I tried searching for this answer on Google but was unable to find a specific answer. I am using TFA Sweetener at 2.5% in one of my mixes, as a substitute for CAP Super Sweet, which absolutely obliterates my coils within days. I’m wondering if at 2.5%, will my flavours become muted over time in these mixes? The recipe is mostly bakery flavours with a couple Blueberry flavors for more sweetness.
Honestly it depends a little on the recipe but i don't ever use it above 1 percent. Even then for some recipes it can start to overpower things depending. There are other ways to sweeten and brighten flavours such as pear or lemon options that can go a long way without muting. Mind you - i also don't like super sweet juices.
The problem with sweeteners is that a lot of flavorings themselves contain sweeteners, so it quickly piles up. On top of that, VG is inherently sweet. My recommendation is to make a habit of avoiding sweeteners and only indulge yourself on occasion if you still feel the need.
I really do like the taste of sweeteners which Is why I still use it. While I have been DIYing for a couple years now, I’m still transitioning from commercial juices while I fine-tune my mixing abilities. I’m very close to being able to produce recipes that rival some great commercial juices, at which point I may start to tone down on the sweeteners. Until then, I guess I’ll just keep using it - I am very glad to hear that TFA Sweet won’t mute my recipes though, so thanks for that! I was worried. Just mixed up 500ml yesterday and didn’t want it to go to waste.
I wouldn’t mix batches that large because some flavors really do fade. TFA does mute flavors, definitely. What u/duncanyoyo1 posted.
I was going to mention to you earlier today that you might be better off using FW Sweetener because it's just Sucralose, but much less than the amount that Super Sweet has, and none of that citric acid.
Funny you say that, because someone else I replied to just minutes ago said the same thing - To use FW Sweetener. I’ll be picking some up on my next round of flavors for sure to try it out. For now my TFA Sweetener let’s my coils last 2-3 weeks which is great. I’ll just have to keep an eye on my big batch I created yesterday to see if anything gets muted over time.
I switched to ECX sweetener and dropped the percentages down between .5-1.2% depending on the recipe. Same great flavor pop on sweetness without the coil gunking. Seriously, 1% of ecx is equal to 2% of TFA and it doesnt fuck with your cotton or coils
Do you know the difference between the two? Found a thread that said TFA is 5% sucralose and 5% maltol, while ECX is 10% sucralose. Can someone confirm this? If so half the TFA with the ECX would be the same amount of sucralose as TFA but without the maltol. Not associated maltol with gunking in the past, trying to recall if this is an issue with EM too (not same but related) but not sure. Sucralose has always made my coils look like angry mud wrestlers, but could additives/other ingredients be even bigger culprits?
I use it all day at 2%. I havent noticed muted flavors and ill vape those coils for 3+ weeks. Also, i vape like someone who went from a pack or more a day to 3mg nic.
Edit* nic
Are you me? I feel I’m reading into a mirror. Sometimes I’ll vape like 20-30ml a day and really contemplate my life choices. But then I remember I’m only vaping 1.5mg and it somewhat makes me feel better haha
it shouldn't, at least not significantly. tfa sweetener and supersweet are both sucralose in diferent concentrations, afaik the sweetener that mutes flavors is ethil maltol (aka cotton candy), not sucralose.
Sweetener (TFA) does AFAIK consist of Ethyl Maltol, which is why I was asking. Apparently it’s one part sucralose and one part EM, in PG base. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong here, but that’s what I’ve read.
It doesn't contain EM, it contains Maltol.
It's 5% Sucralose and 5% Maltol in PG and Water.
https://shop.perfumersapprentice.com/componentlist.aspx?sku_search=342300
If you want a sweetener that doesn't mute but isn't as strong as Cap Super Sweet, check out FW Sweetener. It's just Sucralose in PG. It's about half as strong as Cap Super Sweet, but still about 2x as strong as the TPA Sweetener.
from tfa site : Ingredients:Propylene Glycol, Water, Sucralose.
Hmm. This is very odd. Here it states that:
> TFA Sweetener is sucralose at 5% with Maltol at 5%. (DIYorDie website article)
What is the truth?!?
EDIT: Maltol is not the same as ethyl maltol. There’s no EM in TFA Sweetener.
I hate using sweetener because set aside what percentage it starts to affect the flavors in different ways but everyone of the sweeteners out there at even 1% they are going to shorten the life of your coils
the sweetener will either caramelize then carbonize on the coil reducing draw and reducing the effectiveness of the coil to give you a good hit causing you to turn up the voltage and that will just speed up the carbonization and the higher voltage will also shorten the coils life significantly
Or the sweetener will accelerate the corrosion of the coil itself this will cause a weaker hit and you will either replace or turn up the voltage till eventually the coil corrodes till it breaks and stops working all together and you then absolutely have to replace it
And in either of those cases the flavor of your blend Will be affected by the coils becoming corroded or covered in carbon
My ultimate suggestion in regards to making a juice sweeter is to find a flavor that’s naturally sweet to either substitute one of the flavors you’re currently using like a lot of companies make a basic strawberry but also make a sweet strawberry flavor Or find a sweet flavor that complements your blend and add a little to that most fruit flavors are naturally sweet
I am going to cut back on sweetener eventually, but as I’ve said in another comment, I’m still transitioning from commercial juices to just vaping my own recipes full time. I still have a little ways to go and so at the moment sweetness is what I’m used to though that will change over time I’m sure. I never use CAP SS anymore because it does just that - Destroys my coils in a day or two. At least with TFA sweetener my coils still last two to three weeks
Sorry i didn’t read down this popped up as a trending thread notification so just threw out my two cents keep making your own juice it’s so much nicer to really know what it is your are inhaling and it’s what will keep vaping alive as the government continue to try to shut it down because they are losing money on tobacco sales
That’s understandable commercial juices can have a lot of sweetener if you want a stronger flavor you might want to try the nicotine salt base liquids they don’t mute flavors like freebase nicotine does and that in itself can make a blend sweeter if you do your going to want to start with small batches the nicotine salt base liquid can require less than half the flavorings needed in freebase
For real? Half? For whatever reason I haven’t read much on doing DIY Salt Nic - Though as far as I understand the process is very similar, but much more nicotine is added, is that correct? I’d have to do some more research on it. If that’s true then I might just make the switch, or at the very least try it out.
If you’re using a sub-ohm device you will want to keep the nicotine salt dose on the lower side like 30mg if you do get one of the salt pod systems then you might want to start a bit higher really that’s going to be your biggest adjustment is finding the right dose for you but that can be fun it’s almost like your starting to vape all over again
It's a really loaded question. Yes, some flavors already have sweetener and some are just weak enough to be muted with the addition of a minimal amount of sucralose. Although one thing I can attest to is :using sucralose is much better than EM... EM tends to mute a lot easier, probably because it has to be diluted and you end up compounding that by adding it to even more diluents
Forewarned I will be off topic but thinking you might want this information.
Reading everything about sweeteners for vaping and remembering how vaping alcohol gets you drunker faster and the fact nicotine also transfer to u. I decided not enough was understood 1. If in fact calories also transfer. Drink enough pop ty. 2. I don't understand it enough compared to normal table sugar and how it can affect my diabetes to use.
I luck out on the few commercial ejuices as most was not to sweet. But the few the obvious used sweetener were very heavy handed and within a week or 3 was to sweet.
So went with the vape version of what I use at home. There is a chart comparing the different sweeteners for vape juices and the sweetness. If I recall correctly stevia is the the runner up for being the sweetest. The top was like 100 times more sweet by the chart.
I read that stevia had a earth like tone to it. Seemed like you had to mix it up yourself and then I found premixed from nicotine river. Everything came together and I got my first order from river including stevia. So went experimenting and yes I could see earthly tones or maybe hint of brown sugar. So finally mixed with it a recipe that I created and was shocked. I had at this point only used it right away in recipes and so was first time do so in a repeat. I found out it wasn't giving it just a slightly earth tone and sweetness but radically changing how the flavors interacted and then tasted and added a slight layer of the tone. Yes was sweeter but not that much as I had thought it would. Was at nude nicotine and noticed they had a stevia version 😳 😅 🤣 so curious about how they are different 🤔 I bought some. Only have made like 3 juices so far but cleaner tasting like almost pure sweetness but I have not been able to judge the real sweetness added yet but seems to be a exceptable level so far. For me hasn't really been a issue for the coils or pods. Citrus seems more so sometimes. Nude can buy 5ml sample and river like 2.99 for 15ml. I'll use both and buy both again river be good probably for bakery and desserts maybe teas. Nude the rest. I used river to make 1 of the best granny apple ejuices unfortunately I lost it about 2.5 weeks in so not sure how it aged. Believe it or not but I didn't use a drop of apple either made this other one turned out to be a breakfast grapefruit with fresh sugar on top when cut in half 😋 and at least get the 5ml from nude to sample, also can try there salts in 50ml for cheap and whoever said that freebase hits faster is wrong salts do they pass the brain barrier faster so hit faster and can take a bigger dosage because of the neutral thing. So what I've done is just sometimes replace the nicotine with the salt but vaped the same strength and I do noticed that it satisfy a little bit faster at same level so if I not going to have a lot of chances or time I'll do salt and if going to be super press for time do the max amount I do. So 9 mg instead of the 6mg. I'm still trying to fully quit smoking and part of smoking is taking more then 3 puffs lol. Sorry so long but prone to it. Ask away if u want
Did you find anything of value to the information or was it pointless
Bottom line is, it shouldn’t really mute flavors at all. The only thing that was mentioned repeatedly was that the sweetness can overpower some flavors which could been seen as a muting effect, however you’re likely not to encounter that problem below 2% since TFA Sweetener isn’t as powerful as say, CAP SS.