So at this point in my journey for the past 5 years or so of DIY, I have found myself stumbling into mad scientist mode particularly after stocking up on a boatload of freebase nic with the new PACT regulations.
Though I’m not an avid user of nic salt, I do enjoy it on occasion and have more than a few friends who all vape salt nic juice. I have done a couple weeks worth of research on this through various searches of forums highlighting the JUUL patent, 3:4 mixing ratios, heat vs. no heat etc so I think I have a good grasp on the concept of creating nic salt from the BA and nic reaction but most of what I’ve found outlines creating either a 50/50 PG/VG solution as a base or a whole batch of flavored nic salt liquid at a certain mg strength. I’m wanting to experiment with this but I can’t find exactly what I’m looking to accomplish.
I historically have used 100% PG nic base. I find it ages better and mixes better, just my preference. I currently have a ton of 100mg/ml freebase I want to use on some salt nic experimentation with benzoic acid. However, what I want in the end is a 100% PG nic salt that I can then use as I normally would regular nic (using calculator, flavors etc) as opposed to pre-mixing a 50/50 base. Does anyone with experience trying this process know how I can achieve that? For whatever reason the math is getting lost on me being that everything I’ve read is making a BA solution in VG (which weighs more) then subsequently turning that into a 50/50 base.
I’d prefer to make a batch of 100% PG nic salt I can then mix with at any percentage I want given I know the final mg strength of the newly created nic salt.
Any insight would be greatly appreciated!
There might be a diy chemistry sub that'd be more helpful. This is the best question I've seen on here in a a sec though! Sorry for the lack of helpfulness
I suspect most DIY’ers are partial to freebase given flavor RDA’s and lower nic levels. There’s some info out there on the web from a couple people who I can’t get into contact with, I thought maybe they’d be around here as well. I’m also confident most people don’t want to dabble in chemistry experiments with something you inhale, but given this crazy vape ban it’s something I’d like to learn and have in my tool belt.
I think your latter point is more relevant than your former.
I just buy nic salts (salicylic acid based) and use that directly rather than buying freebase and making my own, I imagine most do the same especially when salts are more stable in storage than freebase.
Turning freebase into salts is more complex than required and unnecessary under most circumstances.
I have some info I've gathered regarding Citric Acid, but not Benzoic:
Mike Petro over on ECF made a 1:1 (1g/1ml) mixture of Citric Acid in PG and mixed into freebase juice until PH was 7.5.
u/cijinct makes a 1:1 mixture of CA in water and mixes 0.0007566 ml of solution x total nic weight. I.E. 100ml of 50mg/ml nic = 5000mg. 0.0007566 x 5000 = 3.78ml of solution.
Both of these methods were based on a recipe by the now defunct Vermont Vapor company.
I've not yet tried this personally, but I plan on it soon. I'll likely mix 2 batches with my bad stock from River Supply and 2 more with some good nic for a side by side utilizing each of the above methods.
Would be curious to hear the results. I’ve read a bit on citric acid and could also see a combination of these acids being used to develop salt nic with different inhale properties. I’m going to do some experimentation with the BA when it arrives using some formulas I’ve come across but ultimately would like to have a 100% PG salt nic to mix with.
From what I understand, BA could simply be mixed into 10% PG Nic at a 3:4 ratio by weight but it should be heated to dissolve the solids. This might be ok for single use testing but not long term mixing which is why most people are making a 10% dilution of BA heated in a carrier before mixing to a final base.
Thanks for the formulas, I’m gonna screenshot that and add it to my growing list of confusing numbers 😂