I'm trying to recreate a tobacco flavor with a slight maple note. This type of flavor is what helped me quit the stankys years ago. Vuse had a flavor like this called "Original" when the Alto device came out, but they have changed the recipe and that maple flavor isn't there anymore. I've read they were using Torque 56 from Halo (discontinued now), which I never tried and just repackaging it with nic salt.
So far I've tried various FLV tobacco flavors at various percentages along with FA Maple Syrup but it's just not working out. Anybody got any ideas? Supposedly this is a "classic" flavor.
Edit: Thanks for help everyone! My recipe, for anyone that cares, will be :
CAP Caramel - 1% FA Glory - 2% FA Maple Syrup 1.5%
Might consider adding FW waffle cone at .50 - .75% to see how it works with FA Maple
Last edit: My above recipe didn't really pan out. I've tried quite a few recipes since this post...Maple Art by Fear takes the cake in regards to what I wanted. Thank you u/yizarion. Don't really know why I didn't flat out try this recipe when it was mentioned, but yeah, Fear is the man and this is pretty much what I wanted. Try Maple Art and you won't be disappointed.
Have you tried Maple Art by Fear?
It is a bit on the cigar side, but that maple note is emphasized. Perhaps try combining maple with a bit of caramel to "pop" that sweetness and depth.
I haven't tried the ejuice you mentioned so I am not sure where you lean to in terms of tobacco style. FLV Cured and Red Burley are more on the realistic side of tobacco leaves, so IMO they are less suited to be used solely for non-cigar-like tobaccos (excluding desserts).
As other suggested in this thread, RY4 might suit here as you can "borrow" that caramel note from it. Hope this helps.
Go watch the noted tobacco episode where they cover the TPA and fw baccos. Find the ones they say have a maple taste. That’s probably it. That juice you’re trying to ‘imitate’ was likely made with that flavor + tpa maple + sweetener
Edit: try fw american USA blend. They sell it at flavor jungle
Have you tried Inawera Dessert Voyager ?
INW Desert Voyager- sort of like an RY4 flavor, but leans more towards maple syrup than caramel. Pretty strong stuff, so start around 1%.
Haven’t tried that but definitely will now. Thanks
Edit: Seems like it’s available pretty much nowhere. Blah
Why don't you order directly from them ?
shipping is not that expensive
https://www.inawera.com/tabacco-desert-voyager-flavour-10-ml-p-1058.html
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I agree that FA Glory is a solid choice for "light and nutty", with FA Soho being a less nutty cousin that's very flexible by itself and with other flavors. Along with caramel, you seem to be on the right track. I've dabbled in this area, so I'll throw in my two cents...
Tobaccos - You have a nice collection of FLV tobaccos, and many in this sub agree that they own the 'modern' tobacco flavor market - their tastes, SnV-bility, and potency - most seem to shine at well below 2%. There is one, FLV Oriental Tobacco, that is distinctly nutty. I'd also call it a bit more 'neutral' than the other FLV tobaccos.
You seem to be chasing what I call an 'old school' tobacco profile which, for me, tends to revolve around FA/FW/HS/INW tobaccos with FA/TPA/CAP additives. Besides FA Glory, INW 555 Gold and HS No. 5 fall into that distinctly nutty category. For more neutral, I'd consider FA Soho, HS Turkish Blend, HS Desert Ship - all of which are extremely forgiving from 3-7%. I like these as "light" neutral-ish bases, upon which you can throw, say, 0.25-1% of one of your FLV tobaccos to punch up that tobacco note, if desired. Then, the rest of the supporting cast...
Additives - I remember purchasing several American/USA house blends at vape shops 4-5 years ago that all had that distinct maple note - isuamadog alluded to this earlier. I agree that caramel is likely part of that profile - e.g. when I push CAP Caramel or FW Salted Caramel, I get maple notes. Also keep 'less is more' in mind - perhaps take that FA Maple Syrup down to even sub-1%, especially as you incorporate caramel. As you said, "slight maple taste." Butterscotch is another cousin to this maple-ish profile, but I don't have much in the way of butterscotch in my arsenal. Most of the aforementioned tobaccos - especially the nuttier ones - already have enough Acetyl Pyrazine, so I won't delve into that.. but it's great to have AP in your toolbox at some point for fine-tuning nutty notes.
As to creaminess, I'd recommend some TPA or FA Marshmallow, which should also help bridge the maple/caramel with the tobacco. I also find that a touch of INW Shisha Vanilla can provide a nice creamy note, without getting into actual full-on creams. And lastly, especially with these older school (non-FLV) tobaccos, don't forget steeping. Cheers and good luck!
Very nice well thought out reply. Thanks for the time you put into writing this.
You definitely seem to have the flavor I'm chasing in mind, which is exciting. I'll start low with the FA Maple and slowly go up. Already have some INW Shisha Vanilla on hand..would you recommend that with FA Glory and CAP Caramel or the Marshmallow? ..or both? I'll have to order the Marshmallow. I'm pretty much all ears.
I find marshmallow to be incredibly versatile. Many mention mouthfeel and/or body, which I agree with, but it can also add a hint of vanilla, sweetness, and/or creaminess. I use it in a lot of my tobacco mixes, and a touch of marshmallow can also smooth out the high notes in a fruit blend. The Noted crew just reupped marshmallow last month.. I haven't yet delved into the FLV or OOO marshmallows, which seem to be the latest popular kids on the block.
So, even though marshmallows typically have vanilla notes, I don't really put MM in the same category as an INW Shisha Vanilla, which is just that - straight up vanilla.. and pretty rich at that. But, at a low %, I find it can add a slight creaminess to tobaccos without the vanilla or richness dominating. Either way, with INW Shisha Vanilla and CAP Caramel, you can tinker with RY mixes.
I'd single flavor test the FA Glory to see if and where you like it. It's good by itself - perhaps add some sweetener. I find it blends well with FLV Red Burley, so I'd tinker to find a tobacco base that you like. Yeah, the Maple Art by Fear recipe linked earlier looks like a good path and one where you can work in FA Glory. Someone also mentioned brown sugar - another good suggestion if the maple syrup and caramel don't quite get you there.
Me, I like to create 5ml SFTs of the helper flavors (caramel, maple, vanilla), which I then slowly add to the RBA that has my tobacco base. When something clicks, I then whip up a 10ml with two flavors, then three, etc. But that's me - I dig the iterative journey. The rabbit holes in this hobby never end.. for better and for worse :-)
I'd try ry4, it doesn't have a maple note per se, but it is a classic - more of a caramel vanilla tobacco blend... But the notes are similar, and it's a single ingredient mix so no worries on percentages on multiple notes
What specifically isn't working out? The FLV tobaccos or the FA maple syrup do you think? Which of their tobaccos have you tried?
Edit,
Cool. Good talk!
Sorry I honestly didn't see this comment haha. I've tried their Virginia, Red Burley, Kentucky Blend, Connecticut Shade, Sweet and Smokey, Arabian and Turkish. All from 1% to 4%. Then I threw in FA maple from 1 - 5%. The maple is close, but the tobaccos are far off.
The maple needs something extra to make it more creamy and I think the caramel mentioned here will do that. The tobacco needs to be light and nutty. Most of what I’ve tried are pretty harsh