Before I start I’d like to say I tried searching my question(in the google search engine deal) and read a few posts and it didn’t really answer my questions.
So I’m pretty new to DIY, got my first order flavors and vg/pg about 2 weeks or so ago and decided to go without nicotine to just get my foot in the door with mixing just to see if the DIY hype was all that(and because of the impending vapocolypse.) Maaaaaaaannnn.. I’ve been missing out, and wasting money! I can’t believe I made around 1,000ml, between 3 recipes, of some of the tastiest juice I’ve ever had, with still half a liter of vg left and around 350ml of pg and a lot of flavors, for $70?!?! What?
Now, I’m ready to make the leap into nicotine as I see this is going to become a hobby of mine and I’m done buying commercial juice. I’m making my second order of flavors and vg/pg to make a few more recipes I’ve picked out and get some base stocked up. I’ve read quite a few posts here on nicotine and have gotten the hint to steer away from river supply nicotine. So I guess my question would be this, where does everyone here, preferably some way more experienced mixers than myself, get there nicotine from and why? And also I’m having a hard time deciding between 100mg/ml and 48mg/ml, and also which base it should be with, vg or pg? And why? What does the difference in the strengths make? Which is more versatile for a noob? I’ll state that I lean more towards the higher side for vg preference, 80/20 and up usually, I’d like my bottles of fluid to have 3mg, but I also make for my brother who smokes 6mg. I’d just like a little guidance.
And also thank everyone in this sub, and especially the mods! You run a hell of a sub!! You guys have made this whole process so easy, mostly anything I could’ve asked was answered and linked, nice and easy to navigate. Simply awesome, thanks guys.
Liquid Nicotine Wholesalers
100mg/ml in PG
100 because it's more cost effective.
Thanks for the quick reply! I understand that completely. They can both be stored the same right? In the freezer? The vg/pg difference I mean. Why in pg also?
Pg is thinner so it's easier to make sure your nic is mixed well. I would only do vg nic if you absolutely want max vg. Especially if you keep it in the fridge or freezer it will be even harder to make sure its mixed well. Also I am really picky with nic and I only use nude nicotine. I highly recommend them.
100mg/ml especially since you’re mixing for you brother too. Use this calculator (sorry, can’t link here) liquidbarn DOT com/pages/vape-apocalypse-calculator?_pos=1&_sid=883e20849&_ss=r and place your order size, (usually ml). Buy a bunch of these https://www.berlinpackaging.com/glass-boston-round-bottles-w-polycone-lined-phenolic-cap/ enough to decant your order, and one of these https://www.berlinpackaging.com/search.php?search_query_adv=Dripper+caps for your working bottle. Everything stays in the freezer except your working bottle. As your bottle gets low, take a bottle from your freezer, allow it to thaw, then that’s your new working bottle. PG nic is just better (easier to use), if you get it strong like 100mg/ml you will have no problems hitting your target ratio if you are diluting to 3mg for you and 6mg for your bro
Yoo thanks so much for breaking that down! Although I have been using Vapecommunity calc just for that function and have been pretty satisfied! So how long does nic stay good out of the freezer? Should I only keep say a 60-100 ml out at a time? And in the freezer?
60ml working bottle is fine in my opinion. Just keep it in a cool dark place. Out of the freezer it should be fresh until the whole bottle is used. You’re thinking too hard about this. I have had whole 60ml bottles stay fresh for 6 months out of the freezer with no oxidation. I’ve got like 7 years of nic in my freezer just sitting there.
Yea I totally am hahaha I tend to overthink a lot. But I really just wanna do this right the first time so I don’t have to go back and make more than a couple orders online. I’m about to get a gallon of 100pg 100mg/ml to have saved up, now I understand the decanting into different containers to not have to keep going in and out of the freezer all the time, but why amber bottles? Will regular glass make it oxidize faster? If they’re absolutely needed they will be ordered tomorrow! Thanks for taking the time!
I personally use all my products in PG, as I often mix with THC products and they will separate if you use them with VG. It still lets you get high VG blends when you mix, just also opens up the possibility to use them for more projects. Personally I like the 100mg/ML, its easier to measure, especially if you do 100ML batches. Want 6mg add 6 ML. There really is no difference in the 48 and the 100 besides strength so get whichever you prefer to use. Lower nic can be good if you are making smaller batches. Make sure you get plenty of accessories, Bottles, beakers, gloves, pipettes etc. if you would like some help with anything feel free to let me know I would be glad to help in any way I can. I also make videos if you would like a visual reference. I hope that you enjoy mixing and welcome you to the subreddit. Hope you have a great day!!! :)
I really appreciate it! Now that I think about it the pg was definitely easier to work with than the vg, makes since to use pg nic. And man I do actually have some questions about the thc addition!! That’s pretty awesome!!
First off, let me say, Welcome to the DIY community! Second, don't be afraid to ask for help! Most of the folks on here and at the forums at both ATF and especially ELR are great! Friendly and quick to answer, most of the time.
Now, I'll probably be vilified for saying this but: I get 100% VG nic 100mg/ml from River Supply. It's Pure Nic brand and I have had no issues with it. I get the small bottle of it, I think it's 250 ml, I'm not sure, off hand. I store it on my dining room table, out of direct sunlight, in a temperature controlled room.
I started with Liquid Nicotine Warehouse's house brand nicotine and it gave me dry sinuses and nose bleeds!
I've not had any problems with the Pure Nic stuff. I use VG because I, like you, prefer a higher VG percentage and find it easier to stick to that without added PG from the nicotine.
I don't have any problems mixing everything together, either. I place my finished product, with lids on, closed tight, in a warm water bath for a few minutes to thin the whole thing, then shake the shit out of it. Easy, peasy!
Yooo thanks for the welcome!! Everyone else I’ve had contact with in this sub has been extremely helpful and super nice! Really one of my favorite subs on Reddit! And no shit?? Well I’m definitely gonna hold off on getting a gallon of nic until I try around and see if I develop the same symptoms! I’m going to try LNW’s 120ml bottle and see how it does me! And see I was really wondering if I should go with vg for that very issue, I think I’ll end up getting a 120 of both vg and pg both at 100mg to see which I will end up going with. I’m not really sure how true it is but i thought I’ve read somewhere that nic based from pg doesn’t have as much of a taste as nic from vg. Like I said idk how true that is cuz to me that doesn’t really make sense?? But I’m also new as fuck to this and don’t know all the science to it yet.
If I remember correctly, the nicotine I received from LNW was PG based. The stuff I use now is VG based and I haven't noticed much of a taste from either one. I WILL say the VG does have a slight tobacco-y scent but no taste to be sure of. PG is a better carrier for flavors so I don't know why they say VG nic has more of a taste...😕😂
That was my thought exactly. I believe it was just a comment someone had left, not any credible source, so I’ll forget I even read that! Thanks for your input bro for real! I’m probably gonna end up giving river supply nic a go sometime soon!
One more question tho, I’m placing orders tomorrow to get second batch of flavors, base, and nic, I’m already having to order from 2 different websites as the flavors are coming from bull city and nic is gonna come from LNW, both have vg and pg, but LNW is a few bucks cheaper than bull city, but I don’t want to opt out for the cheaper stuff just because it’s cheap, I had amazing results from bull city’s base, is there a difference in the base coming from LNW vs BC? If you’ve ordered from there that is.