar bike has got to be my most favorite way to get around. Your body is the engine, light beer is the gasoline. Amazing.

Banana

I got a hint of cloves at 3% and it grossed me out, but I’m also not sure going lower is a good idea; it’s not an especially bold flavor at all at 3%. Fucking eugenol. Also a bit waxy-textured. Not especially creamy/thick or dry, not especially candy or authentic, pretty middle of the road, if that clove thing wasn’t ruining it. I guess I could try a lower concentration in case 3 was too much but I don’t have high enough hopes for that to be worth my time. There are so many other, better, bananas. TRASH 4

Banana Split

Soft candy banana with some vanilla and a thick and sweet but waxy body but a bit of a weird, bitter burnt sugar aftertaste like dirty wicks. I’m getting too old to deal with weird bitter burnt sugar aftertastes. TRASH 5.

Bavarian Cream

I would not say it tastes “Bad,” but out of the eight or nine Bavarian creams I’ve tried, this is the strangest one, in that it has a very strong hazelnut flavor in it. There’s a buttery taste that’s more of a top note without a buttery base feel, which is noticeably stronger at 4% than 3% and really the only difference between those two concentrations. Fluffy vanilla cream in the middle but with that strong hazelnut. Basically tastes like hazelnut coffee creamer mixed into whipped cream, not really sure what that has to do with Bavarian Cream. Might be a good middle-weight cream to pair with nuts. Light sweetness. That vanilla does not taste exactly the same as their brighter Simply Vanilla or their darker French Vanilla or Vanilla Custard. It’s a bit more of a vanilla bean flavor, I think.

It would take a truly great recipe to convince me to keep this flavor. I haven’t tried one yet, but I’m going to give Gunslinger317’s Bavarian Banana Nut Bread a chance to be that recipe. TASK 8 It looks absolutely delicious. I have some doubt that trying it is going to convince me that 1% CAP Bavarian Cream is absolutely essential to making a recipe like this work, though, so don’t be surprised if CAP Bavarian Cream finds its way to the trash pile soon.

Biscuit

Coconut. If you were hoping for something like a Grand’s Flaky Biscuit or the biscuit from a McDonald’s Bacon Egg and Cheese Biscuit this is not that. None of the biscuit flavors are that sort of biscuit, they’re the sort of European dry, crunchy digestive biscuit that’s more like a graham cracker than a breakfast food. Sort of like a dry, undersweetened shortbread cookie. Think tea time. This one mostly tastes like it should but I’m get some dry coconut flake from it and some nut flavor as well. Not bad as far as off notes go unless you hate coconut but still, off. Basically tastes like a slightly nutty biscuit that inexplicably had sweetened coconut flakes piled on top of it. Full bodied and thick. A bit softer than a biscuit flavor should probably be, with a hint of butter.

My first thought was this one is an easy choice for the trash. But this Picheimon Coconut Cobber by Leliani recipe gives me pause. She is embracing the coconut! I’ll give it a try before deciding whether to pitch CAP Biscuit. TASK 9

Black Currant

Very weak. 4% I get just wisp of sweetness, tartness, and barely a wisp of a kind of a mixed berry flavor. 8% it is full-flavored, sort of. It mostly tastes like a cross between a tart grape and blackberry candy and a naturally sweet ripe blueberry. There’s some vague floral around that tartness upfront and I found it a little harsh and hard to vape. It’s dry and thin and has that kind of harshness that drier, thinner flavors tend to have. Very sweet with just a little earthiness to it. I suspect that earthiness makes it less of a full-on candy and more of a failed attempt at something natural, but maybe black currant candy is supposed to have that touch of earthiness, I don’t know. With so many better currant flavors to choose from, it seems like this one is pretty tossable, but this Black Hole Currant recipe is infringing. Black licorice and black currant is a ubiquitous combination thanks to the Europeans, but mixing Back Currant and black licorice AND coconut? Ok. You got me Parad0x357. I’ll make trying that a TASK 10 for this round, then decide what to do with CAP Black Currant.

Blackberry

Not quite a blackberry. It sort of fits the profile of a blackberry - a very dark sweet and slightly floral-tart berry flavor - without really nailing it in terms of authenticity. I guess there might be a blackberry candy that tastes similar to this, but it’s not a natural blackberry or blackberry jam. It’s more of a generic dark berry flavor, and a little grapey. And it does taste like some kind of candy, or syrup. It also has a weird fluffy coconut candy off note that lingers in the finish. I think it’s pleasant, but weird, though some people might hate it for that. It makes me want to lean in and mix it with more coconut, maybe use it in some kind of berry colada thing.

Tempted to just toss it, but I’ll try it in KittyBit’s French Mornings before deciding whether to give it the boot. TASK 11

Blackberry V2

Mostly tastes like CAP Blackberry V1, minus the coconut finish. Unfortunately, taking out the coconut underneath leaves it really top-heavy, especially for a CAP flavor as those tend to fairly base-y, and leaves it with a blah, somewhat cardboardy finish. Top notes that remain are that same sort of generic sweet-lightly tart grapey dark berry, but with a little more punch to them than the V1, and a syrupy sweet midsection. Nobody uses this. TRASH 6

Blue Raspberry Cotton Candy

Mostly tastes like just what it says, very strong cotton candy flavor and aftertaste, very sweet, some identifiable blue raspberry that kind of takes a backseat to the cotton candy. But, also tastes bitter and a little burned or scorched at main-flavor concentration. I’ve had it work really well down low like 1% to 2% to sweeten another blue raspberry or other berry candy stuff, but any more than that it just tastes too much like burnt sugar to me.

Blue Frost Revisited, almost makes it worth keeping all by itself. But it’s not like I’ll never enjoy another blue raspberry recipe if I can’t have that specific one. There are a bunch of others I’d like to try though. At the moment the two that catch my eye are McD’s Guava Creme Pi. Using it in a bakery like that, bold choice. TASK 12 And Daki, where Wolfwheeler uses it as a component in a bubble gum ice cream in a waffle cone. TASK 13

Blueberry

Mostly candy blueberry with a touch of perfumey floral. Down low at 2.5% it reminds of a watered down, underflavored FW Blueberry, but increasing the concentration to try to get more out of it apparently ramps up the floral fast; I think this flavor might be nearly unusable because of that. I’m not even going to look for recipes that use this. I’ve had my fill of substandard blueberry flavors. If you have a recipe that uses it, do better. TRASH 7.

Blueberry Cinnamon Crumble

I’ve heard people praising how well this does a crumble and I can sort of see that in my peripheral vision, but I can’t get past the cinnamon here. It’s prominent, and it tastes a bit more like someone ran out of ground cinnamon for their crumble and tried to use crushed up red hots instead. Cinnamon perceptions seem to differ a bit so YMMV. The crumble is otherwise pretty solid. The so-called blueberry here is pretty slight and indistinct, so if you don’t find it ruined by candy cinnamon taste, you might be able to cover that up with just about any bold fruit flavor for a different sort of cinnamon crumble.

There was a time when I might have tried to use this just for the crumble aspect. WF Crumble Topping has rendered that completely unnecessary. TRASH 8.

Blueberry Extra

Does the extra allude to leaves and stems? There’s something green in there, maybe a little floral, underripe blueberry? Other than that it’s pretty similar to TFA Blueberry Extra in terms of flatness and not being a well-rounded flavor. A-cup blueberry in a sheer green top? I kind of like it, but it’s really odd and I can easily see how a lot of people wouldn’t.

Blueberry flavors that aren’t quite right? They go in the TRASH 9.

Blueberry Jam

Oddly grapey, but with enough blueberry to get away with calling it a blueberry. Also jammy enough to call it jam, I guess, but overall dull, not very sweet, too dark, a bit dry, and kinda... sad.

WF Blueberry Jam is better. VT Bilberry Ripe is a better blueberry jam than either of those, nevermind the name. But I’m seeing this flavor turn up in some really interesting recipes. I’ll try a couple and see if they can convince me to keep it. Le Croissant Mytrille and Citron looks like a smart and well-crafted recipe. TASK 14

Bang-a-Meringue looks solid and well-thought out as well. TASK 15

Blueberry Pomegranate

Oh look, we’ve added some cardboardy blueberry to our underwhelming pomegranate. It’s a shame because in general these flavors go really well together, blueberry and pomegranate, but to translate it into vape form you need a better blueberry, and a better pomegranate wouldn’t hurt. Has a sweet finish without the bitter aftertaste that sometimes comes with stevia, the blueberry is the most disappointing part.

It’s not that I haven’t enjoyed a recipe or two that uses it. If you have this flavor, give Pink Stuff a mix and I bet you won’t regret it. But I didn’t love it enough to keep letting CAP Blueberry Pomegranate take up space here. TRASH 10.

Bold Burley Tobacco

I have something called CAP Bold Burley Tobacco, but I’ve also seen CAP Burley Tobacco, CAP Burley Blend, and CAP Bold Tobacco - I think they’re probably all the same thing, but it came from DIY Vapor Supply labeled Bold Burley Tobacco. But whatever you call it, I’m not a fan. It’s extremely sweet, very much tasting like a marshmallow, with notes of licorice, and a little clove, on top of a very plain mild tobacco. The tobacco is actually pretty light behind that licorice clove marshmallow. People out there will like this one, I’m sure marshmallow licorice clove tobacco sounds great to someone. I’m not getting any super weird off notes if that’s what you’re into, but if you really want a tobacco vape it’s going to need some more tobacco, the tobacco here is really light. You might want some more clove as well, because it’s really light clove that’s more the same feeling of vaping clove that really tasting it, that sort of numbing effect that clove has. But you won’t need any more marshmallow or licorice, as those are pretty prominent.

This flavor isn’t actually “gross” like I was braced for it to be (Capella Tobacco? If you’ve tried enough CAP flavors that shouldn’t even sound right to you at all. But it is a hot mess, and we’ve already got a few too many of those around here. TRASH 11.

Bubblegum

It isn’t an accurate bubblegum flavor that just has an off-note. The whole thing basically IS an off note. Which is not to say it’s super gross or horrible or anything, it just doesn’t taste exactly like bubblegum. In a blind taste taste I’m not sure I would identify it as a bubblegum flavor. It tastes vaguely fruity with a thick dry body, some chalky texture, and not a lot of flavor. Like a stick of fruity flavored gum that’s ABC, not pink bubblegum. Not very sweet, either. Might work well as a part of a base for some kind of fruit gum, not sure it even has a place in a pink bubblegum recipe. TRASH 12.

Butter Cream

Supposed to be a buttercream frosting, but it’s really more butter than buttercream, but a bit sweet, like sweetened butter. Tastes good at 1 to 2% to add some butter taste as well as some sweetness and thickness. 3% Is where it starts to get weird on me. The butter starts to get a little artificial in like a movie theater popcorn fake butter way, and it gets a little waxy. CAP Butter Cream also blends well with fruits but seems to sit separate from bakeries, so not as useful for making bakeries more buttery but works very well in things like Apple Butter and with other flavors to give frostings and fillings a more unctuous, savory flavor that’s still a little sweet.

With better butters available I would probably be OK without CAP Butter Cream in my life, but I’ve enjoyed too many great recipes that have used it, so at the moment I’m scared to toss it. Instead, I’ll mix one that’s old, but new to me, DrDoobie’s Great Scotch! - looks delicious. TASK 16.

One of them was my own ABDC - Apple Butter Doodle Cookie - a snickerdoodle cookie with apple butter mixed into the dough. So, I worked hard on that and was very proud of it - 6 years ago. In the beforetimes, in the long, long ago. But now I’m very sure it could be done much better. I’m going to do that, I’m going to redo this recipe.

I’m thinking something like

ABDC 2, V1 TASK 17

Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- CAP | Cinnamon Sugar | 1.25 CAP | Sugar Cookie | 5.0 FA | Custard Premium | 1 FA | Liquid Amber | 0.25 FLV | Apple Filling | 1.25 FLV | Caramel | 0.5 VT | Pudding Base | 1.5 WF | Apple Butter | 1.25 WF | Cookie Butter | 2.0

It’ll probably take all kinds of work to balance the apple/cinnamon/cookie correctly and make the apple really taste like apple butter, but that looks like a tasty start to me.

Butter Pecan

Really falls short of FW Butter Pecan and others. The only thing it really does well is the caramelized sugar coating on those pecans. It’s sweet and sticky. The pecan is almost an afterthought, faint and just comes in at the finish. It’s a bit raw, too. There’s a hint of a kind of roasty note, like mocha coffee almost, but it vapes separately from the raw nut instead of giving a toasty nut flavor. The butter is lighter and nowhere near as rich as some of the other butter pecan flavors. Overall it feels a bit thin. Also a bit dry and flat. TRASH 13

Cake Batter

The dose makes the poison. At 4%,which is a pretty normal single-flavor % for CAP products, this is absolutely horrific. It tastes like cake batter made in the home of someone who lives in the shadows of several oil refineries and plastics manufacturing plants. At the heart of it there’s some pretty accurate gooey, sugary, eggy cake batter with a lot of vanilla, but all around it are off notes like burning plastic, ancient fryer grease, and some kind of spice that tastes like a mix of black pepper and the farts of someone whose diet is primarily nutmeg.

At 1%, it actually tastes like licking the spoon used to mix box-mix Betty Crocker vanilla cake batter, with plenty of flavor. It’s thick, gooey, a bit oily, raw, sugary, custardy, and loaded with that vanilla that tastes like... I dunno, Capella Vanilla. I could see where some people might not like it, ESPECIALLY if they don’t like CAP VC, but I dig it. Has a lingering sweet and greasy aftertaste that might also be off putting to some but I think that’s actually quite authentic to the experience of eating raw cake batter. If you’re doing that, you’re a bit of a heathen anyway, or a child, and this tastes perfect for heathen with childish palates, but maybe it’s not for more adult, sophisticated ones. I feel like if you don’t enjoy this, you’re probably not fun at parties.

I’m fun at parties!

Also it might contain about a quarter percent too much INW Biscuit for my taste, otherwise this Strawberry Marshmallow Dip by Zugmschine looks terrific. Hard to pass up something that uses both OoO Marshmallow Vanilla and OoO Strawberry Jam. Mixing this will be more of a joy than a TASK 18.

Candied Watermelon

I know a few people who are quite impressed with this one but I’ve got issues with it. It has a picture of a jolly rancher looking candy right on the bottle, but it tastes a whole lot more like one of those dry, hollow green watermelon gumballs, the kind that even seem to have a fake candy watermelon rind flavor to them, and not at all like mouthwatering red or pink hard candy. Concrete Rick says it tastes exactly like Watermelon Bubblicious and just needs something like vanilla swirl to fill it out, but I guess I don’t remember what that tastes like, when I try to think of good watermelon gum, it’s a lot juicier in my head. This is distinctly not juicy. It’s a bit harsh, a bit thin, and kind of chemically.

There are better watermelon candy flavors. TRASH 14.

Cantaloupe

FLV and VSO are much more accurate to a fresh cantaloupe melon, but I don’t think there’s another flavor out there here with “cantaloupe” in the name (I’ve tried a bunch of them) that’s going to prove as overall useful as CAP Cantaloupe, in that it might be the one flavor with cantaloupe in the name that even people who don’t like cantaloupe at all might want to pick up. Thick, sweet body. Thick without being especially creamy, almost chewy. CAP Cantaloupe has a light cantaloupe flavor that starts very slightly sharp and almost perfumy and then mellows very rapidly, with most of the flavor coming though in the middle, and a sweet finish. The cantaloupe flavor is a bit on the artificial side, making it come across like a chewy cantaloupe candy. I know from experience, mixing CAP Cantaloupe low with fruits can cause that identifiably cantaloupe-y flavor to get a bit hidden behind other bold fruits, acting more like a generic melony fruitiness, while still keeping that thick sweet body. This makes it a super useful fruit base for all kinds of things, like other melons, papaya, mango, orange, you name it. Hence why even the “I hate cantaloupe” people might want to have it on hand. I’d keep it below 2% for that though.

Here it is allegedly tying together a Jarritos Guava-style recipe by Wolfwheeler. I’m giving that recipe a TASK 19 - to get in my facehole!

Cantaloupe V2

I’m not getting any barf from it so it doesn’t seem to be that kind of V2. It doesn’t really taste like cantaloupe, though. It’s more like a bright, forward generically melon candy that might be called “cantaloupe” but doesn’t really taste like one. It’s distinctly melony without being a particular, distinct melon. If you told me it was supposed to be yellow watermelon - which is sweeter and mellower, with a bit of honeyish taste to the sweetness - I’d believe you that it was a candy version of that. Very sweet. A bit top heavy as far as the melon flavor goes, but a sweet, bland, somewhat dry base. Overall, it tastes fake, but maybe not necessarily in a bad way. I think it might be a really good flavor for the specific purpose of something like a melon fruit chew candy recipe. Not Hi-Chew, or one of the other Japanese ones, but more like the melon part of Starburst Mango Melon. Yeah, I’ve just used a whole bunch of words to basically say it tastes like the melon half of Starburst Mango Melon from the tropical pack. It looks like flavor hasn’t even been added to ATF. I might have missed it, but there doesn’t seem to be a public recipe using it on ELR, either. I’m not in the mood to be a pioneer with this thing. TRASH 15.

Caramel

I don’t really get this flavor as a caramel. It’s not unpleasant at all, but it tastes like maple syrup. Or maybe half caramel syrup (like the kind you’d add to a coffee drink) and half maple syrup? Use it to give a more sweet, syrupy body to a maple flavor it needs, such as FA Maple Syrup.

Maple Art by Fear. Perfect example of how to use this flavor. Why haven’t I tried this yet? TASK 20

FWIW, I have a secret recipe using the same combo of FA Maple Syrup and CAP Caramel, an NDA prevents me from sharing it with you, but it paid for the laptop I’m typing this on. If you love Maple Syrup and are frustrated with FA’s tasting right but being too thin, CAP Caramel is your friend. Although, if you have VT Golden Syrup, that might work just as well, if not better.

Caramel V2

Extremely weird. I get no caramel from it. It tastes like maple plus cherry, and I don’t get that plastic cherry off note from it, just a bizarre fruitiness that tastes more like cherry than any other fruit. It’s not really unpleasant, but just the fact that they call this caramel is baffling.

I told myself I wouldn’t TRASH 16 this if I found a recipe that uses it with cherry. Recipe not found.

Cereal 27

Ha. I’m not getting rid of this. It’s beyond a staple, it’s a super-staple.

By itself it just tastes like toasted cornflakes, and although there’s definitely quite a bit of other stuff in there, it mostly tastes like acetyl pyrazine but much more diluted than TFA 5% AP. It can go in just about anything. Very obviously cereals, but any kind of bakery, chocolate, creams, anything really except maybe beverages and fresh, bright fruits without heavy creams. It is kinda sweet, but not very, it sort of emulates the natural corny and a little malty sweetness of cereal.

I don’t know whether to mix one of my all-time favorite CAP Cereal 27 recipes or try a new one so I guess I’ll just have to do both.

Favorite: Toasted by Mr. Burgundy TASK 21

New: Manson and The Pebbles by the developed boys TASK 22

Although... I do have a question about that one because I’m too lazy to watch the video myself. The notes are all about how they set out trying to consolidate and use less flavors (they used 8) than an old recipe (it used 10) for the same profile. It seems to me that if they’d used WF Lemon Orange Rice Candy it would have gotten their count down to 7 flavors and been a perfect fit. Anyone know why they didn’t do that?

Chocolate Fudge Brownie V2

I’ve never even opened this, better mix some samples. TASK 23.

Chocolate Glazed Donut

Nails that waxy chocolate glaze that you get on a chocolate glazed donut. Some people say they get some of the same play doh flavor that’s in the regular glazed donut, I don’t really get play doh from this one. It’s a thick, cakey donut, not a fluffy yeast risen donut. There’s not much separation between the waxy chocolate glaze and the cakey donut so it's hard to tell whether it’s a chocolate-glazed chocolate cake donut or a regular cake donut with too much chocolate glaze. It’s a little dry, and a little chalky. Also rough on coils.

Waxy as hell aaaand gunks coils bad? TRASH 17

But, but... then you won’t be able to make Bronuts! And? It might be the best recipe that could possibly be made out of CAP Chocolate Glazed Donut, but it’s still a recipe made out of CAP Chocolate Glazed Donut.

That's all for today. I still have things mixed from Part 1 to taste. Will get those done (and more) and then pick back up at Capella Churro.

New Flavor Count: 2,935

Edit: Turns out I don't have CAP Chocolate Fudge Brownie, the unopened bottle I'll be opening and trying is CAP CFB V2.

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by isuamadogalmost 3 years agoRenaissance Mixer

the sad fact remains that you can describe a flavor so well, even one destined for the bin, that i want to try it. HS Watermelon was one of those buys. Who wouldn't want a rose candy? Yet, gotta read the fine print, there's a big difference between a flavor description and a thumbs up/is good rating. So thanks for the tip on CAP Caramel but I think that VT Golden syrup will have to be experimented with.

I literally used the last of my FA Cookie the other day and had to ask myself if i needed to buy more to replace it. I leaned into the yes, but you've given me the courage to either just use JF or to branch out for when I want that darker note that I can't get from JF or CAP SC. Both CAP Cantaloupe and FA Cookie are in u/Steve-TC's Melon Glazed Donut.

That strawberry marshmallow dip looks interesting indeed. I kind of find myself nostalgic for the days when people were really good at the standard flavors and found ways to incorporate one or two 'newer' ones into a recipe. It was like watching a modern day silk road when a single new flavor came to town. Nowadays I feel like we have gone the way of the internet making everything accessible and overwhelming all at once, trying to sort the good from the bad from the hype that has always plagued this hobby.

Thanks for doing these. I still learn from your thoughts, but am entertained most of all. Wishing you a long, arduous swan song, my friend!

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by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

For me, Melon-Glazed Donut was more of an experience I'm glad I had than a recipe I feel like I need to have in my life. Like, yep, that's a melon-glazed donut and as gross as that sounds to me, it's actually really good. What a time to be alive! I was a minute ago just thinking ahead to Part 4 and CAP Concord Grape with Stevia is coming up. Similar sentiments about Gruber Grape. Vaping Gruber was like seeing one of the eight wonders of the world. Super cool, but would I rather go back to the same wonder, or see a different one?

But if a melon-glazed donut is a wonder to which you wish to return from time to time, I'm sure JF Cookie will do just fine as a 1:1 sub.

We got too many new flavors too fast, it feels like. I'm too old. Can't keep up. And clearly, I have more than enough flavors as it is.

I'm glad you're enjoying these. It truly is shaping up to be a long song, these flavor houses are roughly alphabetized and I'm only in the C's of the C house after Part 3. It's easy enough to go through flavors and give myself tasks, actually doing them is another story. I'm so far behind. But the plan is to keep plugging away at it. This is just the first, least ruthless pass-through.

Maybe I'll keep going until there's only one flavor left. The God Flavor. And then me and whatever that flavor is can ride off into the sunset together.

2 points
 
by Fickle-Coffee7658almost 3 years ago

loved this review b/c i was just browsing capella flavors again. ty for all of your notes. turns out i need apple snacks. cereal 27 is my favorite but when i ordered it recently, i found the strength wasn't there.

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by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Apple Jacks was never my favorite cereal, not that I didn't enjoy it, but it I don't think it was even in the top 10. But if it was a cereal you loved, or a cereal loved by a vaper you love, then yes, you need Apple Snacks.

You think maybe you got a bottle of Cereal 27 that was old or not stored properly?

2 points
 
by Fickle-Coffee7658almost 3 years ago

oh, it def wasn't in my top either. it's funny you say that! but i def want a "hit" of the cereal that i'm not getting from cereal 27. is there something else you'd recommend in its place? i was thinking of the TFA berry crunch or CPA fruity circles flavors too.

my cereal 27 is a brand new purchase.

ETA: how did you store your collection?

3 points
 
by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

It's usually too much for me, but it sounds like you might be wanting some TFA Acetyl Pyrazine.

I keep everything in plastic bins on a metal shelf, in a room where the curtain's always closed. Each bin contains about 20 to 40 flavors.

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by rushinigirialmost 3 years ago

If I'm not wrong, FA Cookie doesn't have AP in it. I used to think so too but was corrected by someone over at the discord. Either way it responds well to the usual .5% Ap without resulting in an overload, which I can't say about something like Capella's Cereal 27...
(Thanks for the incredible write-up!)

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by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

I could very easily be wrong about FA Cookie having acetyl pyrazine in there, never seen the components list for it, but it has to have a good deal of one kind of pyrazine or another in there for it to taste like that. I don't know how many pyrazines there are, but most nut and some bakery flavors have combinations of them in there. Makes perfect sense for it to not be AP if you can add AP to it and not get AP overloaded like with Cereal 27.

I know AP overload all too well.

I'll get to it later, but my bottle of TFA AP is probably going in my trash. It seems to me that every single time I've tried mixing someone's recipe that uses it, it's been just a little too much. Like if they'd just used half as much, it would be perfect. Maybe my bottle of TFA AP 5% is really 10%, or something. Anyway if I want that acetyl pyrazine in there I'll probably just use something like 1% Cereal 27 per 0.25% TFA AP. It's more forgiving (and I have fat, stupid fingers) so an extra accidental drop or two isn't likely to go all nuts and corn chips on me when all I want is some crunch.

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by rushinigirialmost 3 years ago

That would make sense, it definitely has something in it that grew up with AP... And I get your difficulties with AP in general - I usually go C27 or ditch it if it's just used to boost nutty/bready notes, but there are cases like that Ice cream trinity + pistachio recipe where it magically flips the entire profile.

2 points
 
by rushinigirialmost 3 years ago

It also needs to steep! I used to only let it settle for a few hours when looking for the right amount, but to me it gets significantly less overpowering after like 3 days.

2 points
 
by JooseMakerWannabealmost 3 years ago

So, are you off to bigger and better things? I thought you were just cleaning out your overgrown flavor collection, and now I see isuma talking about swan songs! Say it ain't so!

1 points
 
by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

I don’t think I’m ever going to finish this

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by bigtidderalmost 3 years agoSalty Dog

Solid choices keeping the CAP Butter Cream and CAP Cantaloupe!!!

Loved these posts BTW. Keep 'em coming! Ones man's TRASH is another man's treasure!

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by ID10-Talmost 3 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

I’m not going to have any friends left when this is over because people get kinda touchy when you trash their treasures.

To those no longer speaking to me because I threw away FA Cookie, it’s ok. I still love you.

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by bigtidderalmost 3 years agoSalty Dog

If it makes you feel any better I only use FA Cookie in exactly 1 recipe that I mix occasionally. Blast from the past: https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/10633#milk_and_sugar_cookies_by_vurve

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