PART 1

Noted Ep. 167: SWEET TOBACCO (ft. FomentLife)

(Episode aired 8th September 2020)

FW Honeywood Tobacco: Really prominent, bright, sweet honey that's lightly floral. ID10-T gets a nasty vinyl, plastic off note and the finish is like smelling hay through a dirty sock. Doesn't taste like cat pee like TFA Honey does, but has a strong cat pee room note. Cheeba didn't find the plastic off note that strong and thought the honey note was ok. The tobacco base FW use in this and other flavours isn't very good, very flat.

6.00

LB Butterscotch Graham Tobacco: A Butterscotch Graham Tobacco sounds amazing, but LB doesn't deliver. Not a lot of graham. ID10-T threw his bottle in the bin.

8.26

FW Chocolate Tobacco: Chocolate tobacco, when it's done well, can be fantastic. But FW's offering is like doing a line of the powder at the bottom of a bag of charcoal briquettes! It's sweeter than charcoal is. Can kind of see that it is supposed to be chocolate, but tastes a lot more like charcoal. Nasty.

10.00

FW Cherry Balsam Tobacco: Tastes like turpentine. It is accurate to balsam, which does taste like turps. But why would you want that?! The cherry is a bad plastic cherry. No tobacco. Terrible.

11.23

FW Rum Tobacco: Rum tobacco as a profile sounds pretty good. But FW Rum Tobacco is not rum, not tobacco and not good. Smells like vanilla and rubbing alcohol in the bottle. Has some brown sugar, strong throat hit and rubbing alcohol.

12.32

All the FW tobaccos Foment tried carry the same note, all tastes a little bit like the cardboard from a pack of cigarettes. Cardboard that has sat with tobacco for a period of time. Faint tobacco with a whole lot of cardboard-y, flat, dry, grossness.

Nic Vapes Sweet Tobacco: Very synthetic. The fakest sweet tobacco imaginable. ID10-T got a bit of a black liquorice note. Foment thought it was boring. Tested at 2.5% in both MTL and DL setups.

14.25

TFA Black Honey: ID10-T gets a dirty honey, not that bad. Just earthy. But also gets a bit of liquorice, which ruins it for him. Cheeba didn't get liquorice, likes this flavour. No real tobacco flavour, just a dirty note that kind of passes for tobacco, like TFA RY4 Double. Kind of like an RY4 but wiith honeey instead of caramel. The honey is good, thick, full bodied flavour. Sweet, smooth. Dark, almost chocolate-y honey vanilla. Doesen't have the issues most other honey flavours do, just has the dirty edge. Some people report tasting clove or other spice notes. Foment tested it at 2.75% as a SNV on the show. Honey was a bit floral, like a wildflower honey. Not a lot of tobacco. Definite dirtiness. He didn't get any liquorice. Tested at 2.75%

15.35 and 26.47

CBV C4 Blend Sweet Dark Honey: Described as 'a very fine tobbacco note that is dominated by a delicious honey aroma note.' Similar to TFA Black Honey but less dirty. Mostly a good honey. No cat piss or overly floral off notes. But has a back liqurice note. Very sweet, makes it more like black liqurice candy covered in honey. There's a little tobacco in the background, but it's really light and a bit cardboard-y. In a similar way to a lot of FW tobaccos it's a little flat and dull. Honey covered liquorice with cardboard.

17.44

LB Sweet Pipe Tobacco: Cherry wood. Which smells different to any other wood you might use to BBQ with. Not very muti-dimensional, very flat. Definitely more woody than tobacco. Has a nice earthiness. But missing the nuance of tobacco. Might be able to use it with another tobacco if you wanted a cherry wood note. Might be able to use in a mix that captures the moment of packing tobacco into a cherry wood pipe. But besides that seems like it would have limited applications.

19.04

EUR (Euro Flavors) Tobacco Chocolate: No real tobacco or chocolate. Mostly a non-descript, sweet nothing-ness. Has a very light, barely there milk chocolate-ish note. Light earthy dryness that might be trying to pass as tobacco. Even at 6% the flavour is still very meh. Limited to pushing % further because it's so dry. Going to get drier as % is increased. Tested up to 6%

21.07

FW Butterscotch Tobacco: Butterscotch + tobacco can be amazing. The butterscotch tastes pretty good. Like a gooey, dense, sweet butterscotch sauce. But there isn't very much of it. Underneath that is the same cardboard-y, flat tobacco that is present in a lot of FW tobaccos. Foment got caramel ash. Nice mouthfeel but has an odd ashy quality that detracts from the sweetness then falls away to cardboard. Cheeba found it to be very buttery, whereas Foment and ID10-T thought it was a bit buttery. If you wanted to make your own butterscotch tobacco FLV Smoked Butterscotch is a great addition to tobaccos. Seems like FW is taking their good flavours and adding them to their tobacco base. FW Blue Bacco is FW Blueberry on top of their cardboard-y tobacco base. The butterscotch they're using in FW Butterscotch Tobacco may well be FW Butterscotch Ripple.

22.20

FW Peach Tobacco: Peach tobacco is a great pairing. But FW has a fairly average peach top note. It's pretty candied and a little harsh. Predominantly that candied peach, not really any tobacco. Just some bland dryness on the finish. Could probably fix it by adding a tobacco. But there are better peaches for that.

24.22

LB Vanilla Cream Tobacco: A vanilla pudding pop dropped in dirt. The tobacco is really earthy, bland and flat. Tastes more like dirt than tobacco. The vanilla is really bright, almost fruity. It doesn't fit.

25.36

FW Tide Water Tobacco: Tide Water is FW's name for Baja Blast. Like drinking flat Baja Blast, but using an old cigarette instead of a straw. Bad!

27.20

FLV Sweet Cigarette: Not a dessert tobacco, nor does it have any place in a dessert tobacco recipe. A sweetener for non-dessert tobaccos that you want to add just a little bit of sweetness to. It's ashy, dirty, dry and a little roasty. Slightly smokey, like wood smoke. The sweetness has tiny hits of vanilla and caramel or brown sugar. It's for use in tobaccos, not dessert applications. The ashy-ness and dirtiness wouldn't work in a dessert mix. Foment didn't notice a lot of ash, but may have been because he was so overwhelmed with how accurate and authentic to the smell of a fresh pack of cigarettes it is.

28.46

INW Sweet Tobacco: The most forgettable of the flavours ID10-T tried this week. Not a dessert tobacco, but it is sweet. Lighter, brighter tobacco with some hay or grassiness. Bland and dry. Could be used as a tobacco enhancer. Like Dirty Neutral Base is used to just add more ashy, grosser notes of tobacco. Sweet Tobbacco brings just some aromatic dirtiness. If you want to just add a bit of sweet but dirty dryness to a mix. But it's not good enough at any given thing to be the star. Not gross or unpleasant, just boring.

31.07

Club Der Dampfer Tobac No. 245: Very realistic tobacco flavour. Bright, hay note. Tastes like late summer. Not too dry, very sweet. More of a cigar type tobacco than a pipe or cigarette tobacco. Has the sweetness of a flavoured cigar, but without the flavour of a flavoured cigar. Full bodied. No weird off notes. On par with the best tobaccos from INW and FLV. A sweet tobacco, nothing else added to it. Bbut does have kind of a creamy, butterscotch-ish quality to it. Probably has more sweetness than you want if not using in a dessert tobacco recipe. But would be perfect in a dessert tobacco, or as an additive. Would pair great with caramel or vanilla. Tested at 2%

33.36

Flavor Phoenix Apple Jack Tobacco: The apple comes across as more of a mulled cider. Has a borderline acidic note. Some spices. No tobacco. Could be a good starting point for an apple cider tobacco recipe.

36.36

INW Gentleman: Pretty Good. Dark, nutty tobacco. Foment didn't get a lot of sweetness, whereas ID10-T did get some notable sweetness. Would work really well with caramel. ID10-T gets a peanut note.

37.32 and 38.55

INW American Dream: An RY4. Not enough vanilla and not quite enough tobbacco. But the caramel is good and has a little bit of dirt to it. Forment got slight peanut note. ID10-T got a light peanut note, no discenable vanilla.

38.36

PART 2

Noted Ep: 167: SWEET TOBACCO (ft. FomentLife)

INW Nutty Princess: INW say it is supposed to be peanuts and waffle tobacco. Foment got neither peanuts nor waffle. It was nutty, but more like the artificial pistachio in pistachio ice cream. It's pretty unique and enjoyable. Could be used in a pistachio RY4 recipe. Or add some more slightly stronger pistachio notes and some bakery in a slightly dirty pistachio croissant or bakery mix.

39.34

INW Kaboom: A sort of fruity vanilla sitting on top of a dak, molasess-like sweetnes. Has a bit of a dirty note, along the same lines as that in TFA RY4 Double. But not enough to be tobacco. No coffee at all, even though INW describe it as being caramel macchiato coffee.

40.47

FA Soho: Everyone else would have ranked it their number 1. ID10-T only ranked it 3rd because it lacks tobacco. Tastes amazing. ID10-T thinks it's sort of tobacco-ish, but no real tobacco. Dark, malty, a little earthy, almost savoury, but not explicitly tobacco. Foment gets the same tobacco note from the really heavily washed tobaccos before they're treated for shisha. The nuance is taken away and you're left with a little bit of dirtiness. Gets a soft, kind of dirty note under the caramel. Really great, prominent soft, sweet caramel. A kind of candied hazelnut nuttiness. Some graham cracker or biscuit right in the back. It's malty. Has nutty richness, sticky sweet caramel. The darker, tobacco-ish note is kind of bitter in a good way- kind of like scorched caramel but earthier, kind of a little bit like molasess. It does scorched caramel better than a lot of other caramels. It's kind of a mess, but a beautiful mess! Very versatile. Emily has used it at 0.5% as an accent in a bakery to give a 'fresh from the oven' feel. Also used at 4-5% to get the dirty caramel. ID10-T uses it at 8% in MTL and vapes it by itself. Can use it at 8% in DTL, doesn't have any off notes that high. It blends in to any profile. Pairs well with anything you could consider pairing with a tobacco. Begs to be mixed with tobacco. Plays well with other tobaccos. Mom&Pops Calipitter Chow and OSDIY Lucky Shot have a lot in common with Soho. Wouldn't be surprising to find out that they are both using Soho as a base. Really speaks to how versatile of a flavour it is. It's versatile in terms of how much you use and the different practical applications. Can use from 0.5% as an accent up to 8% with no off notes. Works at 8% in MTL and DTL.

42.32

Recipe: Cran Orange Muffin by MlNikon Used a little FA Soho to give fresh baked feel.

45.16

SC Old Captain: Supposed to be a coconut pipe tobacco. It's not. But it is a brilliant dark chocolate with a little dirty tobacco underneath. Really nice, authentic dark chocolate. A little light on the body. But phenomenal.

48.10

Club Der Dampfer Tobac No. 1: ID10-T ranked it 2nd. Described as sweet, strong tobacco. A heavily caramel flavoured tobacco. Not entirely a dessert tobacco, but it's almost there. A great tobacco for mixing with desserts. Bold, but not too dark. Realistic, hay-like tobacco. A little smokey without being at all ashy. Distinct caramel behind the tobacco. Caramel is very sweet, but pretty dry, so it wouldn't bog down a tobacco mix too much. ID10-T would just add some vanilla for an RY4. Depending on what vanilla you use it would probably be far better than any single flavour RY4. Caramel is good, just a little dry. The tobacco is great for a brighter tobacco, still really bold. Realistic. Great flavour.

49.14

EUR Tobacco Vanilla Custard: Nice, sweet tobacco base, leaning more towards a sweeter cigarette. Some ashy tones. No custard, but a creamy vanilla. More of a darker vanilla, isn't super bright. Nice, almost graham-ish sort of dirtiness. Good mellow tobacco. Smooth creamy vanilla. Overall it's really good. Compared with INW Vanilla For Pipe (was the first vanilla tobacco ID10-T thought of) EUR is more of a cigarette tobacco, it's a little drier, a little nuttier. Whereas a pipe tobacco is a bit wetter and earthier rather than nutty. The vanilla in the EUR is quite a bit darker. While the vanilla in INW isn't bright it is brighter than that in EUR. INW has a lighter, creamy vanilla that is more in the forefront. While EUR has more of a dark, rich, creamy vanilla. (available at DIY Vapour Supply in the US) Tested at 4%.

51.22

WF Vanilla Ruyan Custard: Really delicious. More of an RY4 so not discussed in detail. Has caramel, tobacco a little heavier on the vanilla than most other RY4s.

54.30

FLV Sweet and Smokey: All of FLV tobaccos are great. Although some may be harder to work with than others. Sweet and Smokey is one of the easier ones to work with. It's not a dessert tobacco by itself, but certainly can be used for one. Certainly sweet. Robust tobacco that's smokey without being ashy. Like a tobacco that has been smoked in the way meat is smoked. Has a hint of spice. Has a very sweet finish for a tobacco, almost like a honey caramel. Like caramel made with honey instead of sugar. Really nice counter balance to the smokey and slight spicy notes. The sweetness is present throughout, but it ramps up as the stronger tobacco flavour begins to die off. Very full bodied. Unique. Really complex for a SF without being a mess. A really good ingredient for a dessert tobacco mix. Perfect to give an RY4 a bit more tobacco. If you like tobaccos this is an essential. Would probably work be amazing mixed with FA Soho. ID10-T thought pushing them high may be good, 6% Soho and 2.5%. Could probably do a good 1,2,3 recipe too. Although 3% Soho isn't going to be a main note, but will add the typical Soho sweetness. Maybe 3% soho, 2% Sweet and Smokey, 1% some kind of vanilla, maybe FA Vanilla Bourbon.

55.51 and 59.45

FLV Cavendish: (Question asked in chat about whether FLV Cavendish fits the parameters of a 'sweet tobacco') It's kind of sweet. Wouldn't classify as a dessert tobacco. But does have a syrupy sweetness. It's very dark, almost molasess-ish like a cavendish pipe tobacco is. Sweet but not in the typical caramel or sweetener way. Although not inherently a dessert tobacco it is sweet enough that it could be incorporated into a dessert tobacco recipe. One of Cheeba's favourite tobacco recipes (Autumn Sunset V2) uses Cavendish with FLV Apple Filling to bring it into the realm of a dessert tobacco. Can easily bend it into a dessert tobacco. There's an unobtrusive fruity undercurrent in Cavendish, almost like plum or black cherry, that lends itself to being mixed with dark fruits. Any kind of dark fruit works well. It's a great tool for bringing a dark tobacco to dessert tobacco recipes.

57.36

Recipe: Autumn Sunset V2 by CheebaSteeba

58.43

Recipe: Naivete and Enthusiasm by UnappreciatedRobot Foment thought he had used the Sweet and Smokey/ Soho combo. He hadn't, he had used PUR Tobacco Bourbon and FLV Smoked Butterscotch. The Tobacco Bourbon stands in a similar way to Soho in that it has no explicit tobacco, but delicious anyway. There's some smokiness in the Smoked Butterscotch. The mix did also contain Sweet and Smokey.

1.01.12

FW Blue Bacco: FW Blueberry with their cardboard-y tobacco base. 1.02.35

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