I got my liter of Nic River salts I think a few months ago and just threw it in the freezer and didn’t want to think about it, haven’t even cracked the seal to smell (I didn’t know about the bad batches), let alone put in glass bottles that I’ve also gone this long without getting because I bought in 120s-240s before, but just looking at the bottle is so depressing after realizing like that this is IT and it might taste like mushrooms lol.
It’s hitting me like a ton of bricks that I will pretty much have no choice but to quit at some point, but that’s alright I guess.
This is just like 1984 /s
Vaping isn’t over. Nicotine isnt illegal and There are still places to source it. Don’t give up hope. If you want to vape, you can keep vaping. We just have new obstacles to work around.
Honestly shroomy nic isn't a very common thing in all the nic I've bought in the last 4 years. Typically it's either good or oxidized and peppery. It's always good practice to test your nic when it arrives in case there issues. Carolina xtract is still currently selling nic.
It has been very common in the recent batches from River
Yeah quite a few different batch numbers were posted including one I received. They either got a crap shipment in or cut corners to ship everything out in time.
A heads up that not all the shipped River nicotine from batches that some say are bad are indeed bad. I have some here from the very same batch that one or more people said was bad. Mine definitely isn’t. It’s perfectly fine and almost identical in flavor and smell compared to another batch of nicotine I have from a different vendor. I guess it’s possible there were some bad bottles or something happened during the process of packaging etc. but at least in my case, not with all of a particular batch.
If your concerned with your batch, try it out unflavored. It may have a slight flavor. To me at 9mg strength it’s like a very light ashtray smell taste. Not anything I feel is off putting, especially if mixing with flavors. However, everyone’s different and could describe it differently (earthy, pungent, tobacco, etc.). If it’s not, for lack of better description, medium to strong tasting then you are probably good to go.
I wouldn't be too concerned. It's actually amazing how quickly the market can move when they want/have to. As long as you're stocked for 3 - 6 months, I wouldn't be too concerned. There will be a solution past that. I would be fairly surprised if the government kept at regulations for the DIY crowd. It's a really small percentage of vapers to be targeting. A 16 year old is not going to be motivated enough to wrap coils and DIY liquid, they will pick up a Juul though. With that being regulated, there is limited reason to go after nic supply. I can't rule it out, but it seems unlikely. Chin up.
Most of the bad River nic has been ordered in the last ~2 weeks. Too late to have them replace it now anyway, but if your nic is bad then you can always order HiLiq from China. Carolina on the east coast will still ship nic out as long as they can (for DIY "lozenges & gum"); Nude Nicotine in San Diego, Liquid Barn in north Los Angeles & Heartland Vapes on OKC all said they will be offering in person pickups. Wizard Labs in FL might as well but idk.
Don't give up so easily, when there's a will, there's a way!
I think the shift to "lozenges and gum" is going to be the loophole. I don't know how long the process is for smoking cessation product certification, but if I had an existing nicotine production facility I would make some gum and get a cert as fast as I could.
The only thing to probably come out of this law in the end are kids poisoning themselves with nicotine.
Nude nic isn't shipping anymore.. I placed my order two days before their deadline and still haven't recieved any notifications
My nude nic order just arrived. It was three weeks from the order to it showing up. So I guess figure something along those lines. Maybe a bit more because everyone hadnt gone completely nuts when I ordered mine. Just fairly nuts.
I was referring to them offering in person pick-ups after the ban tho; I saw someone else make a post in here saying that they emailed NN about their order status & NN told them that all orders placed before the deadline would ship/ would be allowed to be shipped tho! NN is always slow on top of now being backed up, but it'll get to you :)
have you heard anything from NN yet? if not then maybe it would be worth it to contact them if it's been almost 2 weeks since you ordered at this point. they're probably just backed up but it never hurts to check on things just in case if there's still no word. they have a # you can call on their website! I'd def call tho bc they suck at getting back to ppl by email
I just received an order from Nicotine Giant. They're still shipping. A little on the pricier side, but not bad. My review here
I'll be completely honest, I made what I expect to be my last coil order from Element recently. I was going to look into RDAs and stock up for that but I thought about it and was like... nah, I think I'm done. Once I burn through my supplies, anyway. I just don't have the energy, and it felt like no sooner did I stock up ahead of PMTA than some other bullshit popped up. Respect to those of you who will continue to fight but it won't be me.
Big Daddy government isn't going to stop coming after us, that much has been made abundantly clear.
I mean, zero nic is not the end of the world. I tend to mix up a lot of my testers without nic, to save nic and also because I chain vape them. Most of the larger bottles I mix up have 3mg nic (tobaccos usually 6mg), but I will randomly mix a couple up without nic here and there, and not label which is which- I can honestly say I don't notice the difference.
I will keep some higher nic juices labelled as such, e.g. Brigade 2506 mixed up at 9mg for when I go out drinking, to stop me fiending for a cigarette (seriously, this is the BEST juice I have found for killing those drunk cravings, it's awesome). I will have one or two bottles that are labelled as 3-6mg for when I have to work or go to stressful family events or whatever. But sitting round at home, it really makes no difference to me. Doing it this way will make your nic go much further, and by the time you are out of it there will be workarounds- there already are workarounds springing up.
If you feel 0mg juice misses the throat hit there are always ways around that- black pepper, cinnamon, high PG, INW dark tobacco base/dirty neutral base, etc etc.
I read the other day on one of these threads, that it did not appear to be happening to salts. I know nothing about salts. But there is still hope yours will be okay, don't trash it. I order from LNW, always have been good.
I got 2 bad bottles of salt, 100mg pg hit salts & 100mg pg smooth salts. bought 3/17, received 3/26. this user bought their nic months ago when this wasn't a common problem for river tho (although ironically i also got bad hit & smooth salts from river in sept 2020, but that was probably due to ordering in the summer heat more than river's fault).
Read the 'Nicotine Giant Review' thread. Seems they are going to continue shipping with UPS. Maybe UPS has had a change of heart.
UPS didn't have a change of heart lol we wish. their ban officially goes into effect 04/05 iirc. i bet nic giant is just going to be s h a d y about it n claim their nic is for "diy lozenges or gum" instead of vaping, just like Carolina says they'll be doing for as long as they can.
Maybe we should stop it!
To be an Addict is hard.
Vaping saved me but maybe i need to go for the next Step!
My Supplier wrote:
> NicVape has been working tirelessly on solutions since the US Government announced a vape mail ban in December 2020 but, sadly, believe that we will be unable to continue filling orders for our cherished customers.
> While there is still some hope we may find couriers in the future that will assist us with both domestic and international shipping options, we are encouraging all of our customers to stock up now.
Some of us just like nicotine though it's not necessarily an addiction thing it's like drinking coffee in the morning makes you a bit sharper, while sure it still is an addiction it's a very minimal one.
Imo. it is not a “minimal one” but one of the hardest one to fight!
I am abusing Nicotine since more than 40 years and can’t stop it, it nearly killed me 10 years ago, since i am vaping it got better but i still need Nicotine!
Maybe the difference for me is that I have only ever vaped, and when you are vaping you don't get all the MAOIs that make the addiction a lot stronger. There has actually been a lot of study into this. Basically if you give someone pharmaceutical nicotine the addiction is about as strong as caffeine whereas tobacco based nicotine through smoking, chewing, snus. All cause much stronger addiction.
I’m in the same boat. Bought my “stash” at the turn of the year. Didn’t take the bottles out of the bags or anything, just put it into the freezer. 4 months later, here we are.
120ml lasts me around a year and I have 2 of those from my last purchase with VaporsTek before they went out of business. So realistically I won’t be opening the Nic River stuff until 2023 or so.
Since it seems all the issues are with PG and more recent, I’m gambling that my VG nic is okay
it's not it dude, relax and read the law.