I'm not gonna talk bullshit about how retail juices use lots of sweetener and blah blah. No it is not the sweetener or extra high flavor percentages.
UNSUBJECTIVE PART: if a juice manufacturers really want that specific concentrate or recipe "THAT MUCH" (if it's off noted at the needed percantage or if it's off in anyways) they add smootheners. For example Naked Lava Flow doesn't have any smootheners (at least to my taste buds) eg: FA AAA Magic Mask. (No more than %1. start @ 0.1%) MTS Vape Wizard (%0.7 Max? Start @%0.1) ↑↑↑ These things immediately remove bad aftertaste.
Some lab formulated juices use specific singular flavor chems (like gamma lactolone, octalone, triethyl citrate) to build a recipe like these (warning: it's an hard thing and takes lots of time i don't suggest that much) Gamma lactone or different lactones (check if they are ok to vape before mixing) on some creamy juices were spotted.
Sweetener is a must most of the times to tame/mute harsh notes. you don't need more than CAP SS @1 adjust to taste. If you only want a oomph on flavors 0.15-0.40 is enough.
Picking bold flavors to start and keeping it commercial. This makes the juice premium. ↓ 3 different guavas???, nah ditch them and use %6 CAP Sweet Guava. This is the truth of the commercial juices, if you like that type of taste (like i do).
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First Step; Layers. Your juice should have 2 or 3 parts.
Middle Part: The noticable part that contains main characteristics of the mix.
Top Part: whispy, airy, perfumy, thin part of the mix (depending on the context)
Bottom Part: Sweetness, deep parts (like tobacco's body or smelly iconic notes of the blueberry or mangos pungent deep smell) or sweetness (it can be integrted to specific concentrates or externally added)
You should balance your mixes.
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Second Step: Flavors and their parts.
For example a flavor like TFA GRAPE JUICE is thin and perfumy and you can't use that flavor as a main base note perfectly. It can only be the cherry on top of the cream, not the cream itself!
But for example CAP SWEET GUAVA is an full spectrum bodied flavor and a perfect base to start building.
If the flavor doesnt make you say "*woah!*" by itself OMIT IT. Dont even bother trying to make that flavor "THE STAR" of the mix. If you really like some part of it however, try to use it in along other FULL ingridients.
Horrible example:
TFA GRAPE JUICE %9 (thin)
TFA APPLE TART GRANNY SMITH %5 (thin and sharp)
Good example:
TFA GRAPE JUICE 5% (thin)
CAP DOUBLE APPLE (bold and full)
You should read Flavor Reviews.
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Third Step: Enhancers.
SUBJECTIVE PART; this is part of the guide to get 2015-2017 style premade juice taste and lots of it is not directly applicable to newer flavor Concentrates and newer recipes:
- flavors that contain lots of diketones(for creams and bakery) or specific flavoring chems (inw kaktus, dragonfruit etc) will result in a crazy uncomparable mouthfeel and FULLNESS.* commercials tend to find these specific ones to use. (eg: TFA bav cream, TFA vanilla custard v1, marhsmallow,)
Retail juices may sometimes use these two even if its out of context.
%1-3 of Bav. cream, you will get creamy mouthfeel like crazy.
%2-3 of Van. custard tpa, you will get an brighter sharper creamy mouthfeel.
if you overpower Vanilla Custard it *can* take the recipe out of its context, so be careful.
- TFA Marshmallow at %1-5: Replicates the softness of a marshmallow or chewy creamy stuff. (unlike bav cream tpa use it with caution and in context. -e.g. dont use it on fruits just to make them softe)
- That extra **crunchy** type of nutty flavor in premium juices are the results of AP (acetyl pyrazine) so go Google it.
and this is the flavoring that every modern commercial fruity juice got:
- INW Kaktus at %0.15-0.75
- or if you hate that Aloe Vera type ethereal taste use TFA dragon fruit instead or Cap cucumber at 0.5 or lower
Gives that juicy / fruit flesh type of feeling *NEVER* **ever** goes wrong in *ANY* fruit recipe IMO if its 0.3 or lower.
still can get out of context in crazy percentages like %1-1.5 so use it carefully.
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Some newer juices use FA Meringue for that Cereal Milk type of feel %0.5 or lower is enough.
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Fourth Step: Sweetener
use cap ss for for that new e juice type of taste (full commercial boost with preservative and slight enchancer additives)
use fw sweetener for 2017 type juices (pure sucralose)
TPA sweetener (sucralose with maltol) gives your juice a really bad Sweetness (in a different way due to the maltol i think) it feels like vaping on really old juices from 2013 meant to be vaped with an ego on modern fused clapton setups.
it differs cap ss contains citric acid which brightens (actually just fills) the top end. makes fruits fresh and shiny. (fastens the steep time for me too lol idk why)
if you like it overly sweet use cap SS at @ 2-3% but it doesn't give you an adv that way
but imo if you are not trying to replicate the sweetnessicty (wtf) of THE ONE FUNNEL CAKE :puke:
%0.2-0.8 is enough
note: fuller flavors and better recipes actually taste just sweet enough without any sweetener added.
but i always think adding 0.2-0.5% is an must if you really want the ooomph.
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Final Step:
Not making overly-complex recipes
fuller flavors actually taste complex enough so no need to complex it.
but if you want to boost a specific elements detail or if you dont have an fully done single flavor,
you can layer it so it has more detail and complexity.
like this;
TPA Blueberry (extra) %4 (darker deeper parts)
TPA Blueberry Candy %2 (brighter sweeter thinner parts) or FW Blueberry
CAP Blueberry %0.5 (weird thin floral by itself but in here it helps this fruit group to have an extraordinary and unique taste.)
or you can do the same for caramels etc anything.
This layering was an example i didnt tested cap blueberry so i do not guarentee the taste of it however you did probably get the main idea of layering.
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Extra Tip:
Steeping is underrated even for fruity or minty juices let thet juices sit at least a week and see the magic. Most of the commercials steep while they wait on factory and while they get shipped.
Mix PG and flavors first give it a shake while the cap is off to kinda get rid of the nasty volatiles from chemical reactions that occur in the first mixing proccess. Then add VG/Nic/Water whatever your deal is. steep them at least >!"X" days!< after that pop the tip of the bottle and slighly blow air inside to get rid of the volatiles inside do not let them breathe more than 1-2 minutes it oxidates your nic and weakens your flavors.
>!X days eg;!<
⚠️ subjective as hell;;; Creams 5-15 days depending on how much is on the mix and how deep and rich it tastes. (CAP Vanilla Custard is 10 days for example even 15)
Real defined specific tobaccos (not Ry4 like tobacco-likes) 2-4 weeks.
NET Tobaccos 1months at least
or any Fruity mix needs 3 days to actually taste right, bodied and clean.
check: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/pidu9e/guide_make_your_juice_taste_premium_mouthfeel_tips/hbrx0k6?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3 for example recipes
Everyone's different, highly doubt all the commercial fruit flavors are using inawera puketus. Can't stand that shit, tastes like aloe at any %. Might work for some but it's pure garbage imo so has no place in my juice. And I'm talking at .08 to .12%, it's just nappy.
or dragonfruit by tpa does the same
interesting article! Will try later...
question: If I only care for fruity mix do I still need TFA Bavarian Cream/TPA Vanilla Custard beside INW Cactus?
I read somewhere about INW Cactus and TFA Dragon Fruit make fruit flavors pop. Does TFA Dragon Fruit have the same effect as INW Cactus? Can you make a comparison just like you did on TFA Bavarian Cream Vs TPA Vanilla Custard?
Thanks in advance!
No..if u like fruit creams than yes there's tons of diff cream types but just fruit or fruit mashups I add a drop or two of Ws23 ice..not to ice it out but it acts as an enhancer with just couple drops n fruit really pops from ices in small amounts.I use it in all Fruit creams, fruit mixes, fruit iced fruit desserts, custards, candies, gum, lemonades..i usually plop 2 drops of ws23 to pop those fruits out front and 1% -05% cap super sweet depending of coarse lol
TFA dragon fruit @5% inw kaktus @0.75%
these are their peaks for the juicy effect going more doesn't do nothing really dramatic and dragon fruit on max (%5) is close to kaktus. and also unlike kaktus it doesn't give that much artifacts
it (TFA dragon fruit) adds airy mushy/fleshy fruity taste with a middle part of the fruit type of flesh
while kaktus adds a sharper fruity taste with a bit musky (not like animal musk for sure) undertone.
so if you don't like that tropic/ethereal taste that much don't even try kaktus flavor you will not like the artifacts that it adds when used as a additive nor as a flavor either
Yes in fact I do that with Sweet Guava too..ill add .05% and gives it a nice neutral middle with an almost musky punky wet effect..i found it goes with tons of fruits much like dragon fruit does at very low percentages.One of my Favs is Watermelon guava iced and Strawberry Watermelon guava medly (Guava at a bit higher obviously when not using as an enhancer like 2%)
Nah..you actually don't need any creams or pears or cactus..its really just preference.Cactus helps give a bit of wet juiciness tho my fruit medleys or even straight 1 fruit stack are rarely dry...ive needed those additives in other recipes but not so much my fruits.I drop 2-3 drops ws-23 n it brightens them up n pushes them out front 👍 good enough n quite flavorful
Can confirm that Kaktus and Super Sweet are the fruity vape equivalent of MSG.
Alone at 2.5% it tastes a little floral and "aloe" like, but the juiciness is undeniable. I've been vaping this:
INW Kaktus 2.5%
CAP Super Sweet 1% (way too much, i overpoured in the mix, probably better at 0.5%),
WS-23 3%.
out of a Caliburn G and while the taste is lacking (its a bit medicinal and thin, missing a base note), the WS23+Kaktus mouthfeel is amazing
Jeez!!! Where was this post when I first started mixing 7 years ago? Thanks a heap!!!
Don't put too must trust in this post. A lot of it isn't correct.
All but what i said 😂 you can use Kactus,Dragon fruit,Pear and guava all as just "wet middle" enhancers instead of the main star in a ton of fruit recipes
Nice write up. I’m on edge with TFA Vanilla Custard though. It’s got to be the worst custard aside from that lemony FA Custard. But I have found hope for that atrocious TFA Vanilla Custard in Banana Custard ala Mindfloodz
if you want a real custard use cap custard or inw custard
if you about that custard crank the custard
https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/100101#killa_kustard_remix_v1_by_enyawreklaw
TFA one is not a custard nothing like custard it's a vanilla and cream enhancer. But your favorite vanilla along Bavarian cream tpa does 3x better.
Hey, TFA Custard is in your third step, lol.
thx for the link but I would rather Yellow matter custard dripping from a dead dog's eye
Agreed and I find people tryna get layers from salt nic which u can do but not for eciggs n low watt devices like novos pod systems n caliburns etc.I do get layers and make much better layers with my Rtas and mods but with low mg salt nic .I use 10 mg salt at 70/30 and make it like any other delicate recipes.My Doom X mesh tank gives me individual layers ..like I can taste each concentrate I used.The profile m and kylin m ,Zues etc not so much but as far as mesh the DoomX is just a better built tank with bottom airflow etc.Ive been extremely happy making up my own recipes and never copied , cloned or used a one shot since I began mixing 2 and half yrs ago..id rather feel the gratification of coming up with my own freestyle mixes n creations.You just gotta know percentages and which concentrates are the best ones.Some Bragg they have 600 concentrates..i have about 150 but I threw away nearly 30 from not researching or watching other mixers thoughts on youtube mixing channels.Most people are scared to make their own recipes n just copy already made ones but I prefer not to buy my concentrates that way..theres always one or two u don't have lol.Sometimes I take my time and sometimes im in n out of the mixing room in 5 min if I just throw together something simple like fruit smashups or fruit creams or ices etc
i guess you misunderstood. that layering on the guide was to boost and accentuate a certain element on the mix. not to get inhale exhale layers and harmony.
pod recipes are good when you find a good bold flavor (like cap lemon meringue pie) and crank that beyond it's max (in this case 9-11%) then add nuances to it.
like this; pod version: Cap LMPie >10% Cap Juicy lemon>1% cap ss sweetener>0.4%
standart version: cap LMPie >6% cap Juicy Lemon> 2% cap ss sweetenr> 0.5% TFA graham cracker> 1.5% tpa acetyl pyrazine >0.5%
or this; pod version: cap apple pie: 9% cap double apple: 3% fw vanilla bean ice cream: 1.5% fw sweetener: 0.6%
standart version: cap apple pie: 7% cap double apple: 2% fw vanilla bean ice cream: 1% fw sweetener: 0.5
as you can see on the pod version of the first recipe it still has layering single lemon concentrate layered with the lemon in the main flavor (LMPie)
I get it..i didn't misinterpret the post..i was only saying its much harder to get layered flavors with 5-6 concentrates from a little pod system.They tend to be much simpler straight forward juices in juuls,disposeables,puff bars and pod systems are just a minimal step above those as their also very low Watts n more for nic delivery and why I couldn't find an all day vape off the shelf until I got a pod mod n finally a mod and tank.So if I DIY for a Caliburn g or smok novo 3 im only making it with just so many concentrates cause I'm not gonna get the seperation of multiple flavorings but i can tweak the concentrates more suited to pod systems their just gonna be simpler recipes.But when I'm making for higher Watts and better epuipt tanks or Rdas meant for optimal flavor, im going to be able to make much more intricate recipies where I will pick up on all the notes due to more heat,dense vapor and top notch coils or even SS mesh .I get what your saying too..maybe I didn't understand exactly what the post was saying ? Hope what I described also makes sense even if im off topic lol 😁But yes u can tweak n squeeze some layers for pod devices with optimizing your mix for low watt systems( not necessarily high salt nic but lower watt non flavor banger type gear)
After reading again i did misunderstand what your post was saying.I make Mint menthol only for my gfs pod cause its not only what she likes but also just works better for her device.Tobaccos,some desserts , fruit ices n fruit creams etc ( tho I never get a ton of the cream mouth feel but the vanilla I do)but her pod device is limited to some extent of my more stacked recipies if u know what I mean but i totally get what u meant about the lemon meringue with ws23 and caps apple pie by adding extra apple and some vanilla ice cream.Thats how I theorize my mixes too 👍