Custard King on elr is a very good tobacco vape. Doesn’t necessarily taste like tobacco, but it’s delicious. Smells fantastic too.

If you want a "horrible" generic tobacco try TFA Red Type Blend at 6% solo. It's dirty, earthy, woody and smoky. I've never been able to find anything that goes with it (except maybe other woods or FA Zen Garden but I haven't tried a combo).

Needs around 2-3 weeks to steep. Wouldn't recommend direct lung for that, definitely MTL only. It's the closest thing to a cigarette I've vaped.

Edit: coffee, beer and whisky go with it but not in vape form haha. It's a good choice to replicate that morning smoke with a cup of coffee for breakfast feeling, or a smoke at the local pub/bar.

RY4 isn't tobacco. It has some elements that would be sort of familiar to a smoker, a sort of smokiness if you will, but that's just a confluence of the nutty element and uncreamy vanilla. That touch of smokiness without any actual tobacco flavour is what makes it a great transition flavour for converting smokers, and why it was the most popular flavour by far for so many years.

Do you like the CAP Butter better? How high do you push it?

I don't have that one yet. I like the TFA one because it's literally just DAAP with nothing else but I'll have to try Golden Butter at some point.

I'm going to let the rest of the bottle steep for a week before I taste it again. May end up lowering the RY4 to balance it if it becomes too prominent.

I've got CAP Golden Butter in my cart, just wanted to ask do you think this is just one of acetoin or AP on its own vs TFA Butter which contains both?

Looking forward to trying it.

It does taste quite similar to me yeah.

Also TFA Vanilla Custard tastes like the flavouring used by Starbucks in their vanilla lattes/syrup.

I had a commercial juice a few weeks ago that tastes like a McDonald's strawberry milkshake so I'm wondering which one that is haha.

I actually have a recipe that tastes pretty much spot on for a Werthers Original, needs a 2 week steep.

Flavour|Amount :--|:-- FA Caramel|2% FLV Milk and Honey|1% TPA Sweet Cream|2.5% FLV White Chocolate|1% CAP Super Sweet|1.5%

The main problem with it is because of the caramel and the high sweetener it absolutely ruins coils. Cotton turns from white to black in a matter of hours.

It develops a lot as it steeps, with the flavour changing most days until around 13-14 days in.

This one is REALLY thick in terms of flavour and lingers in the mouth for ages.

If you want Werthers Original as a full recipe this is it. If you want it as a note in another recipe I'd go for FA Custard Premium or the Rapid Custard (but no idea how RC is going to age yet).

Edit: it's sickly sweet btw, you might want to mix it without the super sweet and add to taste haha.