Hey all,
I'll be trying out a bunch of recipes on low power pod devices soon and from what I know, typically one should increase the flavour percentages in a recipe to make it suitable for a low power (~15w) pod device.
For example, a 1-2-3 recipe might need to be scaled up by 25% or something for use in a pod so you can still taste it, so 1-2-3 becomes 1.25%, 2.5% and 3.75%.
I presume it depends on the recipe and that possibly not all the flavours in one recipe would need scaling, but that would be on a recipe by recipe basis so let's put a pin in that for now.
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I'm wondering what the approximate amount I should scale up by. If a recipe is formulated for the average 50w RDA, would a 25% increase generally be enough to make it suitable for a low power/pod device? Or 15% increase? 35%? Curious what the community thinks is a suitable target for testing.
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I am mixing 50/50 PG/VG for these pods, should i skew that ratio for higher PG to help carry flavour more? Presumably it would also help the performance of the coil by aiding the wicking process...
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Im curious if the community be interested in a simple tool of my creation that takes any given recipe and scales up each flavour percentage by the factor of your choosing? You just input your scale-up factor in percent, the original recipe percentages and done.
I would include scale factor recommendations sourced from this thread other sources within the community
e.g. original recipe is for 50w single coil rda
Converting to 18w pod device
Recommended scale factor is 25%
Tool could even work the other way, scaling down a recipe designed for low power devices for use in a higher wattage device...
All thoughts, input, criticism etc welcome :)
I used to mix for a low powered pod device and i never scaled up whole recipes. I found that the best recipes were the ones developed for a low watt device intentionally. I suggest searching atf for "Pod" and flipping through those first. I look for recipes that keep it simple and don't try to do too much.
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With a few of those under your belt, making something suitable to your own tastes is fairly easy since you will have some idea of what flavors you like and what percent they works well at.
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I think pod users are better off scaling down expectations than scaling up percentage of flavor or pg. Not that you shouldn't try it, just that you get more bang for your buck if you accept that pods will never deliver as much flavor even compared to mediocre MTL devices.
Ah that makes more sense to me, I'll scout pod specific stuff in that case and work from there
Testing recipes. I learned from unappreciatedrobot’s banana pod recipe that banana can work in a pod.
Hexical’s recipes that I can use alpine sb for a clear taste and that I still don’t like kiwi flavors much. I adapted one of his to make a recipe.
ChemicalBurnVictim scaled his own recipe of Brigade to make Brigade for pod.
Through my own tests I’ve learned:
Coffee flavors that suck high powered may taste great at low watts. (10-20W).
Single flavor profiles are more successful and also boring (think Pear of Aces by EdibleMalfunction on atf).
Strong flavors can work better (think peppermint) sometimes to just deliver flavor.
Creama/custards not too great.
Simplest recipes that work, work best.
We don't generally recommend "scaling up" or "scaling down," the recipe was written as intended and it's rarely as simple as multiplying flavor %s by a coefficient.
good idea although going forward but would be most helpful if people always explained the intended devices for the 100,000 recipes out there already. I find most older recipes work well in my high power sub ohm tank but newer recipes not so much. i tried pods for awhile and wasn’t happy with any recipes I tried so I went back sub ohm high wattage.
Simple straight forward recipies,not too many layers 12% is an average recipe in most cases.I found 16-18% better for 12w pod systems Unless its strong super concentrates or strong flavors in general like mint menthols don't need much tweaking or strong tropical citric fruits like blood orange,coffee,tobacco,passion fruit,grapefruit,candied fruits.. Sweetners I generally go with 1-1.5% Ice also helps @.75%
"what" is just as important as "how much". Pods deliver top-notes pretty good so something sweet and bright might work at the same %s. Textures and deeper flavors require more vapor volume to really leave an impression. So if I were to adapt a strawberries & cream recipe for pods I would probably boost the cream more than I would the strawberries (or replace it altogether - I might prefer something with a clear flavor like vienna cream over something that's mostly texture, say sweet cream).
interesting, and by sweet cream thats mostly texture do you mean CAP or FLV?