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A new proposed nicotine tax!
submitted almost 4 years ago by iowajosh

Please head to CASAA and it is easy to tell your state reps what you think of that!

It is a large tax snuck into the "build back better". Something around $2700 on a liter of 100mg. Synthetic also. They removed the other tobacco tax from the bill. This one doesn't tax cigarettes at all.

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https://casaa.org/call-to-action/stop-an-excessive-federal-tax-on-safer-nicotine-products/

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16 points
 
by Desertnurse760almost 4 years ago

Here is the letter that I penned to my Congressman:

I am writing to in opposition to H.R.5376 - Build Back Better Act, as it applies to a proposed tax on extracted and synthetic nicotine products. As a physician, you are keenly aware of the damage to society that cigarette smoking has caused. As a physician you should also be aware of the many hundreds of thousands of Californians, myself included, who have kicked the cigarette habit by switching to vaping and vaporized nicotine products. While nothing is 100% safe, I hope that you would agree that vaping represents a fundamental shift away from inhaling burning leaves in order to consume nicotine, a substance that, in small quantities, has proven to be essentially benign to adult users, hence its approval in a variety of foodstuffs, medications, and cosmetics. Raising the tax on nicotine products that are not combustible i.e. cigarettes, cigars, and pipe tobacco, is unjust, as vaping nicotine will help save countless of American lives.

On a personal note, I was a pack a day smoker for 20 years. My mother died of lung cancer at age 49 due to smoking. In 2011 I decided to try vaping as I knew the danger inherent in cigarette smoking. I started out vaping 24mg nicotine liquid. Through the years I have weaned myself down to 1.5mg of nicotine. The truth is that I am an adult, and I enjoy vaping. Exorbitant taxing of vaping nicotine will not prevent under age use as they will simply return to smoking cigarettes. Any clear minded adult can see that for themselves, and I hope that that includes you, Dr. Ruiz. Please vote no on H.R. 5376 unless, and until, the proposed increased taxation of non-cigarette nicotine is removed from the bill.

5 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

Yeah I tried. I got form letter responses from my Wyoming state reps and senators and they devoted ONE sentence to that and spent the rest of the letter bitching and whining about everything else instead.

5 points
 
by InternetIdentity2021almost 4 years ago

The absolute snakes, can't say I'm surprised.

2 points
 
by Mr_Magoo_88almost 4 years ago

Does this honestly surprise you tho? There all snakes and ONLY care about making 💰💵. Govt fu¢kin at it's finest lol

5 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 4 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Sending letters, emails or doing petitions won't stop anything. It's a waste of time

4 points
 
by RyanLedford90almost 4 years ago

I think its atrocious they're trying to sneak that into the funding bill, but politicians are going to act like politicians. Assuming like me you go through about 240 mils of juice a month It's a roughly $19.60 increase in cost per month.

This means DIY would no longer be cheaper than buying Juice. At least for me since I usually get cheapy juice off Bulk sites when I buy juice. However, considering we can't get those mailed to us anymore and most shops will charge double the online prices.....

Personally, as much as I hate this if it means that Nicotine is still available to buy and get a hold of it would be a small price to pay compared to having to get shitty juice with 150% markups from B&Ms that's if there will be any juice available in the next year or two form B&Ms. Either way this tax sucks and its like having to choose between a shit sandwich and shit sandwich.

Also before anyone says anything I know there are other things in play that would stop regular consumers from being able to buy Nicotine this whole situation sucks.

1 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

>This means DIY would no longer be cheaper than buying Juice

That tax applies to premade juice too so that would go up as well. DIY would still be cheaper. Regardless I purchased 1 liter of 100mg/ml base in PG and have it bottled in 2oz amber glass bottles hit with argon, capped and in the freezer.

1 points
 
by ganjy365almost 4 years ago

I've got 7 2oz glass bottles filled with 100mgml pg nic base but didn't know to put argon in it. Will they be ok in the freezer for 8 months?

1 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

What you do is divide it into 2-3 month supplies. I have it divided into 2 oz amber glass bottles leaving about half an inch at the top and hit it with this to displace the oxygen. Then cap tightly and pop in the freezer. My working bottle I keep out in the cabinet with my other supplies.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000DCS18

4 points
 
by [deleted]almost 4 years ago

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by leftovernoisealmost 4 years ago

This is a bipartisan effort to get rid of vaping. All of this started years ago. Neither side of the isle is doing anything. Big tobacco is paying off literally all of them.

1 points
 
by ninedimensionsalmost 4 years ago

I know lol don't worry I hate them all equally 😂

1 points
 
by leftovernoisealmost 4 years ago

It's one of the few things both sides agree on. Fuck over vapers to keep getting tobacco money

1 points
 
by AlaskaPeteMeatalmost 4 years ago

aisle

3 points
 
by iowajoshalmost 4 years ago

I believe this add on to the giant bill was brought forward by someone in Arizona.

Here is the tax breakdown. https://www.atr.org/what-democrat-vape-tax-increase-will-actually-mean-vapers?amp

1 points
 
by iowajoshalmost 4 years ago

>Ah, found the source. https://twitter.com/gopaulblair/status/1455971225222660102?s=20

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by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

Kentucky, figures. Tobacco country.

Kentucky currently has the highest taxes on disposables, $1.50 each for closed, non refillable systems, plus a 15% tax on vape juice, coils, and devices.

1 points
 
by iowajoshalmost 4 years ago

I honestly believe the bl00mberg lawyers are just handing them to reps to put forward. If it doesn't all come from one person, it seems more authentic?

-6 points
 
by KevyKevTPAalmost 4 years ago

It's a good damn thing the D's lost Virginia, and with it, the chances of BBB passing have gone to pretty much zero. Aside from that, however, I wonder how many of the 535 Members even know these 2 pages out of 5,000 exist?

And finally, do we know, or is there any way to find out which individual Member of Congress inserted this language, hidden like a snake in the leaves of this 5,000 page bill (which by itself is why if I was in Congress, any 5,000 page bills to hit my desk would be DOA, even if I THINK it's full of my own pet projects.)? I'd bet it's the same motherfucker who did the same with the PACT act hidden in a 5,000 page Covid bill.

14 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

Utah: Conservative, e-cig tax on all vaping products 56% of wholesale.
Wyoming: Conservative, e-cig tax 15% of wholesale.

Ayes: BARLOW, BLAKE, BROWN, BURKHART, BURLINGAME, CLAUSEN, CLEM, CLIFFORD, CONNOLLY, CRANK, DAYTON-SELMAN, EKLUND, EYRE, FLITNER, FREEMAN, FURPHY, HALEY, HALLINAN, HENDERSON, KINNER, HARSHMAN, KIRKBRIDE, LARSEN LLOYD, LOUCKS, MACGUIRE, NEWSOME, NORTHRUP, OBERMUELLER, PAXTON, PELKEY, POWNALL, ROSCOE, SCHWARTZ, SIMPSON, STITH, SWEENEY, WALTERS, WILSON, WINTER, YIN, ZWONITZER

Nays: DUNCAN, EDWARDS, GRAY, HUNT, JENNINGS, LAURSEN DAN, LINDHOLM, MILLER, OLSEN, PIIPARINEN, SALAZAR, SOMMERS, STYVAR, TASS, WASHUT, WESTERN

All conservatives here in Wyoming. This isn't a Democrat or a Republican thing it's a bullshit "populist" thing because the majority of people in the country/state don't vape so it doesn't affect them. Pisses me off but at least I have a firm quite date of December 31st 2023 and enough supplies, including nic base, to last longer just in case.

2 points
 
by bucko_fazooalmost 4 years ago

I find it very interesting that the chuds who'd otherwise tell you how bad "both sides" are will constantly come in here and act like it's only the Dems doing this shit

1 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

Exactly, they are BOTH hitting us hard on this. Or they call Republicans doing this "RINOs." Very few of those in Wyoming.

1 points
 
by WoodChuckersalmost 4 years ago

VT has a 92% excise on any vaping product.

1 points
 
by WyomingCountryBoyalmost 4 years ago

Ok? And? Easier to cross the state line to grab something because it's a small state compared to us. I mean even if you live in the middle of Vermont if you drive east or west for 45 minutes you're in the next state. If I wasn't already set for the next few years I'd have to drive 3 hours to get to the nearest out of state vape shop.

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