I'm looking to get that almost crispy, deep fried dough flavour (think carnival doughnuts).
I have WF Deep Fried Pastry Dough SC which is great at about 2% to add a hint of the flavour I'm looking for, but it's more of a top note that would bend another dough into shape AFAICT. I've only had it in a recipe steeping for just over two weeks so maybe it just needs longer... But then I've seen recipes on ATF using it with recommended steeps < 5 days.
I can't use FA Zeppola, instant asthma attack when I vape it and I don't see the appeal of it in terms of flavour even though it seems to be popular.
I've tried FLV Fried Dough at the very low recommended percentages (0.2%) and it doesn't really seem usable. Maybe it needs help?
I'm thinking about combining WF Crepe SC (haven't tried it yet) with WF DFPD or maybe even CAP Cereal 27 at a low percentage just as a boost.
Interested to hear how others have tackled this one. Maybe even TFA Banana Nut Bread in a lower percentage could work...
I really like HIC's Old Fashioned Doughnut recipe. I haven't found a standalone flavor yet with a similar profile. It covers pretty good the deep fried douhg flavor in my opinion. I prefer it without the nutmeg though.
1.25% FA Joy
1% FA Catalan Cream
1% FA Cookie
1% FA Vanilla Classic
1% FA Vienna Cream
1% TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust
0.5% FA Caramel
0.5% FA Walnut
0.2% TFA Holiday Spice
The creams, Cookie, Joy, Vanilla, and Cheesecake combine to create the slightly-tangy cake-like interior of sour-cream or buttermilk doughnuts. The key is the sharp notes from Catalan Cream, plus sweet creaminess from Vienna Cream, plus tangy richness from Cheesecake Graham Crust. Caramel and the graham from Cheesecake Graham Crust contribute to the darker-fried outside of the doughnut. Walnut emphasizes the fried-pastry part of Joy.
The Walnut is an interesting one, I was actually thinking about TFA Peanut Butter too. Trying to avoid too much vanilla/cream but the FA Cookie could add a bit of depth so I'll keep that in mind. Maybe try a little RY4 instead of the FA Caramel for the caramel/dark note just because FA Caramel is a real gunker (my god it's good though haha).
I haven't tried Joy but from what I read it sounded more like a powdered sugar similar to CAP Glazed Doughnut but I guess there's more too it, I'll have to grab a bottle.
I agree with a lot of the issues you mentioned, i have asthma too but fa joy is definitely donut grease lol i use it vary sparingly, but it definitely hits the mark for making a donut flavour, i make apple fritter with it, returnity’s cinapple fritter I dont add the rich cinnamon, made gallons of this Link to original recipe - http://tjek.nu/r/1ZqA
Sucks that INW Waffle is extinct because it tastes EXACTLY like what you describe. Maybe someone here still has some lurking around? It doesn't take much (think Rich Cinnamon) to take over a recipe.
Wish they would start making it again.
Is that Wunder waffle, or something else?
Something else. If I had to describe it it would be - that crisp, fried, slightly oily (in a good way) waffle taste. It's such a unique flavor profile that I've never seen anyone even have a CLOSE example. It really was an amazing flavor for the texture we're after often when mixing up a waffle type, or fried type of mix.
Try SSA Crisp Waffle. Or something else like CNV Donut or VT Croissant for flaky/fluffy aspect. I've had good luck with certain cereal flavors in this kind of profile too. As other mentioned CAP Cereal 27. I also like WF Puff Cereal (Frosted). FW Waffle Cone for oily, crunchy. I've even used FA Joy and FA Wow although neither impressed me like I thought they should have lol. FA Wow does exactly what it's supposed to do though. Gives the mix that cooked cooking oil, greasy feel...use sparingly.
Edit: I realize VT Croissant isn't fried dough at all, but I've used it to add a nice twist to fried dough.
Funny you mentioned CNV Donut, I'd been considering trying it. CNV are underrated imho, their vanilla ice cream is great for adding body to custards for instance and seems to play well with fruits without much effort for fruity ice creams where others would taste sickly. Just don't use it above 4-5% or it tastes like curdled milk after steeping lol (even that might be too high).
I'm going to give Cereal 27 a try, maybe the WF corn flake flavour too (can't remember what it's called). I'll add the others you suggested to my shopping/wish list.
Decided to try a very minimal combo first, 3.5% TFA RY4 double, 1% TFA Vanillin and 1% TFA Butter. Should give that dark caramelly base smoothed and lightened by the vanillin and butter into a dense creamy dough... Maybe... About to mix it so will soon know haha.
Your comment reminded me, and you should do a search of this sub for information on this as well, that FA Soho at around 0.5% gives a good impression of a baked quality. I've tried it myself, and they were absolutely right. It's a great little trick. I haven't experimented as much as I want to though. Not yet anyway. It hasn't worked with every bakery mix I've tried, but the ones that it works with it works really well. Since FA Soho is said to be a tobacco flavor, it also has some dark, caramelly aspects as well. Great, versatile flavor. It's delicious!
Yes! I literally had Soho in one hand and RY4 Double in the other, sniffing trying to decide which one to use haha.
Went for the RY4 Double to start with, Soho did have more of a bakery smell but I thought with RY4 Double being darker it might stand up better to the vanillin. It's definitely my second choice if this combo doesn't seem quite right in a few days.
INW Biscuit, TFA Graham Cracker Crust, TFA Butter combine to make a pretty good puff pastry-esque flavor. You'll have to play around with percentages because both INW Biscuit and TFA Butter hit different palettes in hugely different ways. I think I used something around 1% bisuit, .5% Graham, and .5-/.75% butter.
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WF Crepe was entirely too sweet for what I was using it for, Cereal 27 could be an interesting add as well. I use Bavarian and Sweet cream sparingly as to not over-sweeten it.
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Not exactly a deep fried dough flavor profile, but I hope it helps.
Thanks that's a good idea. I have the biscuit and the butter so I'll experiment with ratios of those two. Personally I love the taste of Biscuit but I find it a little harsh (just me I think) so I'll probably not go above 0.5% but it could still add to the texture.
I thought the same about biscuit too, but once I rounded out the rest of the recipe (Blueberry Jam Biscuit) I was going for I had to bump up the biscuit again. I believe I started around .5% when I was making the buttery pastry flavor I was after, but once I started adding the adding the jam/creams it took away from the pastry base.
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Are you going for a plain funnel cake/confectionery sugar profile? Like, you won't be adding much in the ways of fruits and creams?
Looking to get that fried doughnut base that I can add other things too including custards, creams and fruits. Trying not to make it sugary, more fatty and dirty if that makes sense. It should be the dominant flavour overall with any additions being in the background.
I’ve been making this beignet recipe as an ADV for like 4 years. It’s great after a quick shake, doesn’t kill coils, and doesn’t require too many flavors.
Oh man I wish I could mix that. I love Sugar Cookie but it doesn't agree with my mucus membranes. If I take more than a couple of hits of a juice containing it the spot where the vape hits my mouth (usually the roof) ends up sore for the next day or two. Sucks because it's one of the best tasting flavours out there. Even tried V2 but same problem.
Maybe if I mixed it at <1% I could get away with it... But then it would probably be too weak to taste haha.
I fInd WF DFPD has a definite lemon taste to it. It ruins the flavour for me. Have a look at SSA CRISP WAFFLE. I found this recently and love the taste. Use at low %. 0.5 It tastes like a waffle cone. No maple. Great with creams etc
Will do. I can smell the DFPD lemon but after a steep I can't taste it, maybe not at all but I haven't tried it without steeping for at least a few days.
WF Crepe SC has the same lemon scent straight from the bottle but I can't taste any lemon after mixing it up either.
The scent is so strong both of those flavours smell the same undiluted, but taste very different haha.