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Send a message to the USPS requesting that they please continue to mail vape products!
submitted over 4 years ago by xBlack_Yoshix

This is a call to action! The USPS is now accepting feedback regarding the vape mail ban. The USPS is genuinely interested in our feedback and the more of us that send a message the better of our chances of the USPS continuing to mail vape mail.

If you vape and you do not send a message you're a part of the problem and not a part of the solution!

We must act now and flood the USPS with messages requesting that they please continue to mail vape products.

It's now or never guys. We have to fight like we've never fought before!

Do NOT think, "Well if everyone else is sending messages it will be ok if I don't." That is NOT ok!

The more messages we send the better are chances of making a difference and the better chances that the USPS WILL continue to mail vape mail!

ACT NOW!

Share this message and the link EVERYWHERE relevant and ask as many people as possible to please send a message requesting that the USPS please continue to mail vape mail!

Right now the ball is in our court and we can convince the USPS to continue mailing our vape mail!

SEND A MESSAGE OR FOREVER LOSE THE ABILITY TO ORDER VAPE PRODUCTS ONLINE AND HAVE THEM DELIVERED TO YOUR HOME!!!!!!!!!!!

https://casaa.org/call-to-action/usps-vape-mail-ban-comment/

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29 points
 
by Dizkriminatedover 4 years ago

USPS honestly doesn't have much say in the matter.

They're legally mandated to do something about the terror that is allowing adults to buy vape products online without having to pay the markup inherent to a Brick & Mortar store.

Luckily, this doesn't affect Business to Business shipments, just Business to Consumer.

You'd have far more luck convincing your local Brick & Mortar stores to start stocking nicotine base & flavorings, however you should still be able to buy flavorings online without problem.

10 points
 
by xBlack_Yoshixover 4 years ago

USPS has opened up this line of communication because they are genuinely interested in our feedback. The only thing that it would cause the USPS to have to do is file a lot of extra paperwork in order to be able to deliver vape mail.

We still have a fighting chance and the USPS can continue to deliver vape mail if their willing to go through the extra work to abide by the regulations that they must abide by.

This message encouraging consumers to contact the USPS has been provided to me by several manufacturers. So you can trust that the possibility still exists that they will continue to deliver our vape mail. Please send a message!

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From CASAA.org

The USPS is genuinely seeking feedback and suggestions regarding unforeseen and unavoidable consequences that may result from the new rule. There are questions of accuracy involving language and weights-and-measures, as well as how USPS will determine which packages to reject. Although answers to these questions may not change the ban on shipments of vapor products to consumers, it is vital that we are engaged.

Sharing your experience with switching to vaping or other smoke-free products provides context for officials that isn’t shown in “the data” or offered by supporters of harsh regulations. Your comments add weight to the evidence showing how successful safer alternatives to smoking can be – given the right balance of control and access. Just as this is true for your comment to the USPS, it applies to all opportunities for sharing your experience to a permanent, official record.

11 points
 
by Pravus_Beluaover 4 years ago

Also from CASAA (same page, Faq):

>Can we undo this?

>>At the moment, CASAA is not aware of any legislation that would undo the shipping ban enacted by the Trump Administration. In fact, the current law was enacted with bipartisan support.

I am not trying to be unnecessarily cynical, but we can't forget that the mail ban wasn't the only thing they did. Vaping products are now subject to the PACT Act.

From CASAA faq:

>Can't vapers and businesses just use other carriers? >>Additionally, the shipping of vapor products is only one part of the problem created by this legislation. Including vapor products into the PACT Act subjects them to a number of expensive and burdensome regulations overseen by the ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives). And while some large online retailers and manufacturers are working on shipping solutions, the new law will likely make online sales directly to consumers virtually impossible for most small vaping businesses.

So, even if we did somehow 'undo' the mail ban (which I don't see how since they're mandated to by law now), it still wouldn't overcome the other nail in the coffin.

4 points
 
by yebat_kopatover 4 years ago

Wow, it was part of the budget bill, Trump didn't enact it any more than he "enacted" the federal budget. I don't get why people try to spin stuff like this to spin a narrative. People read crap like that and think "Ooo Trump enemy of vaping," and then don't pay any attention while democrats pass budgets that inexplicably ban vape mail, and push politicians that campaign on banning vaping. You can hate Trump all you want CASAA I don't care, but facts matter (and the fact is there's only a tiny handful of politics on our side, neither party is).

0 points
 
by xBlack_Yoshixover 4 years ago

We still have a fighting chance. It's going to be up to the USPS if they feel that it's worth it to do all the necessary work on their part to be able to continue to mail vape mail such as submitting documentation for every shipment of vape mail that they deliver to consumers.

I feel strongly that the USPS would not have opened this line of communication if there was zero possibility of them being able to continue to deliver vape mail.

The loss of postage that they would otherwise receive is going to make a huge impact on the revenue that they need to operate.

If enough of us flood them with e-mails we may not see a future in which the USPS no longer delivers vape mail.

Don't give up! Send a message!

3 points
 
by Tabbooover 4 years ago

>USPS has opened up this line of communication because they are genuinely interested in our feedback

lol.

3 points
 
by PizzleR0tover 4 years ago

>USPS has opened up this line of communication because they are genuinely interested in our feedback.

They've opened it up because they're legally required to. Sorry but I just have zero faith in anything the federal government does anymore.

2 points
 
by karddeover 4 years ago

Out of curiosity, let’s say I started my own vape company LLC based out of my house. Would USPS ship to me?

0 points
 
by Dizkriminatedover 4 years ago

That's a question that I would bring to a lawyer that is licensed to practice in your area, as there might be local regulations that prevent running a business out of a residential address.

However, I'd say this looks like a solid potential loophole.

5 points
 
by jamescarroll1988over 4 years ago

Done and done. Hopefully they listen and can figure something out. Now we need to all message our senators and representatives to get vaping out of the pact act

4 points
 
by xBlack_Yoshixover 4 years ago

Thank you so much!!!!! You are AWESOME!!!!

4 points
 
by DoomBotQover 4 years ago

Done. Many more need to send this message to them. And personalize it.

4 points
 
by strugglzover 4 years ago

Guess it's time to pretend to be a vape store.

2 points
 
by muaellebeeover 4 years ago

Think that's a legit workaround? Create a sole proprietorship as a vape store? I wonder what kind of regulations come with a vape store, specifically? Also, would that mean that we could order premade juices for "resale"? Can't believe I didn't even consider this!

1 points
 
by strugglzover 4 years ago

Apply for a tobacco license in your state and follow state and federal guidelines for the sale of said products. The license usually involves a yearly fee for renewal.

Edit: What's the worst that can happen? They say no? Tell you that you have no business applying for such a license?

2 points
 
by subdude1979over 4 years ago

Done.

2 points
 
by poopymurdockover 4 years ago

Done!

2 points
 
by RumPirate613over 4 years agoMissing One Flavor

Just curious as to what the argument against a congressional act to ban the free travel of a controlled substance and it’s hardware through a government agency would be?

2 points
 
by joeblowmaover 4 years ago

Could always go with a classic deal with the government's right hand argument

> No. No. It's not true. I'll never join you. You're not my father.

Careful though, it might wind up costing an arm.

2 points
 
by RumPirate613over 4 years agoMissing One Flavor

Want to elaborate?

1 points
 
by joeblowmaover 4 years ago

Sure. A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away... all there was was denial in the face of uncomfortable facts.

See the Frequently Asked Questions section in the OP link to the CASAA page if you want the actual answer though, it's pretty well stated there.

2 points
 
by BathedInDeepFogover 4 years ago

Worth a shot. Done and done.

1 points
 
by VorloperisAwesomeover 4 years ago

Done and done, thank you for posting this.

4 points
 
by xBlack_Yoshixover 4 years ago

Thank you soooooo much! YOU ARE AWESOME!

1 points
 
by soupifiedover 4 years ago

!RemindMe 2.5 hours

1 points
 
by Krayzienessover 4 years ago

!RemindMe 3 hours

1 points
 
by LilBearLuluover 4 years ago

Done

1 points
 
by MsEmotions220over 4 years ago

This needs to happen!!!!

1 points
 
by LyLyVover 4 years ago

Done. Thank you

1 points
 
by The_Big_Red89over 4 years ago

Think of how much money usps will lose due to this

1 points
 
by nonameforyou1234over 4 years ago

They have to follow the law. This is delusional.

1 points
 
by Zetroid_over 4 years ago

Done, definitely worth a shot and thank you for sharing this. I'll be sure to pass it along to my friends who would also be greatly effected, this really is unfortunate.

Cheers

1 points
 
by JLShinnover 4 years ago

I have sent both letters. It does not take much time to formulate a letter to UPS and the one to CONGRESS is already filled out all you have to do is fill in your information. Everyone should send this.

1 points
 
by bigwilleyover 4 years ago

Sent them and it took 10 minutes.

1 points
 
by TwistedBee785over 4 years ago

Ok I sent mine!!

1 points
 
by FictorFictoriousover 4 years ago

Create a sole proprietorship as a vape store? I wonder what kind of regulations come with a vape store, specifically? Also, would that mean that we could order premade juices for "resale"? Can't believe I didn't even consider this! Apply for a tobacco license in your state and follow state and federal guidelines for the sale of said products. The license usually involves a yearly fee for renewal.

Edit: What's the worst that can happen? They say no? Tell you that you have no business applying for such a license?

-1 points
 
by theBigDaddioover 4 years agoMixologist

Again let’s thank all the vapers that voted for Trump.

1 points
 
by ChilliWillikersover 4 years ago

You misspelled "Feinstein".

3 points
 
by theBigDaddioover 4 years agoMixologist

Who signed it as a thank you to big tobacco?

1 points
 
by ChilliWillikersover 4 years ago

That's very disingenuous given the actual scenario where this was shoehorned into a "must-pass" omnibus spending bill. But please do remain partisan in all things.

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