Hi. New here.
I have been using ready made liquids, But I'd rather mix my own Juice.
Akming for 50/50 vg/pg about 12 to 13 mg nicotine (freebase) . I also want to add some flavour.
And then i'm stuck. Every single calculator seems to want more raw data, and I kind of dont know what to add.. And then I go and buy the ready made stuff.
Help me understand the calculator (seems i'm not bad st math, But bad at chemistry).
And i'm sorry if this thread seems trivial.
Hello and welcome!
Firstly, the New Mixer's Thread was my best friend for the first year I was mixing. Feel free to post anything you want to ask in there no matter how trivial it seems. We ALL started somewhere.
To answer your question, on alltheflavors.com, you make an account, input the flavors and percents, click 'mix' and it tells you how much to add of everything **by weight**. You should probably have supplies. I recommend reading this Beginner's Guide to answer all the questions you didnt know you had. If you use discord, we have an associated discord where you can always get real time advice in a more conversational (and immediate) format. There's lots of great channels and tons of great advice.
Also, is it true we are supposed to keep the flavor under 10%? That seems random, and makes me think I’ve been doing it wrong.
As always it depends on the flavor. I vape mtl and DTL and only notice a significant difference in flavor based on wattage, not pg/vg ratio nor total percentages. Ime pods are a bit of a different story but I find simplicity in the recipe is a desireable factor for a more likable mix than overall percentage numbers. More isn’t always better. Simpler, overall seems better to me.
Each flavor has its own max threshold. Flavor percentage is flavor and recipe specific. Some flavors can only be used at a max of .25% and others can be pushed to 8-10%. I find better results in mixing similar flavors to achieve a result, like 2-3 strawberries vs pushing 1 strawberry super high. That said, you'll find recipes down around 5% flavor and all the way up to 20% flavor and both will pack an equal punch depending on which flavor concentrates are used.
I'd say the 10% is merely a suggestion. Nic salts tend to use more flavor. I know my go to place I won't be getting from anymore does 10% but I always had them add an extra 35% so I was getting 13.5% and am happy with it. When it comes to others recipes though I will be sticking to their numbers and if I need more flavor, carefully increasing it.
Thank you!! I only thought I’d never made a recipe based on final flavor %. It seems like trying to force a square peg in a round hole. An unnecessary restriction. Like cap sugar cookie or silverline fruit circles and apple snacks would bring that close by itself.
Hijacking top comment to thank again for all the Help.
It's time to order supplies =)
I got my math
And Even the flavour percentage from you. Cheers.
Edit: can you suggest me some nice flavours that arent overly sweet. For example I've gotten quite fond of cactus., something similar, But more rich?
Which calculator?
Which raw data do you not have/can't find?
this for example.
I need mg-a yet it giveth percentage.
I know i'm stupid somewhere in the process. But I can't figure out where.
Thank you all very much. Now I need to go shopping. Finally figured it out.
That beginners guide is helpfull =)
fixed the link in my post, in case we aren't talking about the same Beginner's Guide.
SORRY this is so long/ just trying to help a newbie.
I use the ATF calculator. I also use the recipes of others' to guide me in creation of a new recipe- for instance, I'll take a recipe for Orange Cream Soda and adapt it to Raspberry as the main flavor. Or, if I don't have the brand of flavoring, I'll try it with one I have and adjust the recommended % up or down. Sometimes it's critical to use exact brand flavors to get the exact juice profile, but different ones can give a different but tasty juice.
Most recipes you find are posted by percentages of flavorings. The calculators will convert % into weight in grams, volume and drops (not a great measurement). The most accurate way to measure is weight to 0.01 grams. I use a beaker-type wide-mouth tube to measure into and a mini-funnel (used for essential oils) to transfer to 30 ml. bottles. I label each with colored masking tape- name of juice, date made, recommended steep time and nic %.
The calculator will ask the % nic (ie: 36mg/ml or 100mg/ml) and the base of your nic juice (PG or VG). It will ask how much volume you want to make in total and what % pg/vg you want the finished product to be. Then when you enter the flavors (which are usually suspended in pg) by %, it calculates the weight/volume of each flavor and the volume & weight of base materials to add to your creation to achieve the results you've entered. Just for reference, a typical concentrated flavor weighs 1.09 gms per ml, pg weighs 1.04 gms per ml. and vg weighs 1.26 per ml. You don't have to be super-precise, though. I just use 1.04 & 1.26 and count the flavor as a pg and the nic as a vg since mine is in vg.
you're going to need VG, PG, liquid nicotine (either PG or VG based) and flavoring. you should keep your flavors at a maximum of 10% of the total volume.
this is what my 120 ml calculator looks like for a 3mg juice
Nic 7.5ml(7.8g)
PG 40.5ml (42.12g)
VG 60ml (75.6g)
Flavor 1 6ml (6.24g)
Flavor 2 6ml (6.24g)