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I only have two new (to me) flavors to try this week (WF and LA Bavarian Creams), but I'm going to play around with concentrations of these others and probably try some new recipes with them. Here are some notes I made the last time Bavarian Cream was a featured flavor:
So Bavarian Cream is supposed to be a thick, sweet milk custard made with egg yolks and gelatin, flavored with vanilla and lightened with whipped cream.
TFA Bavarian Cream - Ol reliable. Thick, slightly buttery vanilla very sweet cream with a lot of a darker, caramelly sweetness. Beware of that caramelly sweetness starting to get a bit mapley if taken too high. 4% starts to do it for me (get maple-ly as a single flavor) but others who are more sensitive to it get maple as an off note at an even lower %, and that cyclotene that causes it is offensive to some people's palates at just about any concentration. Great body and depth. There is a lot of both maltol and ethyl maltol in here which is why it’s so sweet, but also can be a muter of things. Muting shouldn’t have the negative connotations that it does. TFA Bavarian Cream is a wonder for muting certain off notes, like yogurt that’s too sour. Great for softening sharp fruits, etc.
I have not tried DX Bavarian Cream. I looked at TFA’s website and saw that it probably isn’t barfy since it doesn’t have butyric acid. However, it does inexplicably have eugenol in there so I wouldn’t be surprised if it has a clove note to it.
CAP Bavarian Cream - A buttery tasting top note but without a buttery feel, fluffy vanilla cream in the middle, with a strong and odd nutty undertone. It’s hard to pin down exactly what nut that is but it tastes a little like hazelnut. Might be a good middle-weight cream to pair with nuts. Not really sure what makes it a Bavarian cream. Light sweetness. That vanilla does not taste same as their Simply Vanilla or their French Vanilla or Vanilla custard. It’s not as bright as the Simply Vanilla but not as dark as the Vanilla Custard, it’s a bit more of a vanilla bean flavor.
JF Bavarian Cream - Very sweet, pronounced bright vanilla. Custardy down low, with some eggy and a hint of butteryness along with the dairy flavor, but on the thin side of custards, not nearly as thick and rich as many of them. Doesn’t have the thickness or depth of TFA’s but also lacks that caramel/maple note that can get in the way. There’s nothing wrong with it.
FA Bavarian Cream - A thin, sweet light dairy whipped cream flavor with some spicy vanilla that’s a little dry. It doesn’t have any DAAP but it doesn’t taste butyric at all either. No eggyness or rich custardness.
FW Bavarian Cream - A very sweet whipped dairy cream flavor mixed with a brighter vanilla and some rich buttery custard notes, and something resembling caramel in the background. Medium thick. Very smooth.
RF SC Bavarian Cream - It sorta tastes the way the soft serve machine at a Dairy Queen smells at the end of the day, in a good way. Like melted vanilla frozen yogurt. It has a lot of vanilla and strong and slightly slightly sour dairy note, but sour like froyo, not like puke or spoiled milk. It’s smooth and sweet and starts out full flavored but finishes a little weak and almost cardboardy. It definitely needs something deep that finishes strong in a mix but it could work for an interesting top note.
About the eugenol in the TPA DX Bavarian Cream, I am really sensitive to clove/eugenol and I have never noticed a clove note, but then again I don't think I've ever pushed it much past 3%.
Thanks! I'm really sensitive to it to, so that's good to hear. I can't get it in time for this week, but I'll have to try it sometime.
It's almost always gonna be all about TFA Bavarian cream for me.
It's a staple flavor in my view. It's DAAPy, it ages well, and it's versatile.
without it I couldn't have made any of these recipes work
The link to the last recipe brings a ‘Sorry, that page not found’ message. Thanks for the others.
Should be fixed now. Thanks for that
Seems I’m late to the party & I’m just repeating what’s already been said about TFA Bavarian Cream. It’s quite good but for the past year I’ve been using FW Bavarian Cream instead, it’s just better. I’m always subbing it in recipes at slightly smaller percentages.
I forget the ones i have available at the moment, but I could definitely put together some good Bavarian Cream flavors. I may have to put my milk chocolate with some and look for my doughy flavors and I might be able to put together a chocolate eclair liquid. I'd love to do that especially since I'm drinking a cup of coffee at the moment....
Edit: Found out I have TPA and FW Bavarian Cream...
~~What does Bavarian Cream taste like?~~ Just saw ID10-T’s post. Is it similar to any other creams? e.g. Fresh Cream or Vienna Cream?
I don’t have a flavor concentrate of Bavarian, and the one Bavarian Cream commercial eJuice I tried (from Underground Vapes) tastes like nothing.
lotta great recipes that use TFA bav cream (and likely a few of the others). With a mind to the fact that it's meant to be a lightened up custard it seems to work really well as a plug-and-play kind of bridge cream for custards that might be too heavy and a lot of creamy recipes that just need a little more weight without going off into being a custard.
I use it mainly to take the harshness out of a recipie. That in combo with sweet cream. Kinda rolls everything out with a soft creamy finish. It also works wonders with bakeries. I like the TPA versions best.
Oh yes, Barbarian Cream!
I've used a lot of FA Bavarian Cream when I started mixing - but then I got a hold of TPA Bavarian Cream, and it's just been the go to ever since.
I do feel it can get a slight "caramel/burnt" note if taken too high though, but it is a must in most fruit & cream mixes.
I really need to pick up the tpa version. I started dyi about a year ago and picked up FW Bavarian cream. No recpies take this at all, hundreds take the tpa version but i have just been subbing FW for TPA. Makes me wonder what im missing and curious how much better the tpa version is.
Only ever tried tpa Bavarian cream and it was in viserion by id10t, highly recommend that recipe! Good work folks, keep it up and thanks!
Just about the only juice I ever make and vape is my own creation -- Creamy Nuts -- 10% TFA Bavarian Cream and 10% TFA Hazelnut. Maybe a dash of Super Sweet if I'm feeling like changing coils. This stuff is amazing.
Gotta be MTL recipe correct?
Does anyone else feel Bavarian cream lends itself over to an almost caramel flavor? Is it supposed to be a form of caramel? I should probably look that up. 🤷♀️🤷♂️✌️
I don’t get nearly as much caramel as you do but I agree there are definitely caramel notes in it. But I don’t see them until I tend to take the flavor % higher. Otherwise it just seems like a “dark” sweetness to me.
Started with TPA and I go back to it still. Has more uses playing off that caramel to me now and toning things down.
I really like JF bavarian. One of the few they make that runs on the weaker side, for them anyway. I love the dairy note that it brings as well as that jf "cleanness" when comparing to tpa\cap products they seem to redo. Works well with cereal too.
FW has become kind of my other go to. It's just a good bavarian cream. Seems stronger to me than TPA when using in a mix % wise.
Have several others gathering dust back home. Most need to try fa outside of a mix I think.
Recently acquired WF that I have at my current locale. Going to be part of batch sft mixing week coming up for me. Feigns excitement 😉
TFA Bavarian Cream is a staple supporting cast member. It marks an inflection point on the Milk-to-Cheesecake spectrum, between whipped creams and custards. I always use it in combination with other creams to thicken things up, without introducing noticeable eggy or cheesy notes.
One of my favorite flavors now is VT Vanilla Cream, I fell in love with ID10-T’s Mother of Gods Milk, and on a whim subbed the Ice Cream with VT Vanilla Cream. Freaking amazing, brings out a better vanilla undertone and adds a thickness to the recipe that is just fantastic
What's going on with this markdown editor? It's just messing up my recipe.
Oh well, "Just Another Vanilla Custard" v1 (http://tjek.nu/r/x4hx) and v2 (http://tjek.nu/r/yRAJ) both use TPA DX Bavarian Cream.
These are probably the only recipes I mix that use the DX. I've mixed with FA and FW (because I wouldn't dare sub something when I was mixing someone else's recipe) but keep coming back to TPA Bavarian Cream. I guess it's a comfort thing...
I don’t know what’s wrong with me, but when I dive into a new flavor profile, I get nearly every version I can find. I stopped at 6 with this one as I was sad to see, or taste, a caramel note that follows these flavors around. I was reading the comments here, and saw someone comment that JF BC has a clean taste, and before I knew it I was putting it in my basket. Seriously, it’s just me vaping all these flavors. With the exception of some very specific recipes for my friends, and my son, if they don’t step up their game and buy some nicotine before that massive tax hits, it’s going to be just me vaping these flavors for the foreseeable future. 🤷♀️🤷♂️
I have 4 Bavarian cream, TFA, FW, RF which are, to me, very good and most of the time interchangeable, but the last one I've got was wonder flavors Bavarian cream and I don't know if it's just me but it taste like cheap vanilla icing.... I tried it between 0.5% to 3% and always that icing taste. In fact there's about 10 flavors from that company that taste like that to me and 10 more that taste like butyric acid....the other one are great....
Here's a unique recipe that uses BC. Don't fear Yogurt funky-ness... There's none of that here.
Ingredient|% :---|---: Bavarian Cream (TPA)|2.50 Cream (Flavorah)|1.00 Cream Fresh (Panna Fresca) (FA)|1.00 Honey (Flavormonks)|1.50 Sweetener (Sucralose) (FW)|1.00 Whipped Cream (TPA)|2.00 Yogurt (FW)|2.50
Flavor total: 11.5%
Noted Ep. 161: BAVARIAN CREAM (ft. Fresh03)
(Aired on 28th July 2020)
There's two camps that Bavarian Cream flavours usually fall into, close to custard or close to pudding.
It's made with milk, eggs, gelatin, and whipped cream. So in between vanilla custard and whipped cream. A little thinner and less rich than a custard, but a bit thicker and richer than a pudding.
Most Bavarian Cream flavours are good for smoothing out rough edges in recipes.
(Ranked from worst to first by Fresh)
TFA Bavarian Cream DX:
It's not bad, it doesn't contain butiric acid. Has a nice, light spice note, which is probably because it has eugynol it has in it. If vaped before steeping it's pretty dry, and it doesn't completely loose the dryness even after steeping. But that can be fixed in a mix. There's also a little bit of an alcohol note. It's a little thin compared to other Bavarian Creams, which is because it doesn't contain any DAAP. Has a nice cream flavour. Still can be used to smooth mixes out. Just as useful as the original, but not quite as tasty.
8.49
FA Bavarian Cream (Crema Bavarese):
Doesn't contain DAAP. Tastes more like a custard than a true Bavarian cream which is a bit creamier. Gets sour at higher %s (3.5%-4%). But still a nice, rich cream. It's nicely warm, good, smooth vanilla note. It's not as rich and thinner than the other Bavarian creams, but still not thin. Nor the consistency of whipped cream. But the vanilla top note is really nice.
11.44
LA Bavarian Cream:
More reminiscent of a flan, but missing a little of the caramel it should have. Got a gelatin texture, nice warm vanilla cream, it's pretty thick and smooth. Has some caramel notes. Can use it to smooth out a mix. Works really well with a lot of fruits, like a lot of Bavarian creams. Has a not unpleasant slight sour twang.
13.57
FW Bavarian Cream:
Really lovely. Sweeter than many other Bavarian creams, not as dark. Some others have a brown sugar, caramel, creme brulee type note, but FW distinctly lacks that element. Maybe richer? Thinner than TFA, thicker than FA. Leans closer to a pudding than a custard. But a really good flavour that works really well in a lot of recipes. Can use to smooth things out, add some sweet cream and a nice, warm vanilla note. Contains sweetener, so can use to sweeten a mix.
Probably best to use 4% or below. At 5%, although not offensive, it starts to get a little chemically and artificial tasting. That's as a SF and could maybe be covered up in a mix?
15.42
CAP Bavarian Cream:
ID10-T would have ranked this lowest in his list because he gets hazelnut. Definitely nutty with a light spice note. It's nice and has its uses, but not very authentic to Bavarian cream. Has the typical CAP butter note. It's a little greasy until it steeps out. Really suited for bakeries. There's some fruits of would work with, like darker berries. Where the spice and nuttiness would fit. Wouldn't be the best choice in brighter fruit and cream mixes. Has a nice, warm vanilla, nice cream, smoothes things out, a little spice and nuttiness. Slight wet cardboard off note, but easily covered. Really lovely creamy texture.
18.05
RF Bavarian Cream SC:
It's thin, like a lot of RF. Get a lot of flavour up front, then it disappears towards the end of the exhale. The flavour that's there is really great, similar to TFA. Warm, rich vanilla cream, nice mouthfeel. Needs pairing with something with some depth and weight behind it. FLV Cream would be great.
20.41
DEL Bavarian Cream:
The actual flavour is really great. Cheeba thinks it has one of the best actual flavour. It's nice and light, some eggy-ness, some dark sweetness that gives it depth. But the biggest issue is that it's bit on the thin side. While it's creamy and smooth it lacks weight and density. Could be used in a lot of applications, especially where you need a lighter cream.
Tested at 5%.
23.14
PUR Bavarian Cream:
Tied at 4th. Really nice. On the lighter side, very bright vanilla. Lovely mouthfeel. Leans more towards a pudding.
Use between around 1.5-3%
24.41
OOO Bavarian Cream:
Tied at 4th. Really nice. Darker, richer. As a SNV has a bit of a yoghurt-y twang, but that does steep out. Has caramel, brown sugar notes. Really good mouthfeel. Leans more towards a custard.
Use between around 1.5-3%. Twang steeps out after around 7-10 days.
25.08
TFA Bavarian Cream:
Thick, good mouthfeel, great vanilla note. Has a lovely richness and a little darkness. Like a light caramel note, which works really well with a lot of fruits. No off notes. Unless you're sensitive to cyclatine, which gives the caramel note. Those sensitive will get a maple off note. Does magic things to recipes. It smoothes out rough edges, adds richness. Also a sin eater, it rounds off a lot of off notes. Like if a yoghurt is too sour, softens sharp fruits. Sweetens things up. It's just an essential to have.
Use around 2-3%. Can get maple-y at higher %s. Most people can use as a SNV, but keeps getting better over time.
27.07
JF Bavarian Cream:
Amazing. Can vape as a SF. Dark and creamy. A bit of a caramel note. More custardy than TFA, hints of butter and egg. Dairy on the finish. The vanilla is a bit brighter and more realistic than TFA which, with the depth of the dark sweetness, gives it a broader range. Complex for a SF. It's a very warm flavour. Very smooth.
31.39
WF Bavarian Cream SC:
Very dark and rich. Probably the second darkest after OOO. Very smooth. Amazing mouthfeel. Thick, a ton of body. Dark vanilla. Light caramel, brown sugar note. Versatile. Works really well with bakeries, dark berries, even with some of the lighter berries. Works with WF Strawberry Cheesecake. So far Fresh hasn't found anything it didn't work with. TFA often needs pairing with another cream in a mix, while WF has more potential to be the lone cream. Could use around 3% if the only cream in a mix. Would go great with some asai (maybe FLV Asai) and a little touch of boysenberry raspberry - could make it a 3,2,1.
Use between 1.5-3%.
34.37
*would also go great with VT Sweet Cream
Fresh thinks VT Shisha Blackcurrant tastes like grapes. FLV Blackcurrant is really good, tastes like Ribena. Vaping Swag also has a good blackcurrant (isn't that VSO?)
Recipes:
Caramely Custard by Jhonny2Vapes (ATF)
41.10
*INW Custard can get a bit dry. Especially at higher %s.
X - Delctable Cream by ENYAWRECKLAW (ATF)
43.51
Smurf Milk by EyeM2sRus (ATF)
45.33
F.M.R. Bavarian Cream Donut by SlashLO (ATF)
48.17
*Golden Pineapple fades
I really need to pick up the tpa version. I started dyi about a year ago and picked up FW Bavarian cream. No recpies take this at all, hundreds take the tpa version but i have just been subbing FW for TPA. Makes me wonder what im missing and curious how much better the tpa version is.
TPA Bavarian Cream is the only one I have. I look forward to hear Noted next time. They always opens my eyes with the show. And they are really good at making my mind go of in all directions to try out new flavors and combinations. Thanks to the noted crew for an awesome job.
Don't have a lot of experience with Bavarian Cream. Only have TPA Bavarian Cream DX.
Here's the last thing I mixed up with it.
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Black Lemon Flacco
|Co.|Flavor|%| |:-|:-|:-| |TPA|Bavarian Cream DX|1.6| |TPA|Black Honey|3| |CAP|Super Sweet|0.5| |CNV|Corn Flakes|2| |CNV|Lemon Cream Wafer|3| |FLV|Oriental Tobacco|1.5|
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