I've seen a lot of people saying things like "it's not too late. X, Y, Z are still selling" and as someone who has done several hours of research I'd like to share some thoughts.
- Pay applicable taxes.
Most consumer sites take care of this for you and include it in the sale price. But most consumer sites also stopped selling on 3/28.
Business sales operate in a different realm. Say you order a $1000 lifetime supply and there is no tax at checkout, it arrives without issue, great, however in a state like CA you'd be liable for $570 in taxes, payable by end of quarter. Just something to keep in mind.
- Much of the new PACT Act Amendment took effect on the 28th.
Businesses are now required to keep records of sales/deliveries/quantities and file a monthly report with state tobacco tax administrators. Consumer sales must also be explicitly labeled 'Tobacco,' age must be verified, signature is required to take delivery. Business to business sales do not have these requirements but must still report.
Some of you are probably familiar with "Only Delivers To Commercial Addresses, For Professional Use Only." You may be able to still receive a shipment from one of these sellers. Just be aware of what realm you are operating in.
- We're in uncharted territory.
USPS must clarify the exact implications by April 27, the same day that consumer shipping must stop. Much is still unknown about how these regulations will be enforced. For all I know, nic sales won't even be included due to the numerous other industrial uses. But we simply don't know.
Business to business sales are very much up in the air. Historically the PACT act didn't apply to b2b. So long as both parties were legally operating businesses with all applicable licenses. Although they are required to submit an application to the USPS Pricing and Classification Service Center.
I am by no means an expert, this article is where I found most of the above information, and there could be inaccuracies. https://www.natlawreview.com/article/congress-amends-pact-act-to-apply-to-all-vaping-products-placing-huge-burden-small
For anyone who freaks out after reading this... I think it will be fine. Definitely do #1. But the people most exposed to consequences are the sellers. I'm not actually sure that the gov could do anything to a consumer buyer masquerading as a business2business customer.
In my mind tho if you are contemplating making another purchase, I'd just wait. You likely have years supply already. We have science on our side. No matter what the politicians can say, e-cigs have been demonstrated to be 95% less harmful than cigarettes and 500,000 people a year die from smoking related illnesses.
I get that our for-profit healthcare system complicates this but the advocacy materials practically write themselves. This is not the end. We are survivors.
I agree with you in terms of the harm reduction and the likely continuance of vaping in general, but I think the bigger issue is that for those of us that got used to essentially vaping for free, the proposed nicotine taxes look utterly insane. Mail ban, flavor ban, PMTA, PACT act - its ALL designed to stop consumers from having affordable and easy access to free-market-priced vaping equipment, nicotine, and juice. They are all engineered with 0% regard to "safety", "health", or "science", and 100% engineered to allow our shit government to cut off the current supply, and then put in place a plan to further pilfer our pockets in the form of MASSIVE sin taxes, regardless of whether its healthier for constituents or not. I'm just hoping that this bullshit wakes people up, on all sides of politics, to how much of a giant unethical immoral cash grab federal bureaucracy is.
This x 100. Some site are already doing it.
I was trying to buy some backup hardware just in case, came to about 75 dollars. After tax, a sign on delivery fee, and the excise tax for my state, my total was 160 bucks.
That's a hell of a sticker shock
"For all I know, nic sales won't even be included due to the numerous other industrial uses." this is exactly why none of this worried me in the first place as a DIYer.. It has to be intended to be used for aerosols or vapors to be included in the bill, anyone with a legal background could get around restrictions on pure nicotine easily, you just need an extra label on the bottle, "USP Grade nicotine diluted in PG" & other uses like "indoor insecticide use only" (why indoor? because it kills bees and is too effective as an insecticide according to existing laws), etc.. If the current nicotine wholesalers don't continue with consumer sales, i promise you there will be others stepping in... but ofc i agree with the gov't on adult signatures on delivery, as should be the same with most dangerous chemicals.
I am new to reddit. But have been vaping since 2016, making my own juice. Early when the vape ban came on the horizon, I joined reddit.
I looked for a petition site on whitehouse.gov, Obama had a petition site that trump removed. But did not see one now. There is a site to write to though. Do you think we could get vapers to write and say how much harm this is doing them and others? how the costs are not fair? Could it be circulated to other vape groups? Opinions on should we even bother?
I just got an order of nicotine I bought from MFS and while my receipt shows that I did pay tax it’s like normal sales tax collected on anything.
I live in the same county as Chicago and there is a hefty tax for vape stuff and it definitely appears that it was not applied to this purchase. I wonder if it isn’t collected because the point of sale was another state since I got it online? I’d really hate to get a nasty letter saying I owe a pile of taxes on this.
FWIW no vape stuff I order online ever has the additional taxes attached to it so this isnt really unusual. Hopefully if there’s a discrepancy it’s MFS’s problem and not mine.