As always, the purpose of this thread is to gather the community to explore a category of flavor and its many uses. And it's also to have FUN!
Post recipes containing this week's Flavor of the Week, as the star or in a supporting role, with or without development notes. Talk about other people's recipes that use it. Compare and contrast different manufacturers' versions of the FOTW. Ask for help using that flavor in general or to achieve something specific, offer advice, brainstorm ideas, consider substitutions, suggest pairings... really anything at all as long as it's on topic.
#This week, this is also where you can comment to win the the Bakery 2 Pack ($70 value!) from Flavorah and the new Flavorah recipe book!
This pack includes: Lembas Bread, Waffle, Berry Cheesecake, Brulee, Chocolate Deutsch, Cinnamon Roll, Donuts, Fried Dough, Maple Bar, Oatmeal Raisin, Pastry Zest, Pralines, Pumpkin Bread, Tricks Cereal, Vanilla Pudding, and Wheat.
Check it out, FOTW now features a neat new poll where you can vote for your flavorites:
#DIY SURVEY - VOTE HERE PLEASE
##DIY SURVEY - SEE PREVIOUS RESULTS HERE
#This week's flavor is... BREAKFAST BREADS (Muffins, Croissants, Etc)!
How did that get to be the FOTW?
It was requested!
>If you're not interested in the upcoming FOTWs, please take this opportunity and comment to request one that interests you (or send me a PM to do that).
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#In case you missed it, last week's FOTW was: Syrup Delivery Systems
#Next week's flavor will be: FOTQ2 (New Hotness)
The week after that will be: Cheesecake
The week after that will be: Chocolate Milk/Milk Chocolate
The week after that will be: Tobacco Time: Sweet Stuff
The week after that will be: Cones
The week after that will be: Blue Raspberry
The week after that will be: Rose
The week after that will be: Fruity Cereal
The week after that will be: Plain Cereal
The week after that will be: Citrus Sodas (7up, Sprite, Mt. Dew-type)
The week after that will be: Pumpkin
The week after that will be: Cranberry
The week after that will be: Gingerbread
The week after that will be: Peppermint
The week after that will be: Wine
The week after that will be: Champagne
The week after that will be: Marshmallow
The week after that will be: FOTQ3
The week after that will be: Raisin
The week after that will be: Woodruff
The week after that will be: Flavors of the Year
The week after that will be: Desert Tobaccos
The week after that will be: Cantaloupe
The week after that will be: Toast
The week after that will be: ??? You decide ???
I've been waiting for this one for a while. Back when I was vaping commercial juices, one of my favorites was a blueberry coffee cake, but at some point in time they changed the recipe and after that it just wasn't as good. So, when I got into DIY, one of the first flavors that I wanted to try was blueberry muffin, and that was just a huge disappointment, but it also taught me that flavor names can be seriously misleading. FLV Blueberry Muffin to me tastes so floral that its like vaping blueberry perfume. I also tried DIYFS Blueberry Muffin and that one just tasted like brown sugar. I think that it's probably just best to build my own muffin recipe from scratch.
Btw, I'm getting some good use out of the flavors you sent me. I'm waiting for 2 weeks so i can show off the Mounds recipe I made thanks to the milk chocolate and fudge brownie flavors in that package. It's my favorite recipe at the moment 👍 oh and I'm getting ready to soften a tobacco liquid I made with that TFA Black Honey. It's good, just a little spicy at the moment.....
Does breakfast breaks include cinnamon danish?
I just mixed up [this](https://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/361461/muffin man clone%28spot on%29) and after 2 weeks steep im not blown away by it, both the apple and the cinnamon seem really weak and I don't think I like what the glazed doughnut brings to the party.
Next time I think I'm going to leave out the doughnut and try adding a little FA Fuji. Wondering if I need to pick up some rich cinnamon in my next order or if there are better cinnamon swirl flavours?
I make something very similar. I've used FA fuji, TFA double apple, and RF apple. I like fuji with double apple best.
5% cap cinnamon roll
2% RF sugar cookie
3% CAP double apple
1% FA Fuji
1% CAP vanilla custard v1 (makes it a bit richer, almost gooey tasting) or 0.5% FA vanilla bourbon (gives more of a baked flavor)
I used to use cap apple pie instead of the sugar cookie, but I ran out and never reordered. RFs sugar cookie is very doughy, it works well.
> 1% CAP vanilla custard v1 (makes it a bit richer, almost gooey tasting) or 0.5% FA vanilla bourbon (gives more of a baked flavor)
I was actually thinking about adding some INW Custard once I had the apple and cinnamon where I wanted them, Its the only custard I have currently (other than VTA Bannana Custard). Havent really found a use for it yet, in previous attempts to use I seem to get a sort of biscuity flavour from it, like a custard cream biscuit.
Curious to hear thoughts on FLV Lembas Bread and the actual names the flavor should have, haha
It should be called The Rest of The Blueberry Muffin That We Forgot To Include In The Flavor We Called Blueberry Muffin.
No experience with any breakfast breads, although I've tried a few cinnamon roll recipes if those even count. That's the beauty of these noted shows, even if you've no one profile experience, you are 1 step closer after these episodes. Thanks for doing these!
I like nice Italian pastries: Bombolone
Raspberry V2 (Cap) @2.2 % WoW (FA) @3 %
Mix it, shake it, Vape it!
If you like a sweet breakfast: WoW is a fantastic flavor.
Zepola waffles biscuits? You can count me in. PB&J ever illusive breakfast sandwich vape?
I love me some CAP Cinnamon Danish Swirl, kinda counts right?
Might play with that one a bit more, been on a fruit vape binge lately.
Also have VTA Crossaint, but didnt use it yet.
Man this heatwave needs to be over so i can go back to more desserts!
Authentic warm buttery Blueberry Muffin has evaded me for some time. Best I can do is make one that’s just ok. Hoping after this thread and noted I can get that one missing thing figured out
Here's a cinnamon powdered cake donut recipe I enjoy. Donuts are like breakfast bread? At least some components are breakfast bread worthy. I like the FW Caramel Cinnamon Roll... An underrated flavor IMO and it doesn't have that CAP CDS cinnamon that can stick out.
Ingredient|% :---|---: Caramel Cinnamon Roll (FW)|2.00 Churro (Jungle Flavors)|1.50 Cinnamon (Ceylon, Cannella) (FA)|0.75 Cookie Dough (Flavorah)|0.50 Meringue (TPA)|1.00 Powdered Sugar (OOO)|1.25 Shisha Vanilla (INAWERA)|1.00 Sweetener (Sucralose) (FW)|0.75 Zeppola (FA)|1.50
Flavor total: 10.25%
VT Croissant sure is some buttery goodness.
Are toast flavours going to be covered this week? I’ve just started on a mission to find a really great toast.
If they’re not part of this weeks discussion could I maybe suggest bread and toast type flavours for a future episode of Noted? Just off the top of my head there’s SalubArome Toast and SA Breakfast. RF has a Strawberry and a Blackberry Jam on Toast (not sure if they’re still available though). There’s FLV Starch Base, FLV Lembas Bread. WF has one or two in there most recent batch of flavours. I’m sure there’s tons more.
PART 1:
Noted Ep. 163: BREAKFAST BREADS (ft. Humanpuck)
(Episode aired on 11th August 2020)
According to ZiggyWay's winning Reddit comment MB Classic Belgian Waffle and CCW Waffle (now known as CC (Chefs Choice) are the best combo for a Belgian waffle they've tried so far. But CCW Waffle needs a months steep. Use around 2%. Don't use above 3% for best results.
(Ranked from worst to first)
Humanpuck is reading an anonymous contributors notes as they couldn't appear on the show in person. So ranked by nameless writer.
LQ (HiLIQ) Cinnamon Toast: Terrible. Synthetic, plastic vinyl cinnamon. Nauseating. Like a cinnamon shower curtain. Tested at 2%
6.04
FP (Flavor Phoenix) Blueberry Muffin: Blueberry cleaning product and cough syrup.
6.50
From the FP flavours Humanpuck has tried they tend to be pretty potent and not very authentic or accurate to the name of the bottle.
NF (Nature's Flavors) Organic Banana Nut: Synthetic banana with burnt nuts. Chemical off notes. Tested at 3%
7.48
TP (Tasty Puff) Blueberry Muffin: Like blueberry mixed with a pine tree. Background note of weed. No bakery. Got worse the more they vaped it.
8.50
FA Croissant: A croissant sprayed with lemon pledge. Strong lemon cleaning product off note. Buttery croissant underneath. But can't get around the lemon.
10.18
FW Banana Nut Bread: CONTAINS SUGAR SYRUP. The actual concentrate is black. Very banana forward. No bready-ness or bakery note. Less spice than other BNB flavours and not enough nut. The banana is fairly decent, surprising as FW Banana is pretty awful. Destroys wicks fast.
12.05
HC (Health Cabin) Cinnamon Danish: A mess. Some cinnamon, but not prominent. Faint AP note. Definitely not discernable as a Danish. Faint cinnamon air. Tested at 2%. A lot of HC flavours are potent at 0.25% so possible 2% was too high and muted?
14.17
HS Cinnamon Bread: Burnt toast. Not sure how burnt it is, but HP thought peanut butter and jelly might drown out the burnt aspect?
15.58
HS Muffin: Not a muffin. A bready coffee. Very dark and roasted, to the point it tastes like coffee. Not sweet. Even darker than WF Coffee Cake. Had a definite bready note.
16.25
RF Blueberry Muffin SC: Very different from RF Blueberry Muffin. More of a candy blueberry. No real muffin or bakery notes. Might be good as an additive in a blueberry candy recipe? Tested at 3%
19.49
RF Cinnamon Toast: Burnt toast with a hint of cinnamon. Slightly less burnt than HS Cinnamon Bread. But still burnt.
20.54.
RF Blueberry Muffin: (Not the SC version) Strange blueberry fruit medley with a touch of cinnamon. No muffin or bakery at all. Not a terrible flavour, but not sure where you'd use it. More of a mixed berries. Tested at 3%. Usually have to use the non SC RF pretty high. So 3% could be too low?
22.14
RF Banana Bread: Mediocre. The banana is in between realistic and artificial Runts. Cheap, Wal-Mart brand banana bread.
23.21
WF Bread (Banana Nut) SC: Like banana nut bread, but instead of using bananas it's been made with banana Jello powder or banana pudding mix. It does all the other elements, it's bready. There is some nuttiness. But the banana isn't right. It's not Runty, but not a realistic, cooked in banana. It's a bit creamy. Not enough banana either, a bit too soft and mellow. Lacks texture of BNB. Overall not unpleasant. But a bit weird and not authentic.
24.14
FLV Lembas Bread: A very authentic muffin. Distinguishable from a cupcake, cake or bread etc. Distinctly a muffin. Missing some of the darker, outer crust. But really spot on to the fluffier inside of a muffin. Not as sweet as a cupcake. Has the bready-ness of a muffin. Has a little butteriness, could perhaps use a little more? But that's easily fixed. Has a bright, fruity type sweetness. A bit lemony. But can be covered. Also can make fruits like blueberry pop. A hint of citrus would probably work in most fruit muffin recipes. Would probably get wierd in something like a chocolate muffin mix though. An apple cinnamon muffin would be good with PUR Country Apple or FLV Apple Filling. Emily used Soho in her Orange Cranberry Muffin recipe to give it the darker, outside crust Lembas Bread is missing.
26.33
Recipe: Cran Orange Muffin by MlNikon: Uses a touch of Soho to give it a fresh from the oven baked-ness. FLV Pound Cake make it a bit heavier and less dry.
29.01
OOO Banana Nut Bread: Not as good as TFA. Lighter and less of a bread. Just a banana nut flavour with some cinnamon. Tested at 3%. OOO is erratic when it comes to what %s to use their flavours at. Maybe 3% is too low and the bready-ness may come through at higher %?
31.15
WF Coffee Cake: In the US a coffee cake is any cake served with coffee, usually a cinnamon crumb cake (in the UK coffee cake is a sponge cake with coffee in it, and traditionally walnuts). WF is bready, roasty, coffee, cake. The coffee note isn't bad. Not very sweet. No cinnamon. Hint of chocolate. Not a bad flavour, just disappointing as was expecting the American version of coffee cake.
32.25
FLV Blueberry Muffin: It's the cooked blueberries in a muffin. But there's no muffin or bakery note. Not quite as sweet as blueberries are when cooked. Very cooked. The fact there's no muffin makes it versatile. Could use in a pancake etc. If it was mixed with another, more jammy blueberry could be used to make a pie filling. Useful flavour to have. If you wanted to then it into a blueberry muffin FLV Lembas Bread could be used to add rest of the muffin. Would also need something for the outside crust of the muffin, Emily used FA Soho. Or could potentially use WF Roasted Hazelnut SC very sparingly, as it's so dark and roasted. Might be able to use a cookie flavour for that?
34.50
FW Coffee Cake: Cinnamon crumb cake type coffee cake. Discernable bakery flavour. Nice cinnamon, without being overpowering. Dead on, authentic coffee cake. Not sure what else you'd add to it.
37.53
TFA Banana Nut Bread: Good overall. Slightly artificial, but not offensive. Nice banana and light cinnamon on the finish. Definitely identifiable as BNB. Nice nuttiness. Really great bready body. Needs a little bit of help. A little dry. Something like custard or butter can easily fix that. WF Cookie Butter works great. Apparently works really well in a pod. If that's true that makes it one of the few bakery flavours that does. Would probably have to use it at something like 10-12%. A bit weak, 5-6% is a good starting %. ID10-T has had a recipe that uses it at 8% and it worked fine that high. Not overbearing, no off notes.
39.39
PART 2:
Noted Ep. 163: BREAKFAST BREADS (ft. Humanpuck)
VT Croissant and WF Croissant: Everyone else would have ranked WF Croissant below VT as a SF. But they work great paired together. They fill in what the other lacks. VT has the butteriness and the outer crust. WF has the inside flakiness and graininess. VT is a little top heavy, get butter right up front. It has a lot of really good butter. Then get the crispy, outer layer of the croissant. But trails off after that into almost flavourless, powdery, slightly doughiness. WF is soft overall and can get lost in a mix by itself. As a SF it's not particularly enjoyable, it's a bit weird. Both VT and WF are a little sweeter than an actual croissant. But probably won't be a problem as any other elements you're likely to add will be sweet. Like jam, fruit, chocolate etc. Humanpuck has combined VT with FA Cookie in a recipe. They go together really well for a stuffed croissant.
43.18
DIYFS Blueberry Muffin: Really nice muffin with a light blueberry. The sweetness is almost like the sugar crystals on the top of a muffin. Nice bakery note. Got the whole blueberry muffin profile right. Don't need to add anything. Tested at 3%
47.34
WF Crepe: Discussed in more depth last week. Slightly sweet, eggy. Nice citrus-y spice note. Very smooth. Probably wouldn't put maple syrup with it because of the citrus. Goes really well with VT Golden Syrup. Pretty tasty as a SF.
49.57
If you're going to be talking about waffles as part of this, I can't wait for all the comments lamenting the death of INW's beautiful flavor that I was literally TWO WEEKS LATE to try.
Please bring it back, you beautiful, lovely Polish bastards. Stroopwafel is nothing without you... :-(
Also, Lembas Bread sounds interesting.
I was late to INW Waffle by a hair, same as you Bro. Every time they remind us how great the MF was, and how authentic that straight off the iron was. So through the years, I've picked up some waffles, and have always been fairly dissapointed.
BUT, decided to give another shot. Picked up CCW Waffle and MB Classic Belgium Waffle. The later is awesome, and has that off the iron authenticity too. Excellent Waffle on its own. Adding the CCW Waffle makes for the best combaition I have tried so far. Though with CCW Waffle needs a full month steep for it to do its thing, and work at around 2%, not to go over 3%, for best results.
So RIP INW Waffle, and give rise to the new kid on the block MB Classic Belgium Waffle
That sounds amazing. I will definitely be picking those 2 up in my next order.
Have you tried to make a stroopwafel out of those yet, swapping out for INW? From everything I'm hearing about MB, it's got the same full body and authentic off-the-iron flavor that made INW such an integral part of that recipe.
Haven't heard of the recipe, and not sure what a stroopwafel is, I'm from Spain, excuse my ignorance. The MB Waffle is the only waffle I have REALLY enjoyed so far. And that INW Waffle reminder on every bakery show really got on my nerves. The CCW Waffle at 2% and MB Classic Belgium Waffle at 4% is where I find the sweet spot for my liking. I have a recipe on ELR if you want to check it out. I'm enjoying it, though the month steep is a bummer! https://e-liquid-recipes.com/recipe/3598177/Go-Free
https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/32619#toasted_by_mrburgundy
Surely a shout out for this one Mr Burgundy!