I tried a friend's butterscotch juice (vaproeyes grandpa joes) and it really hit the spot for me. So im trying to create a decadent, creamy butterscotch type vape. My latest attempt is still steeping and becoming more creamy as I vape it but its not quite where I want it to be. Recipe: 1% fw butterscotch 4% fw butterscotch ripple 1% flv cream 1% flv milk and honey 2% tfa bav cream 1% fa custard premium My thinking is the fw butterscotches because they're my fav butterscotch concentrates and ive used that ratio before. Flv cream because it adds a thickened cream note to my mixes. Milk and honey because butterscotch has a similar darkness and would reinforce that note while adding another lighter dairy note. Bav cream because I want this to be decadent and dark and bav cream also reinforces that flavour profile and mouthfeel. Custard premium because its my favourite custard and further thickens up the mouthfeel. I will add some super sweet once I nail the profile down because I've almost run out (maybe 1ml left and don't want to waste it). The butterscotch isn't as deep as I want it to be and, as a whole, its not as saturated as I would like it to be. Help?
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Vape something else. Your tastebuds are broken.
I’m going to steal your recipe, it looks good AF. Add 0.5% CAP New York Cheesecake for more sweet thickness without cheese notes.
Hahaha damn. I was thinking about adding one of my cheesecakes to thicken it up but im trying avoid any bakery notes my dude. I want straight creamy butterscotch. Do you think tfa cheesecake with Graham would be better because of the lighter bakery note in this situation?
Hi. FLV Milk and Honey isn’t milk and honey, no dairy note. It‘s a dark molasses. If you’re trying to craft your own recipe, my starting point would be to single flavor test the flavors I‘m planning to use. I‘m not sure if FA Custard Premium is what I would use, maybe TFA.
Here are 2 recipes, one simple, the other, well, not.
You didn‘t specify if or how long it has steeped. I‘d give it a week or two. And I think what you are missing on saturation can be achieved by adding sweetener. It doesn’t have to be much, but it really makes a difference. Good luck! Now that I‘ve looked at a few recipes, I think I need to mix some up too. I‘m a sucker for custards:)).
I have sft tested milk and honey and it tastes pretty much exactly like the label. A strong dairy note that isn't heavy like a cream or custard and an earthy honey like sweetness. Mouthfeel isn't really heavy either but not thin. Thats crazy that you don't get a dairy note out of it. Maybe my taste buds are broken
I‘m pretty active on Discord and know quite a few mixers and you are the first that has said „he gets milk and honey“from FLV Milk and Honey. It just goes to show how subjective taste is and how our minds are also a part of how perceive flavors. It’s a great dark and sweet flavor to me and works very well with caramel, butterscotch, bakeries. Could be I‘m broken because I don’t get the cream.
I've actually still got my sft bottle at 3% from a couple months ago. Im literally gonna rewick and try it again right now coz you've got me questioning my notes lol. There's definitely a dairy note in there. I get the dark molasses thing for sure but with a dairy. I think its more dairy heavy initially and steeps into the earthy honey type flavour. My day 3 notes have a lot higher dairy than what im getting right now though
I think there better/stinger butterscotch concentrates that you could use to achieve your butterscotchy-ness level... Personally I would start with. FW Butterscotch Natural 4% FLV Butterscotch 2% VT Vanilla Cream (thick mouthfeel) 2% TPA Bavarian Cream 3% LB Ice Cream 3%
(I think FLV Milk & Honey would work well in here at a low%)
There's also FW Butterscotch, FA Butterscotch, VT Sweet Cream, OOO Vanilla Custard Cheesecake, CAP Sweet Cream...🤯 the possibilities!
That's just my 2¢😁👊
Thanks for the help man. I actually have always wanted to know what situation one would use tfa sweet cream. You seem like you're on the money with the creams so I'll ask you. I realise at high %s it can reinforce a cheese note in cheesecakes or yoghurt. But why would you use it over something like flv cream or bav cream or fa Vienna cream? I've seen it used a bit in recipes and never understood why you would choose it as an accent. Its not hugely sweet and it doesn't bring anything better to the table than other options. Thoughts?
I'm not that great with creams although I do have a ton of them... You would just use it for the situation (recipe) that you want... They all have their purpose it's just what YOU want that propose to be in the recipe... Bavarian cream is alot thicker, Vienna cream has a sort of spice to it, and FLV cream is just a basic cream, so it really depends on what you want it to do and how it plays with the other concentrates in your recipe...
I'd get rid of the FLV Milk and Honey and FA Custard Premium. Lower the TFA Bavarian Cream a percent. Increase both the Butterscotch's slightly and the FLV Cream too. I'd try adding 2 or 3% CAP Sugarcookie for a little butter/cream mouthfeel and try some FA Caramel at a half percent. I prefer INW Custard over well, anything else, so I'd use that too probably instead of the CAP Sugarcookie and FA Custard Premium.
Also note that sweeteners can boost the overall flavor in a recipe. At minimum, try to add 1 drop of CAP SS per 10 or 20 ml. I use the latter in combination with TBV Sugar Daddy at 0.5%. Yo have tonnes of options to explore. Good luck, have fun!
Im trying to avoid the bakery notes. Ive got a couple recipes that combine that caramel custard thing with bakeries. Im just after straight butterscotch creaminess. I cant find inw custard at my local b n m so will have to buy online :( I definitely need to get some more fa caramel because I think that's gonna be the key. Will do what you suggested minus the sugar cookie though. If I dont get inw custard, I have fa custard premium, cap vc v1, tfa vc v1 and flv vanilla custard. My thinking is that fa is the least vanilla heavy of all the options and I really want the butterscotch flavour to shine. Thats why I used it
Fair enough. I don't get that much of a bakery note from CAP Sugar Cookie below 2%. Mostly creamy butter and mouthfeel. FA Caramel below 0.5% tastes like brown sugar. Thats why I suggested it. You may even want to pair it with another caramel to add to the butterscotch flavor. I'm also thinking maybe a drop of coffee or chocolate could contrast and bring out the butterscotch more. You can use CAP VCv1 too, just requires a proper steep, but low enough it shouldn't take over with its vanilla. Personally I've grown to dislike FA Custard Premium. I get stale washing basket smell from it. INW's Custard is a no brainer to pick up. Quickest to steep, not hard to work with.
Flv Butterscotch makes a great top note over something like FW Butterscotch Ripple. Personally I’ve found you can push the FLV up to around 2% and the FW up to around 6%. So maybe 4% FW and 2% FLV if you wanted a prominent butterscotch? Then you could add a cream or something? Maybe 0.5% FLV Cream? Would add mouthfeel and some creaminess. Could be a butterscotch base to start a recipe from anyway.