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Big tobacco wins again.... fml
Don't forget the other villain in this: Big Pharma. They've been killing alternatives to their smoking cessation products (patches, gum, drugs, etc.) for a long time.
And, of course, state governments after larger Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement payments.
BTW: The tobacco companies have invested in vaping, both manufacture & online retail (RJ Reynolds own South Beach Smoke & vaporfi.com, for example).
Welp.. trying not to vent to much here.. but I fucking quit... Ima start slowing down all together and just stop. I'm tired of jumping though loops holes all the fucking time (I moved to a legal recreational cannabis state just to stop being a being seen as a fucking criminal and smoke in peace) and now this bull-shit..
Y'all please don't start smoking cigarettes again... I'm really proud of y'all. Seriously, I am. It's been fun. Soon we'll come up with something else cool that they'll want to make a quick buck off of and ruin it too. ( shit, look at gaming, that's another stab in the back that's neither here nor there )
Peace
Cant we just use ups or is that banned now as well?
Prices are probably going to skyrocket. Not just for shipping to our homes, but for the store owners who need supplies shipped to their own warehouses, so added the costs will be passed down to consumers most likely.
That combined with the fact that every single one of the local vape shops here in Queens, NY has closed, means I'm just going to start tapering down too till I run out of my supplies, then that's it for me. This is very sad.
Do what they want you to do - that'll show em.
What, stop spending money on nicotine in general, therefor not giving them any money? Yeah I'm sure that's what they want.
So what do you think the goal of putting restrictions on vaping is? To make it easier, or harder for you to vape? Government said "this activity is bad", and you said "ok I won't do it anymore daddy."
You're acting like you're the winner and I guess I'm just not seeing it.
I've been hoarding consumables for a while now. But if I hadn't, the message would be loud and clear: You have 120 days to ~~master~~ get proficient with rebuildables!
Once you do get good at it the cost effectiveness is pretty spectacular. Start with a large RDA with plenty of space to work, and you can even start with prebuilt coils and work your way up to wrapping your own. A coil jig is highly suggested although not required for wrapping your own coils. You can buy lots of cotton too and stock up for quite a while.
Sigh. Stock up. I think I kill 3-4 mods a year.
I wouldn't worry about mods. You will still be able to order from other countries. Fasttech already lies on all their packages so you don't get nailed with custom fees. Your mods will just be labeled as flashlight or some other shit like my RTAs that come listed as "pipe fittings".
This just sucks for US companies and does nothing but damage an already damaged economy.
> I think I kill 3-4 mods a year.
How? What do you do that kills them so quickly?
not OP, but I just killed my lost vape - drone BF by dropping it for the third time on wooden floors from my pocket, this time while working on fitting some built-in wardrobes for myself. sigh.
the first time I dropped it, the top plastic (surrounding the 510 fitting) came off from all three screws and smashed in half
second time, the front casing which holds the buttons broke off. I've been using tape to keep it on for now
and this time the rest of the case smashed, pulling the screen out, along with the top plastic part which was only held in two by my hellvape aequitas rda
it still works I guess, but I don't want to have the screen dangling only by a ribbon
unless lost vape sells replacement plastic housing for a drone bf 250c, I'm likely going to have to just dump the working dna 250c board & screen. kinda sad/wasteful
I kill a lot of mods. only workhorse has been the original aegis, the one with the huge single battery, but I need 2 bat mods bc I hate having to charge shit
Suddenly the stockpile I ended up with because of PMTA doesn't seem so foolish...
>Yup. If every regulated mod i stocked against the PMTA lasts just 1 year (as in 365 non-consecutive days of use), i'll probably have died before needing to rely exclusively on mechs. After news of the new regs came out, i used holiday sales to get 1 more regulated, 1 more unregulated, and 1 more mech anyway. And there's probably 2 lifetimes supply of nic in the freezer. Paranoia is an expensive condition.
Sigh. Guess I’ll just quit all together.
I'm with you big dog.
There once was something I enjoyed doing but Government made it harder so I think instead of standing up for what's right I'm going to just bow to their will. Ho hum.
Not really. This was big tobacco’s doing. They want people back on cigarettes and smokeless tobacco. Vaping was cutting into their profits. You don’t mess with big tobacco. I’ll never smoke a cigarette. I did dip snuff though. So BT can stick it. I’m just bowing out.
Maybe I'm being overly optimistic but as far as vape gear I find it hard to believe that I'm not going to be able to get it shipped from China. If they'll sell me fake watches, wallets, clothes, and Legos, the vast majority of which sail through customs, I don't see chinese suppliers suddenly drawing the line at vape gear. Will likely make it less convenient and maybe more expensive but I feel like I'll get by.
It's still incredibly annoying to see the government try to make my habit/hobby illegal.
Not looking forward to potentially going to sketchy Chinese nic when my large supply runs dry but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.
HiLiq nic is pretty good. But I wouldn't trust the transport.
Chinese companies can just "mislabel" shipments to slide through customs.
Oh, for sure. Fasttech lies on the customs declarations now when all the stuff is legal. Hopefully they'll just keep shipping all my "electronics components" and "pipe fittings" to the US.
If the demand is there some enterprising folks in China will step up even if the big players don't.
We may see a drop in innovation and new products if US demand drops but I'd be more than content with simple solid stuff.
DHL customs in China denied my shipment to Japan from HiLiq. Sent it back to the vendor. This has happened another time from a shipment from another place in China. Had to get my stuff from another shipper
No doom and gloom needed. Private couriers still exist. FastTech still exists.
Local shops still exist.
At least until state laws, regulations, and taxes kill the ones that survive the current double-damage of covid closures & increased shipping costs. Or the FDA rejects every PMTA application they got not from a major corp. like Altria (and they will, one way or another). Or the government requires a prescription to get vape stuff (made by big pharma, of course).
And how do local shops get their stock delivered?
So what does this actually mean for US vapers? I know it seems like a dumb question. Im assuming everything is going to be more expensive?
Pretty much, if you can afford it you need to stock up on ALL components you need for liquid and mods/tanks/rdas, etc within 120 days
And if I cant afford to buy a 1 year supply of everything? Am I stuck buying 0mg juice and adding nicotine to it?
If you can find some, sure. But yeah, nic, and consumable parts should be priority (imo). Vg/pg/flavors can be obtained from various sources.
I’m in the same boat, this $600 we’re getting outta this deal isn’t enough to fix my past-dues. So I’m not gonna be able to stock up. What I’ve got is it.
Good luck... we’re all gonna need it
Idk why I cant post my screenshot but trump said very clear that he will sign the bill but there is several things he will have removed.so let's light up the switch boards its not over yet....absolutely noone can give up yet.....if this dosent get ppl on thw sidelines to WAKE UP AND FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS then idk wtf will!!!!
They can’t stop plain VG and PG. Nor flavorings since they are used for other things. Right???? Fuck I hope so
That is true, you can get PG/VG from Amazon, and candy flavoring sellers are one route as well.
The major hurdle to DIY will be base nicotine once UPS gets shut down, and you can be sure the "truth" initiative will go after UPS once the last of the big 3 shippers (UPS, USPS and Fedex) is still holding out. DHL and other shippers don't usually do "last mile" deliveries.
Right on this is what I was hoping. But I wonder if popular flavoring sites will get pressured into shutting down, or change for lack of business once this all takes hold. I know I could still order direct from flavoring manufacturers, but it’s nice to have a hub to get everything at once.
As for nic, a lot of us might just have to get ok with zero mg. Rn all my mixes are super low nic (0.75mg) but I still think zero will be tough.
I don't think legit candy making supply places will ever get shut down. Those exist, it's the reason vapers have flavors to begin with.
I'm only at 3mg freebase/30-35mg salts, but I'm buying at least a couple extra liters of 100mg/ml freebase before the USPS shutdown.
Good luck to you and good luck to us all.
They could stop us from getting vg, pg, flavors, and/or batteries easily enough -- it wouldn't require an outright ban -- but if that happens at all it probably won't be right away. Depends on how much profit big pharma feels it's losing from DIYers.
How would that be feasible since those things all have well established other uses? The flavoring companies I like to use all existed for candy/dessert making long before vaping was a thing. VG/PG are in a ton of cosmetics. Batteries are self-explanatory.
Looks like BATTERIES, bare metal wire that has potential to be used as a coil, open tube glass of certain sizes, sheet metal, rubbers and plastics, resins, adhesives/epoxies, digital screens, springs, electronic buttons, silicon boards, resistors, capacitors, inductors, transistors, circuit tracing metals, photolithography equipment, conformal coat, LEDs, Microprocessors, any computer or device which can program any ICs, milling machines and lathes, glass making equipment, crucibles and foundry equipment (you should probably be nice and NOT order a metal foundry via mail anyway for the sake of your mail persons sanity 😀), 3D printers and all materials associated with it, etc....
Shall we go on..? Some of this is obviously "pushing it" but, in reality, they still fall under this mail ban.
You guys get fucked so hard by your politicians but instead of protesting this you argue about whether certain colours of people matter or whethers masks and lockdowns stop pandemics and kill each other in the process.