As I am eating soft vanilla ice cream I'm wondering why in the hell does not a single flavor company Ive tried got that profile down, the flavor profile is not complex in any way, just a creamy bright vanilla, yet every single flavoring I got was either peppery, had a spiced taste, a brown sugar taste or something completly off. I have tried CAP, TFA, FA, HS, LB, FW and liked none of those, I just dont get it how such an easy profile is baffled up by every single company!
Maybe because none of these were designed to vape. Eating something is very different from heating and inhaling it. Since it looks like you have the flavors try this.
Ice Cream Trinity by u/eyemakepizza
• 5% LB Vanilla Ice Cream
• 1.5% TFA Vanilla Swirl
• 0.75% HS French Vanilla Ice Cream
I have tried it and absolutly hate it, HS FSIC is horrible and taste nothing like a vanilla ice cream and LB is peppery
Well that sounds like a personal problem then. Everyone's taste buds are different. There are tons of flavors that people gush over that I find absolutely horrid. Tasting pepper in some vanilla flavors is pretty common. Best thing I can tell you is to keep working on your recipe till you find one that works for you.
I mean do people really get a nice vanilla ice cream flavor out of this or they just like to pretend? I guess I need to go my own route and maybe just dont use vanilla ice cream flavorings to get there, so far it seems like some.marshmallows and whipped cream are closer to the profile that i am looking for, without the creamy taste tho
I think people "kind of settle" for halfway decent liquids tbh... I've been vaping 7 yrs as of Feb 28th...I've mixed at least two thousand recipes, my own but mostly the popular diy mixers. I'd say 30/70 split. I've also lived in 3 different states and got to know several shop owners and mixers, and was a "tester " for their mixes. I've probably tried around 4 or 5 thousand liquids, no exaggeration. Even with "commercial" liquids I wouldn't buy 99 out of 100 of them. I dont get me wrong I love diy, and maybe I'm just a picky fucker but I've liked and would buy or make about 20 of those liquids again. In the 5+ yrs I've been diying I've still yet to find any DIY recipe that I like as well and the 10 or so commercial liquids that I buy. I think diy or just liquid making in general takes skill and knowledge but I think those absolutely banging liquids you find once in awhile happen out of luck more than skill... but I'm just 1 person and i know I'm not the norm, like i said i may just be a very picky fucker...
I think the reason it's so hard to replicate because there is so much more to ice cream than just the flavor of it. There's the sweetness of it, the texture, the way it melts in your mouth and slightly changes flavor. The way it goes from being cool to warm, and if it's not just vanilla but something like rocky road than your have the additional complexity of having different flavors combine in your mouth.
It's not just ice cream either. For instance a sweet cream flavor. It's full bodied yeah and has a decent flavor but have you ever compared it to the real thing side by side? They're nothing alike.
Tldr: replicating ice cream is hard because vaping it is way different than eating it.
I dont mean the texture of it and everything, i know that wont be duplicated with vaping, Im just talking about the flavor profile here and yeah none of the flavorings got it right. Youve talked about heavy cream, pretty much the same here, never got a decent one and im not talking about the mouthfeel and everything, just the flavor, it is just never right, they always add spices or brown sugar taste for no damn reason
Same for me and raspberry, I can find some that are close but never bang on. No matter how close they get to the molecular structure of the flavor they're trying to duplicate, even if its exact it's seldom the same because of the other things they make the flavor complete. Like with raspberry its tannins and I'm assuming ice cream is along the same vein. My favorite is cap vanilla bean ice cream but it's no where close to what actual vanilla bean ice cream tastes like.
Have you tried building one from the ground up?
- FA Vanilla Bourbon
- FLV Cream
- TFA Whipped Cream (airiness)
- OOO Vanilla Marshmallow (texture)
Have you single flavor tested LB VBIC @ 1-2 % ? I find most recipes use it too high, could be giving you the nasty offnote. (although many people had the same issue with TFA VBIC)
Some also use the new TFA Custard, FA Prem or other favs in low amounts to fill out the base layer
You're in luck cos this weeks episode of Noted is all about vanilla Ice cream flavours! SSA Ice Cream Vanilla is apparently supposed to be a good one for pepper tasters. It's not the same as SSA Ice Cream though, which I've heard isn't nearly as good.
If you taste pepper, try mixing FLV vanilla pudding and FA madagascar. Add in INW custard or VT pudding base to flesh it out with a "mealy" taste.
I'm a pepper taster and also a self proclaimed picky fucker.
FA Madagascar to me is one of the worst pepper vanilla's. I get pepper/spice from all the same vanilla's that OP mentioned and more.
FLV Vanilla Pudding is simply amazing. It's not vanilla bean icecream, but no pepper, anise or spice either. Relatively light to medium levels of vanilla.
The only vanilla icecream I've found that doesn't taste spicy to me in any way is VTA French vanilla icecream. TFA's Vanilla Swirl also doesn't taste like pepper to me if that counts.
For a soft serve profile I'd go with something like:
-2-3% TFA Vanilla Swirl for that typical soft serve note as I don't think there's anything else that comes close to that.
-2% FLV Vanilla pudding for mouthfeel/cream and reinforcing the vanilla.
-2% VTA FVIC for the vanilla icecream part.
-0.2% WS-23 and some sweetener of choice.
YMMV, good luck and have fun, this is what you signed up for.
There is a really good vanilla icecream component to one of the recipes I use.
The only things that might be creamy in it are: INA biscut 0.75%. CAP butter cream 2%. LA Cream Cheese Icing 2%. TFA barvarian cream 1%. CAP Vanilla Custard 2%. FW cake batter dip 1%. FW Sweet Cream 2.5%.
It also has pyrazine and lemon meringue pie.