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New FLV Impressions for Burke5227
submitted about 4 years ago by ID10-TWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Yesterday, /u/Burke522 posted, "Have any reviews of the new Flavorah flavors been posted yet? Just curious because I haven't been able to find any in the search or the sidebar."

So, I promised Burke some notes, since I've sampled them. As you can see these are nowhere near thorough enough to really be called flavor "reviews," more like flavor first impressions.

Blue Razz - 3%, 4% - This one is a very different blue raspberry compared to most, sometimes I think they’re just a bunch of hipsters over there at FLV trying to be different for different sakes. It’s sweet and deep, thick and almost rich in a way, like a mouthful of blue razz gummy bear after it’s been mostly chewed. Base-y. Doesn’t go floral or grassy or soapy like too many other blue raspberry flavors, but does seem to be missing the more punchy tart/sour high note like I’d want a perfect blue raspberry flavor to have. I’d use it to fill in the base of a more top-heavy candy raspberry, or tart it up a notch with a touch of lemon or maybe Sour Apple. It seems like a tool that was missing from my collection until now. 3% is great, or probably as great as it gets, 4% starts to get a little strange/funky in a currant/gooseberry not candy kind of way.

Pearesto 1%, 1.5%, 2%, 3% - I think the name might be a pun, like PRESTO!, only PEAResto! instead, and if that’s true, that’s too cute. Doesn’t have the burpy off-note of FLV Pear. Also doesn’t have quite the same mealy pear body as FLV Burpy Pear, but I did get a deep, natural, juicy pear, with some of that body, and a touch of pear skin. It’s also one of the less crisp, riper pears, so if you’re going for a cooked pear, especially a skin-on cooked pear like you might have with a rustic baked pear tart, this might be exactly what you’re looking for. As with a lot of flavors that taste natural, FLV Pearesto it lacks the punch of a more artificial, candyish pear flavor, but one of those could be added to it in a mix in a small amount if needed to push it forward. Bottom line though, I really like the depth on it, and the natural-type skin on pear flavor. People are going to do some awesome things with this one. It’s very potent and needs to be used carefully. At 2% and 3%, that skin note is a little weird in a unique way. Not quite floral, not quite grassy, not quite nail polish remover, but a light touch of a weird amalgamation of all that. Luckily, at 1.5% and even 1%, there’s plenty of great, authentic pear flavor without any off notes. You probably want to keep FLV Pearesto under 2% for a sub-ohm setup.

FLV Chai Spice 2, 3% - Boldly cardamom forward Chai Spice blend with some softer cinnamon and another spice note I can’t ID behind it, maybe clove, but gentle and blended in. The cardamom tastes a bit vaguely overly citrusy, like there’s a bit of lemony orange in there as well. I’m thinking that citrusy quality might hopefully get covered up in a mix or come across as just a brighter cardamom. Top-heavy flavor, like spice flavors usually are, not a much base to it, perfect for topping things off. Not much to say about it, but it’s not off and it’s very flavorful. Compared to other Chai Spice flavors, I really appreciate that it leads with the cardamom instead of clove.

FLV Mint Candy 2%, 3% - I honestly can’t tell you 100% what type of mint (peppermint, spearmint, mixed mint) this is supposed to be. Seems to lean a little more peppermint, though. A little menthol like naturally occurs in mint leaves, right? But a lot of flavors exaggerate that and have extra menthol. This one seems to go off in the other direction, with very little of that menthol-type cooling upfront. It’s got a lot of sticky sweet, thick body without going full hard candy or chewing gum, almost like a mint jelly but not quite. Except that mint jelly should be clearly spearmint, and I’m not getting that. Maybe mixed mint jelly candy? Some kind of hippy mint jelly drop candy? Maybe I’m just not thinking creatively enough, but even though it tastes perfectly fine, a great use for this doesn’t really come to mind. It might be a great “mint for people who hate menthol” though.

FLV Mango Passion Pineapple - 3% - This is tasty and really tastes like all three of the things, in a very balanced way. It’s as if they just took whatever the right amounts of FLV Mango, FLV Passion Fruit, and FLV Pineapple were needed to make them work together and mixed them into one bottle. Like an orangey yellow fruit punch. Which is great, I guess, though if I wanted to I could do that myself. It has a quite present mango that’s not too piney or funky, pineapple that’s sweet and not too sharp. Passionfruit taste is present but a little on the lemony side and the tartness is present, but not really getting that nectary depth of like sweet passionfruit nectar or syrup. Overall it’s fairly juicy, not really fleshy or super thick, like mixing the juice of each of these fruits together. It’s a little top heavy. Like an orangey yellow fruit punch. It really doesn’t inspire a ton of creativity for me, since it’s already got so much going on it tastes kind of one-shotty. I don’t know what to do with this other than maybe add another of whatever I’d like to highlight, or add another tropical flavor to it like Guanabana, Banana, Coconut. Something with some base. Or maybe throw some cream at it and make a tropical smoothie, or some rum and make it like a Caribbean vacation vape. Actually, you know what, I take that back. Maybe there is a lot I could do with this.

FLV Sweet Mango - 3% - This tastes like it was designed to put CAP Sweet Mango out of business and should be successful at that. I’ve used a small amounts of CAP Sweet Mango to add fleshy depth to more top-heavy mangos often, but had to be careful not to add too much and make it yucky. FLV Sweet Mango tastes like it could do that very well without ever getting yucky. It’s a bit basey and feels like it would do much better than others at getting down into something like a cream base rather than just sitting on top of it. It’s very sweet, but without being candyish. It’s got quite a bit more funky ripe tropical depth than the original FLV Mango, without going over into cloying or rotten like mangoes do. What it doesn’t do is really hit those bright citrusy high notes very well. It also isn’t very juicy. I’m going to want to almost always mix it with FLV’s original mango. It’s also lacking some of those piney terpy sort of peel-like top notes that you might sometimes want, so I’m probably looking at a mango trinity that uses FLV Sweet Mango, FLV Mango, and VT Shisha Mango for a full spectrum in your face natural mango experience.

FLV Ripe Mango 3% - Easily FLV’s most “complete” single-flavor mango. Nothing here I would call an off note. It’s definitely a mango for people who like a more funky, riper mango, but it doesn’t cross that line into overripe yucky for me. It’s quite deep and basey. That tropical ripe base is balanced on the top end with a little of a bright, citrus-like top note. It’s quite sweet and a little juicy. It’s only going to fail to be a single-flavor mango in a mango-centric recipe for people who really need a little of that piney peel-like top note. People who want that are still going to want to mix it with VT Shisha Mango, or if you wanted to go all FLV, a careful touch of Yakima Hops might do the trick. I did get a little throat hit from this one that I don’t get with FLV’s other mangoes. I wouldn’t call it harsh, just on par with a lot of popular peach and citrus flavors. Just something to be aware of.

FLV Blackberry 3% - Super jammy sweet very dark berry. I’m not sure I would call it 100% blackberry in a blind taste test, but it’s definitely a very dark berry and more like blackberry than any other berry. I also get notes of blueberry, purple grape, and black currant in there, like it would work as a component in a recipe highlighting any of those. Tastes natural, not candy, like jam. And unlike most other blackberries, it’s not at all floral, which is awesome. There’s a slight funky ripe or musky aspect to it that makes it taste more natural.

FLV Cactus Apple - 2% -I love this! But I can’t figure out why it’s called “cactus.” It tastes very close to those dried apple slices. Not the crunchy apple slices, the soft, spongy ones. Even matches the concentrated sort of slightly sticky naturally sugary sweetness and very light fermented-type note. Even sort of feels like them. Chewy, thick. Worth noting I get some harshness from this, but it’s so tasty that it’s worth it. But I also get an almost identical harshness from FLV Apple Pop that a lot of people don’t get. But why is this yummy dried apple flavor called “Cactus?” It is certainly not nopales, or prickly pear, or aloe... so nothing like any cactus I have ever tried.. Wait, what do peyote buttons taste like....?

FLV Energy Drink 3% - steeped 3 days. Tastes like a whole pack of sweet tarts dissolved in battery acid, with a bubblegum back note. So pretty much spot-on energy drink. Definitely not green or blue Monster, and I get more of an original Rock Star (in the black can) or Red bull vibe from it. Very sugary sweet. Not harsh despite the battery acid, actually really smooth. Lots of depth here as well, not a thin or top heavy flavor. It does seem to have a lot in common with FLV Candy Roll, including a bit of a strange “rubbing alcohol” denaturant off not that I only get from the first couple hits off a fresh drip. Could mean it’s too high concentration, could be it needs to steep longer, could be some component in it I’m sensitive to. If you have no problems with Candy Roll, you’ll have no problems with this. I need to try it again after a longer steep and at a lower concentration and see if that totally goes away for me.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but these new FLV tobaccos are all three steepers.

FLV Mild Tobacco - 2% - One week: I get a really prominent sweetness from the mild tobacco, like a brown sugary almost maple sweetness. I know some tobacco heads will balk “too sweet” but I love it, just right on top of a truly mild tobacco. I also get an odd chemical flavor underneath that, which I don’t like. Hard to describe but somewhat similar to ammonia? I get the same thing from most INW tobaccos before they steep, so it might just need to steep. Bummer since I’m used to being spoiled by FLV shake and vapeable tobaccos and only get that weird taste from a couple of the cigarette-styled ones, and maybe Virginia if it’s used too high, not steeped, and not paired with other tobaccos. But never from the darker ones like Red Burley and Kentucky. It leads me to think this is going to be much better at the two-week mark. Though, I also wondered whether 2% was just way too much for a single flavor. I wished I’d had more time and been more thorough and mixed more up at different concentrations at the same time but... you know, so much to mix so little time.

Two weeks later: weird ammonia-esque note gone, wonderful dark brown sugary maple-ish (cyclotene?) flavor on top of a mild light tobacco still there. Very nice.

Vanilla Tobacco - 2% - After one week: Notably sweet, nutty, dry tobacco flavor upfront, some richer French-type vanilla behind it. Some darker sweetness. Lingering vanilla finish, but dry.

Two weeks later: Smooth, very sweet tobacco with lots of vanilla behind it and some darker caramelly sweetness. A little nutty, a little grassy (in a good way, hay-like). Less dry than I remember it being two weeks before, smoother, but still a bit dry. The darker caramelly part seems a bit more prominent but still very much takes a back seat to the vanilla. It’s pretty yummy.

FLV RY4 - 2% - After one week: Mild, dry, nutty, slightly smoky tobacco, caramel bordering on brown sugar sweetness underneath. I think this one might really need either a higher concentration or longer steep because it’s overall a light flavor.

Two weeks later: Wow, this benefited greatly from steeping. It’s fuller, sweeter and more caramelly underneath that mild, dry, nutty, slightly smoky (with a hint of mocha coffee) tobacco, and a deeper richer, flavor overall. Underneath the tobacco, it’s taken on that very rich, extra gooey caramel aspect I was looking for. This is awesome.

Edit: People who have tried any of these, please share your thoughts about them here too!

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17 points
 
by chudthwackabout 4 years ago

u/ID10-T you really are one of the greatest tools there is for the mixing community. Thanks for these notes.

24 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Yep, just ask my ex-wives, I'm sure they'll all agree that I'm a great big tool

7 points
 
by goldfish18about 4 years agoWinner of the 1st DIYorDIE World Mixing Championship

/u/ID10-T is a true gem to the mixing community and has the best sniffer in all the land!

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by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

/u/burke5227

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by burke5227about 4 years ago

This is great! Thank you again for this and all the other contributions you made. You've helped me be a better mixer straight from th beginning.

Cheers!

6 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

You're welcome!

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by zentimabout 4 years ago

thanks!

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by Flanker6or7about 4 years agoMixologist

Man, I think you're really well spoken (written?) and I appreciate the time you spent transcribing your notes here.

I really enjoy my FLV arsenal, and I'll be looking to add Blue Raspberry and Blackberry if they're made available in Canada thanks to you!

Take care.

4 points
 
by Bigredvaporabout 4 years ago

Thanks for the flavor notes

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by isuamadogabout 4 years agoRenaissance Mixer

mint candy solo 3% has been my adv pod juice since i got it. it could probably/definitely go higher but this is perfect for me. clean sweet minty taste. i will try it with some booze and a little lime when i get a second to breathe.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

I want those pod juices COLD so I use FLV Peppermint and then add even more cooling (WS-23 or FLV Cool Menthol) on top of that. Mint Candy's lack of iciness makes me not want to do that. Just personal preference. Like choosing Dentyne Ice over Wrigley's Doublemint.

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by isuamadogabout 4 years agoRenaissance Mixer

Yeah I enjoy the sweetness of it without the cold. Probably why I seem to prefer inw shisha peppermint over Flv peppermint. But the cold comes through forcefully for both. I’d prefer a wee bit of taste and enjoy the mellowness of the Flv mint candy to ride out my day without ever tiring of it.

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by haussmeisterabout 4 years ago

I did not check ATF to see if you have a pod/mtl icy mint recipe but if you do not have one public I would immensely appreciate it if you could share a recipe. Those are my favorite flavor profiles for MTL, currently I go with 10% FW Candy cane and 1% TPA menthol and it's alright.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

I don't, I don't have any pod recipes because I'm having trouble lowering my expectations for how much flavor these things are capable of delivering enough to put my name on it. I don't even think of them as "recipes," more like "things I mix together to get away with vaping at work so I don't rip anyone's head off." Your Candy Cane/Menthol combo sounds perfectly fine. Lately I've been doing FLV Peppermint with WS-23, TFA French Vanilla Deluxe, and FLV Smooth Vanilla. Try adding some creamy vanilla to what you're doing, it's pretty good like that. I don't think it really matters very much which one you use, just whatever you have on hand.

4 points
 
by MsEmotions220about 4 years ago

Thank you very much for these notes!! 😊

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by [deleted]about 4 years ago

Thank you very much for sharing your notes u/ID10-T. It almost sounds like FLV is trying to bring some answers to the market for juul users who can no longer find their favors anymore with these new flavor offerings.

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by Sugarchocabout 4 years ago

Great review Dave! I only have Blue Raz so far and it's exceptional. If Boysenberry is black berry candy, then Blue Raz is a red berry candy in this pack.

I'm planning to make another order soon... would you consider Blackberry the best in its class (or awesome by your standards)? I'm still deciding which one to choose: Blackberry FLV or Blackberry (Mora) WF (or something else like VTA maybe)? How would you rank them?

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by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Even though it's yummy, I'm mildly annoyed with FLV for not tasting exactly like a blackberry. I'm actually going to go with Flavormonks so far for the best single-flavor blackberry. My personal jury is still out on WF - I need to try it again at a higher concentration, there's just very little flavor at 2%. Super concentrated, my ass. And, I have not tried VT at all yet.

One really great blackberry layer I tried recently used FLV Boysenberry, FLV Jammy Berry, FW Blackberry, and a little bit of TFA Blackberry for a blackberry jam, and I suspect it would be even better with FLV Blackberry instead of FW. Blackberry is hard. Flavormonks might be difficult or prohibitively expensive to source with River cutting us off. I'd try some FLV Blackberry with a tiny bit of TFA Blackberry for a more natural blackberry. Just don't make the mistake of FA or SSA or MB blackberries, all three of those are so, so bad.

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by Sugarchocabout 4 years ago

Thx for great reply, it helped a lot. I have that FM Blackberry, but it has that awful medicinal note for me (that i guess hardly anyone has issues with; that same chemical they use in so many berry flavors; totally annoying for me, can't stand it even at 0.25% smelling, tasting or vaping). Will give this one a try (FLV). Thx for your help.

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by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Oh that sounds awful. Well, FLV Blackberry is different than FM, maybe it will be the one that works best for you

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by billj81about 4 years ago

Thank you sir. You mention that Blue Razz may be missing something to complete it. What would be your suggestion for a complete blue raspberry? Adding some Wf blue raspberry candy and sour ball candy? Or would .5% Vt sour lemon be a better fit in your opinion?

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by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Obviously I'm not sure because I haven't had a chance to play with it yet, but some good options seem like WF Sour Blue Raspberry Candy, VT Sour Ball Candy, VT Sour Lemon, FLV Sour Apple, CAP Blue Razz Cotton Candy, INW Raspberry (Malina), maybe FA Raspberry

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by billj81about 4 years ago

I can agree to a few of those. Just got it in and haven’t had a chance to sft it yet was why I asked. Guess i just filled up my evening now batching with these. Also interested in what Wf Boysenberry Raspberry will do to it.

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by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Won't give it that tartness that's missing, will probably taste like some kind of awesome dark berry sweet jammy... thing. I think you're still going to find you want something on top of that.

2 points
 
by Barbarakeabout 4 years ago

These are wonderful - thank you so much. Off to make an order...

2 points
 
by HocusKrokusabout 4 years agoHis Bearded Holiness

I think that RY4 just might be my new favorite

2 points
 
by ID10-Tabout 4 years agoWinner: Best Recipe of 2019 - Counter Punch

Now that Holy Holy Grail is gone, it is my favorite. Just gotta be patient with it and let that caramel richness develop.

2 points
 
by rabidnzabout 4 years agoElixir Sommelier

Thanks a lot! Legendary insights!

2 points
 
by aquaphishabout 4 years ago

Thank you so much for this! One of my oldest recipes is no longer make able because NN discontinued their base chai flavor years ago and my supplies have dwindled. I'm gonna have to look into this chai cause it sounds delectable!!

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by SigmaLanceabout 4 years ago

Damn. Looks like I’m ordering that RY4. So far my daily driver has been JF RY4 Double (which also benefits from a 2 week steep) so FLV’s sounds like a no-brainer.

Thanks for the reviews. I haven’t really heard much about anything other than the Blue Raz.

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by Mother_Punkeralmost 4 years agoMixologist

I swear I must be the only one that just hates WF sour blue raspberry candy lol. All the new recipes for FLV blue raz use it. I’ll be interested to see if anyone comes up with pairings that don’t use that. Messing with it myself but nothing notable yet.

As always, thanks for your brilliantly worded reviews!

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by The_True_One__almost 4 years ago

SUUUUUPER late comment. But i was looking if anyone else other then noted talked about FLV mango ripe. I got some and never ended up putting it to use. But you mentioned using it with Shisha mango may i ask what would you reccomend with it percentage wise or what other flavors are must haves in the mango world. I keep looking for the mango for me. Ive been using shisha and indian mango special but its not doing it for me honestly. I also have wf island mango but i think that was a mistake or I'm just not using it right.

Thanks in advance!

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