#Welcome Back
It's once again time to vote on the most essential First Order flavors. This list is intended to reflect the most versatile set of flavors that you would recommend to someone just starting out. Nominate one flavor per comment and feel free to include the reasons or recipes if you feel inclined. Nominating more than one flavor is more than fine, just make sure you upvote the ones you agree should be on the list!
##Mixing Game Results >Top 3 recipes based on your votes
###Black & Red by /u/staybert, /u/isuamadog & /u/ID10-T
Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- INW | Black Cherry for Pipe | 1% FA | Black Touch | 2% TFA | Cherry Extract | 3%
###Warranted by /u/ID10-T, u/Steve-TC & /u/plexinvise
Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- INW | Rhubarb | 1% SSA | Compote Cherry | 2% FA | Wow | 3%
###Norwegian Slaughterhouse by /u/EdibleMalfunction, u/Steve-TC & u/Kittybit8
Co. | Flavor | % ---|---|---- FW | Blood Orange | 1% CAP | Licorice | 2% TFA | Vanilla Swirl | 3%
##The Highlights
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u/ivertrio provided us with a PSA about Heartlandvapes and their website security. For the uninitiated; this is relatively common and has been reported about more than a few DIY vendors. Whether it's the vendors fault or the platform they choose, it would be a good idea to heed the advice in the comments when making any online purchases.
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/u/gremlinjuice is keeping the Free Friday tradition alive by making one lucky persons Friday full of awesome flavors.
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u/baade89 is on a mission for the community and recently released Inawera's MSDS files. You can find more of his work on the Safety Compendium.
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u/OdieDoodah the Flavor Facts guy won a flavor pack from Flavorah and instead of keeping it for himself, immediately offered it up as an incentive to get people participating and sharing their Flavor Notes with his handy Flavor Note Generator
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u/isuamadog is beyond reluctant to inherit the title of Tobacco Expert but he has become the go-to guy for many when searching for bacco wisdom. When he's not teaching us How to Describe Tobacco he's lending a guiding hand to a new mixer seeking A Beginner Bacco
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/u/-dixxleroo- has got you covered if you want to know practically everything you'd need to about Pear flavors or Sherbet & Sorbet
> Looking for recipes?
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/u/sigmalance posted a recipe review for Wintermint Cream which might just convince you to mix it up for St. Paddy's day.
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/u/tall_thinker seems to have put some serious work in to fine tune this Blue Raspberry recipe
##Be sure to check out the current First Order Flavors and then come back to nominate or vote.
I think that a "one size fits all" list of First Order Flavors is the wrong way to go. I think we should nominate First Order flavors for each profile - maybe as part of FOTW? Because everyone likes different things.
First Order Apples
First Order Cakes
First Order Tobaccos
First Order Creams
First Order Lemons
First Order Florals
etc
I like that idea, but also find a huge benefit to having a suggested all in one first order flavor list. A list that helps you try a variety of recipes in different profiles and creates a solid foundation to build upon. It takes out a lot of the extra research requirements and extra effort that may create a barrier to entry.
I think there could/should be a list of bases/foundation flavors that are easy to build upon.
"Beginner's Toolbox"
- Ice Cream Base
- Cheesecake Base
- Cream Stone
- Cookie Base
- Lemonade Base
- Cake Base
And maybe throw in a few thing like Sweeteners, Coolants and "Must Haves" like FLV Rich Cinnamon.
Then handle flavors that are added to these bases as individual profiles.
I like this idea. I used the first order list as well when buying my first orders. I think one thing that helped me the most was learning about the trinities. It helped me learn how to build off of them, combining them. But. More so that once I bought the flavors for the strawberry, blackberry, cheesecake, Mango, ice cream and cake trinity that I realized I had acquired alot of the higher rated and highly versatile flavors which was crucial to mixing other recipes as well as creating to my taste. ♥️
Yes! This is insanely good. I think it's the fastest and easiest way to progress as a mixer too. If you have a few different type of bases, you can easily test your new flavors in different situations.
Like getting a solid cream/icecream base and just start picking the most recommended fruits will be such a huge toolbox for new mixers.
Ok Apex - here's the next several weeks worth of Digest ideas - hahahaha. Started with another post - but because of Contest Mode - some of it is buried in the replies - let me put it out there in a top level reply.
Here we are talking about First Order Flavors - but what do we say to newbies over and over and over and over?
#DON'T ORDER INDIVIDUAL FLAVORS - YOU DIPSHIT - FIND RECIPES AND ORDER THOSE FLAVORS!
I think we should come up with a Beginner's Toolbox of recipes that are "foundations" you can build on - like The Trinity Vanilla Ice Cream.
We need suggestions/ideas/recipes for Cheesecake, Soda, Cream, Cookie, Cake, Custard, Lemonade, etc. A new mixer may like several of those, but is free to leave out the one's they don't care for. We should also throw in a short list of additives like AP, Sweeteners, and Coolants.
After that, we should break down the flavor world into smaller categories and then nominate flavors in each - things that can be added to the foundation recipes in the Beginner's Toolbox (ie BerryCheesecake, BerryIceCream, BerryLemonade). A new mixer can then pick and choose what they like most.
Can we have a week or First Order Flavors for each of the following? Citrus, Melons, Tropical, Bakery, Dessert, Berries, Booze, Tobacco, Nuts&Grains, Spices, Floral, Dairy, Candy, etc
This probably isn't the right thread to be discussing this, but..
I left a similar comment on some thread a few weeks ago. I too am tired of seeing the old mantra of picking flavors for recipes. It's just a lazy answer at this point. The best argument for it would be that a new mixer has to start somewhere. But, I think this only really works if they already have a general idea of what they like and get pointed to the right recipes by someone more experienced. This approach doesn't really incentivize curiosity, involvement or experimentation though. Most new mixers end up just mixing the recipes without bothering to SFT. Not everybody has the time nor care for that, which is understandable, but I bet that these mixers are also much more likely to end up going back to commercial liquids or "worse"(cigs). Not everybody is the same and this leads me to believe the old mantra just isn't for everyone in that sense. In my conclusion I think that FOF should come with a warning or explanation and a section that goes into detail per profile that could be useful for new and experienced mixers at the same time. Something like the flavorfacts sheet, but more complete, detailed and centralized. As I'm typing this I realize this would be perfect for that new recipe website I keep hearing about.
A warning/explanation is always good, but I disagree that mixing others' recipes, even if done exclusively, will lead to going back to commercial juice or cigarettes. I think the opposite is actually true. DIY obviously has an entry cost that isn't trivial and having some early success is important. If you just dropped $80-100 on a scale, bottles, nic, pg/vg and concentrates and everything you mix comes out poorly, you're much more likely to abandon the pursuit. That's why a First Order Flavors list is needed, especially with suggested recipes to back up those flavors. Once you have some juice that you enjoy and actually have all of the individual components that comprise it, the experimentation and creativity is a natural progression.
Fair points and I do agree on most.
Still, for whatever reason, new mixers quit all the time, I've seen it a fair few times.
I get it though and FOF is great, but it doesn't work for everyone and I just think something like a Top Flavors per profile list (like FF) would be a great addition to it. It's more inspiring and would be a great resource for experienced mixers too.
While compiling Flavor Facts one thing I've lamented is NOT having a link to a Beginner's Guide for each flavor category. I'd love to see a quick guide of the best flavors and some simple recipes - for when I want to venture into new territory. I think new mixers could really benefit from something like that.
When it is good to have trinities as a separate guide, I still see value in “first” flavors. For me it was more appealing to experiment and I can’t be the only one. At some degree similar post helped me even though some flavors were not up my valley. That said, I do see that this thread can be transformed into the concentrated squish of Flavor Facts when there are groups of “good” flavors with profile descriptions. Somewhat a “great flavors collection” if you know what I mean. That would help people make a good choice at the start. P.s. also great to have a handful of renown recipes for the beginners too (e.g. bewd). That will help for sure.
The main idea I'd like to get across . . .
To make a "useful" list of flavors to help New Mixers - it should be divided into manageable parts - not EVERY possible flavor in one big chunk.
We all have things we like and don't like. Using one Big List means a Newbie has to edit out the parts he/she wants. Instead, the parts should already be broken up and a Newbie can select as many as we want and assemble them like Leggos.
I'd like to nominate FA Mango Indian Special. There's not one mango on the current list.
I have had a few mango's and prefer this mango over nearly any other. It's realistic, fleshy, juicy, sweet, stable, full and not that hard to work with. Runner-ups would be WF Island Mango and FE Mango, but all three are great and serve a purpose.
Let me just shamelessly plug my latest iteration (v34) of Devine Nektar (excuse the generic name).
|Co.|Flavor|%| |:-|:-|:-| |FA|Mango Indian Special|4| |WF|Island Mango|2.5| |FA|Fuji|1.5| |CAP|Double Apple|2| |INW|Blackcurrant|0.5| |FA|Blackcurrant (Ribes)|1.5| |CAP|Super Sweet|0.2| |TBV|Sugar Daddy|0.5|
I haven't tried my FA Indian Mango yet because it smells identical to FA Dark Vapure / FA Green Pepper. I wonder if they bottled the wrong flavor?
LB Vanilla Ice Cream- pretty much my go to for making an "and cream" recipe. Works really well with every fruit or bakery I've thrown at it. Not something I would vape on its own but as a cream component in a recipe it acts as a plug n play, no need to dope it up unless youre feeling fancy.
TPA Cheesecake Graham Crust- Don't be fooled by the cheesecake in the name, pretty much undetectable cheesecake filling but a killer bakery. Used in the cheesecake trinity as the thick crust, but you can utilize this in a cookie/graham cracker/pie/custard recipe as well as a random background bakery note.
FLV Boysenberry
INW Raspberry (Malina)
FA Fuji
VT Shisha Mango
FA Coconut
CAP Sweet Tangerine
FLV Citrus Soda
CAP Lemon Lime
FLV Wild Melon
TPA Dragonfruit
LB Vanilla Ice Cream
TPA Vanilla Swirl
FW Yogurt
VT Devon Cream
VT Chocolate Mousse
FA Caramel
JF Yellow Cake
CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl
TPA Pistachio
FLV Apple Filling
This is top tier stuff. Perfect first order list. I would add:
FW Blueberry
CAP Juicy Lemon (so versatile, not standalone)
JF Sweet Strawberry
JF Biscuit
FA Bavarian Cream (TPA also acceptable)
INW Yes, We Cheesecake
INW Custard
INW Shisha Vanilla
CAP Sugar Cookie
>FLV Boysenberry
Nice list but this has been my jam lately. Pretty much throw it in anything mixed or dark berry and it just takes it to another level.