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No taste
submitted over 4 years ago by KetoDudeUK

Hi guys, new to DIY, tried multiple recipes people said are good on Noted, and have a problem, I can't taste most of them.

So I think it's because commercial e-juices are loaded with sweeteners and aromes, so I need an adaptation time ?

Can you confirm it's a thing and how much do your think I have to wait in order to adapt to DIY juices ?

Thanks !

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by Bigredvaporover 4 years ago

I have the same problem with some recipies I vape mtl though so sometimes I just bumb up the percentages some. Obviously this changes the recipe and some flavors don't scale the same as others. I also always have a ry4 juice on hand. There is definitely some trial and error involved in diy. I do use a little sweetener in a lot of my recipes though that makes some flavors pop. Just curious what is your vaping style.

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

I vape in general at 105W, on a geek vape with a dead rabbit tank.

Custards are my favorites but I took plenty of different recipes sweet, creamy, fruity, flowerly etc ... It seams like the ones I taste the most atm are the fruity ones, tried a Rose lychee raspberry ice cream one, it's awesome on the other hand the well known GTKK 2019 is really weak in taste for me.

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by Bigredvaporover 4 years ago

that's completely the opposite from how I vape I dont have any experience at that high of wattage with that much airflow. I vape at 15w on the ares rta. Sorry I cant help much.

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

No worries buddy, thanks for taking the time.

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by NotKhanerover 4 years ago

From my experience anything below 40w never gives much flavor.

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by devon_336over 4 years ago

Same. I vape mtl (w/a galaxies rta) and it wasn’t until I got back into vaping/mixing that I finally dialed in a recipe I’ve been working on for a while. I just had to bump up my flavor percentages a bit higher than what I had been using before.

Also: I started simple with a max of 3 flavors plus sweetener to minimize accidentally creating something nasty lol. It’s a lot easier to troubleshoot a simple recipe like that to get the taste that you want. Especially if I know one mod is better for, say, creamy type juices than fruity ones.

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by aholeinthewor1dover 4 years ago

Are you in the DIY discord by any chance? I just joined a few weeks back and gonna get started with DIY very soon. Unfortunately there are not many MTL people in there

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by Bigredvaporover 4 years ago

I just joined never been involved in a discord though. Very interesting there's a lot to check out.

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by isuamadogover 4 years agoRenaissance Mixer

Me, dunc, foment, sneaky just off the top of my head. Mixman. Hex.

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by sapienBobover 4 years ago

also keep in mind that it's not meant to be Vaped right after making it. you're supposed to let it steep. if you're out of juice completely you can look up quick steeping. but really you're not going to hit the flavor notes you're looking for for about a week.

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Yes, no worries about that I follow the steep times, have a reminder on my Google agenda for every liquid'

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by Harusaiover 4 years ago

I would grab a bottle of cap super sweet and add 1 drop per 30 ml of mixed juice I do this on mixes I want a lil more pop from

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Ok good to know, gonna try that.

Thanks

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by kuri_sanTouover 4 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

FW Sweetener is the go to sweetener currently. CAP has two other additives in it for preservation or some crap.

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by angry_papayaover 4 years agoMissing One Flavor

Like kuri_sanTou said, try FW Sweetener instead, but use twice as much. It's only half as strong as CAP SS.

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by hesheretteover 4 years ago

First off I would try to rebuild the RDA you're using. coil placement can be crucial, a coil to high or low can be the culprit behind muted tasting juice. if that doesn't help, try a different RDA. You should get some flavor, even if you need sweetener to taste more.

2nd troubleshooting tip once you have your atty dialed in would be to try adding in 2-3 drops of FW Sweetener or 1-2 drops CAP SS per already made 15ml (everyone's sweetener preference is different but I had a very hard time tasting juices when starting DIY and this is what worked for me). I was able to quickly wean the sweeteners down but I needed a lot at first, like 0.75% CAP SS or 1.25-1.5% FW Sweetener.

I prefer to make juices, test them and then add in drops after I know what it tastes like without. some flavors are sweet on their own (many vanilla/ cream/ marshmallows), and some even have added sweetener already (ie CAP Sweet Guava/ Tangerine etc)

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

I think I already seeing a little bit of a difference today, still not full of flavours, but added some sweeteners and my palate is adapting.

Hope it will be better in one week/10 days.

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by hesheretteover 4 years ago

Thats great! Drinking lots of water & great oral hygiene (including flossing + I even oil pull every AM) will help the process move along quicker too, at least it did in my experience.

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by brian1208over 4 years ago

Any flavour should pop, good or bad. For a few years after i started sometimes after reworking i would get no flavour so I kept making stronger flavours but still got nothing. Then I would Berwick and the flavour was so strong i couldn't vape it. Play with your wick, cut the tails shorter, thin the tails a little stuff less or more through the coil or make sure your tails are not stuffed in the juice wells, only dipping in the wells and not curled up. If your coil is heating from the center out then its the wick or even not enough watts.

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by Krayfish404over 4 years ago

How does shop-bought bottles taste? Is it just your DIY flavours that don't taste like anything?

If it's only the DIY then you've found your problem. Share a recipe or 2, naming specifically your vg/pg ratio, as well as steep time.

The higher your vg ratio the longer you need to steep. Also, after a long steep certain other flavours falls away again. Don't expect a 6 months steeped bottle to pop with fruits, though a custard sometimes needs a minimum of 2 months.
Use the same recipe and do a 60 / 40, then the same recipe and increase the flavour with say 5%.
At some point you should find your inner happiness.

Just remember all flavours don't pop at the same percentages. I have a vg / pg recipe of 94.5 / 5.5, of which is 4.5% flavour and 1% distilled water. Trust me it pops.

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Just my DIY ones yeah.

I used popular recipes like GTKK 2019 or other famous ones, with the steep time advised and the same VG/PG than the mixer.

I vape high VG commercial liquid and don't have this problem.

I really think there is something about taste adaptation here, will gonna try to keep vaping diy, and add a little bit of super sweet to the recipes.

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by Krayfish404over 4 years ago

Hmmm that sounds like a strange recipe. Something I would not make. I find that recipes are quite close related to your location. Imports from America is usually very sweet. Then Asia the funny fruits. In my country we like to dwell on creams, and milks. Custards not so much anymore, and the ones we do get is light, more vanilla milk/cream than a custard.

Personally I don't find CAP Sweet making flavours pop, it more "blunts" the harsher tones, then again what do I know, besides - "opinion".

Now if you do high VG, I suppose you DIY high VG as well. It really is difficult to DIY at that ratio, the steep is longer, you need to check your percentages, I've even seen people mixing juice in 2 parts, making one batch, then a month later a second (fruits and the stuff that does not mature so well) and then finally adding it all together.

Tastes differ. You'll find your pepper tasters (VBIC) and then people who can't taste strawberry, people who get vape mouth very quickly.

Took me over 100 recipes to get to something I like, I have a shortlist of about 10 now. Just hang tough, try other flavours.

Here's an easy one - https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/76822

1 (TPA) Acetyl Pyrazine 5%

1.5 (TPA) Banana Cream

0.25 (INW) Biscuit

1.5 (FLV) Milk & Honey

0.25 (CAP) Super Sweet

Cheap as it is really 4.5ml flavour / 100ml, I mix at 80/20, if you use an RTA just add 1% distilled water. 3 week minimum steep. See how that goes?

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Actually I did this one, taste muted to me.

But I Vaped it after one week, the mixer says 3 days/ S&V ...

If I keep it steep for 3 weeks I imagine it's a totally different story !

Thanks so much for taking the time.

(For now the best recipe I did is this one

https://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/3214972)

2 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 4 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

What is your setup?

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Geek vape aegis X and dead rabbit 2, I vape between 70 and 105 W

2 points
 
by brian1208over 4 years ago

Check your wicking, if. its not just right you won't taste anything

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by brian1208over 4 years ago

If you can't taste it after a good shake then steeping it or letting it rest for a few weeks won't change that. I would put money on you have changed your coil or wicking.

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by Maximum_Method_912over 4 years ago

Most things you mix will not be great immediately after mixing most take some steeping time . That's why so many people mix up a shit ton of recipes and keep pumping them out hoping to find something that taste great immediately while waiting for the early mixed ones to steep.

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If you really need an outstanding recipe that tastes fantastic immediately to hold you off mix Fizzmustards version of Adirondacks 'Placid" . It's truly OUTSTANDING immediately .

Search for 'PLACID' on this subreddit you will LOVE IT.

2 points
 
by No_Satisfaction_6948over 4 years ago

First, if you're sampling new mixes never use a mesh atty especially if you're mixing vanilla, custards or other delicate deserty flavors. Secondly, most flavors bloom and mature over the next few weeks while few are good right off the shake. It's called steeping which to the layman means just wait for it to fully expand in the VG/PG base and mellow out. Higher PG mixes loose density but flavors are more pronounced so play with this ratio. A decent starting point would be 60/40 VG/PG. Lastly, use a digital scale in grams with a .00 resolution in the hundreds meaning it can register down as low as 0.01g. Lastly, protect your flavors and mixes from heat, light and open air as much as humanly possible. All these things deteriorate your flavor experience.

2 points
 
by Geekers_Machineover 4 years ago

Yes just add .75% super sweet. Its the sweet spot for me, where its nice and sweet, but not too sweet to where its killing coils super fast. I reccomend Purilum super sweet, but Capella super sweet will work as well. Dont add super sweet directly to your tank or coils, mix it in with the pg/vg and flavors while you make it.

1 points
 
by Setagaya-Observerover 4 years ago

Yes, there is Adaption.

(up to a few Weeks)

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by KetoDudeUKover 4 years ago

Ok have to be patient then.

Thanks for taking the time.

2 points
 
by Setagaya-Observerover 4 years ago

Maybe you change your Set Up too, this helps a lot.

1 points
 
by drbreakfast_over 4 years ago

i'm having this same issue with everything I mix, even single flavors.

3 points
 
by Geekers_Machineover 4 years ago

Add Capella or Purilum super sweet at .75% (only sweetener brands ive tried so other brands you might prefer) If it still has no flavor then its your setup, like cottons too thick, coils messed up.

2 points
 
by drbreakfast_over 4 years ago

Added TFA sweetener, still no flavor. Weird, cause im using a citadel clone and i’ve heard it has really good flavor. Also tried it on a Drop Solo and my regular drop; no dice. Im using stainless steel fused claptons (28x2;40) and tried all different diameters, wicking with cotton bacon prime. Wattage is around 40-55. Any idea where im going wrong? Thank you all for the replies!

2 points
 
by craigmadbrickyover 4 years agoMissing One Flavor

You could have some taste bud fatigue going on with that flavor profile. The brain literally won't register it until reset it considerable time goes by. Plain black coffee is a reset beverage. I've had to abandon a number of flavors over ten years. Strawberry, Tobacco, Caramel, Cinnamon. I just vaped them too hard and too long and they went mute on me. I'm currently doing fine with Tropical and Citrus but I am starting to lose Pineapple more and more. It's a real thing I assure you!

1 points
 
by Geekers_Machineover 4 years ago

All i can think of is mayne too much cotton, the drops are amazing rdas. On a fresh wick and coil there is a break in period where the flavor will be bland and cotton-y tasting. Just rip it every so often until the flavor start coming thru

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by craigmadbrickyover 4 years agoMissing One Flavor

I think it's been belabored already but you DO need to check your setup. Wicking, Wattage and Width are what I tell new guys to DIY. Commercial mixed juice is mixed and stored differently so we have to fine tune that wick to absorb and transfer juice quickly. It's why I left the RDA entirely and went to tanks with velocity decks, single coil clapton builds at. .5 ohms and turned down the heat to 25 watts. The bonus is I get the same vapor production, better flavor and drastically less juice and battery consumption. Im really enjoying the Geekvape Zeus X with a single coil built on it at .4 ohms and 28 to 30 watts or so. I too do not add fruit to custard vapes until 3 weeks for citrus / tropical and 2 weeks for berry and melon. I mix a good bit more flavor to high VG 80/20 up to 20% total and rarely go over 13% for 60/40 pg/vg

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