lately i came across the VTA 'Citrus Mate' and 'Tart Mate', and pondered if theyre any good, since we know most adds are rather lame eg. 'Sour' of That Poor Apprentice or 'Sour-Wiz' and 'MTS' of Flavor fArt - boring stuff.
asking in chat, noone seemed to have used them, theres two SFT 'Lost Notes' at ELR by Frunkster,https://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/221669 and https://e-liquid-recipes.com/flavor/231617 ;but as additives they seem kinda hard to SFT. since I really dig the citric high notes in fruitmixes, I decided to spend those 3 bucks 50 for the learning opportunity - or for the trashbin - and messed some with'em. knowing that usually sherbet, lemonades and sodas are doing the thing, heres my two cents.
VTA Tart Mate:Tart Mate gives a moderate generic citric push in the midrange of it, mean to say, it really supports the tart part and does its job as such. intensity ~7/10, including some bitter-ish notes and not too high flying kick like the tart of a less ripe fuji, it simply helps whatever kind of tart you wanna bring forth in a mix without being too lemony. seems to work well with fruit in cream and bakery too, appears to liven up the often dullish cooked/baked part of the fruit. to my ears its recommendable to simply try a 10ml bottle and see for yourself. maybe you decide you dont need it, maybe it becomes your new go-to for tart mixes.
**VTA Citrus Mate:**Citrus Mate is quite similar to Tart Mate, only it goes higher in the acidic notes and clearly reaches the "sour" part of that scale. again, intensity ~7/10 and less lower bitter notes, it really does help the citric taste of fruit, this time rather like a granny smith or a ripe lime. even though lemonade and sherbet reach higher top notes than this mate, it still might be the kicker in the mix, for it comes with fewer bitter low end, which might suit a mix better if the bitter would throw the mix off balance. again, id recommend getting 10ml and play with it, see if it will be your new mate for citrus.
-for comparison, i would NOT recommend getting the TPA sour or FA sour wiz or MTS or such. rather get something tasty for the bucks. FYI, i read that the VTA "Sour Mate" is just as boring as TFA sour and FA sour wiz, so i skipped that one for i already have enough dead bottles in the shelf.
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and since i was feeling lucky, i went ahead and bought the 'Bake Boost' of Chef's Flavors - for genuine 99ct i decided to give it a shot. and yay, it was a hit!
CF Bake Boost:Bake Boost simply holds up its promise - just like the above VTA mates - as it pushes the typical tastes of baked stuff forward in a more generic way than a flavor would do. intensity ~6/10, it associates the very stuff that happens when you bake or fry something - that which turns brown by the heating process without getting burnt or any bitter offnotes.as SFT it tastes like any non-specific bakery, as in almost cake, almost waffle, almost cookie, almost yellow cake or bisquit, but ALMOST - not specific. and it really seems to enhance the bakery part, although for yellow or angel cake it may be over the top. and once more, I do recommend trying it out in case you happen to order at chefs or can access CF elsewhere. (unlike FA MTS-wizard, again, buy something yum instead; but this bake boost really helps the deep-end-yum of most bakery!)
altogether I feel fully satisfied with all these three, the citrus mate and bake booster sure become staples for me and will find their place in my mixology, hence i assumed such post might be helpful for those who ponder about mates and boosters.
I'll hop in here and fill in some gaps:
CF Brown Boost Off the hand I get a brown sugary overcooked darker caramel type of flavor, bordering on coffee. This is very nice for boosting the "brown" in a recipe that has caramel or even coffee forward. It could also work in some bakery profiles.
I quite like it and could almost vape it solo. But only almost.
CF Berry Boost This one is harder to explain. Hand test is like if you took some raspberry skin and slow cooked it without any sweetener then reduced the water down. It does what it should do adding a bit more non-descript berry-something to a berry mix.
I would only use this with a berry mix that was weak or ghosty. Flavors that leap to mind that could benefit from this would be FLV Red Raspberry and Boysenberry, which I find to be very weak and watery. This might help widen them a bit. Not a lot mind you, it's kind of weak in it's own right.
Worth buying? Maybe. If you are into Berry profiles mainly, then this might be for you. It's not bad it's just not really potent enough to be any kind of game changer.
great, thank you. ima check out the brown boost next order. sounds yum.
its funny how they are something of what they pretend to be, but not fully there so you can direct the taste with a clear flavor of your choice. yet they really do something.
although, i still think theres some nerds who know how to do the same with non-booster stuff. but if youre still looking for the kick, this may be it, even if theyre only "half a taste".
I don't know if it's all about nerd-ism, it's more of a utility that can be used if you really like a flavor but it's missing a dimension. It can help round out and yet not be a distinct flavor that steals the show. You could theoretically fill out a flavor dimensionally by using another flavor but then the change might be too drastic or change the flavor in a way you didn't want.
Basically a berry boost should be a little more "berryness", some taste that all berries share, so it can just boost your flavor of choice a little bit. In that respect the Berry boost is not bad in any way, it's straight up not descript not clearly identifiable as any one berry "something". I really only meant that it's not a "must have" but it does have its uses, specifically weaker flavors that need a boost : )
> which turns brown by the heating process without getting burnt
THaNk YoU for these reviews... I had almost given up completely on Additives!! Luckily, you just happened to hit on the two flavor profiles I was hoping to boost. Your quick notes about which additives had NOT worked in the past was especially helpful (because they hadn’t worked for me either).
If I’m planning to buy VTA Citrus Mate, would you say it’s worth it to pick up Tart Mate as well? Or should I save my bread because the two share a lot of similar properties??
i think its worth trying at least once to know their differencies.
if we set a scale from bitter (0) to top note sour (10) then the tart m8 seems to sit somewhere between 4 and 7, while the citrus m8 sits about 6 to 8,5 or so. if that makes any sense. they cover different ranges of tart and sour, so if you do alot of bakery or cream with tart notes, be that apple or lemony stuff, tart m8 helps to get the fruit through the mix. but it wouldnt be the popper in a citric fruit mix like orange or pineapple. for that you need citrus m8 for tart m8 wont reach up there.
yet, you might find that something else does the same thing for you. if so, let me know ;)