I'm looking to buy between 3000-4000 mls. Using this: This amount will last me 20-25 years+.
Will nicotine stay good that long in the freezer? Or will I just be wasting my money by buying too much?
Huh. I found this: https://www.planetofthevapes.co.uk/forums/advanced-pv-mod-making-and-diy-discussion/mixology/threads/how-long-can-you-store-nicotine.5682/
Maybe 20 years worth is too much.
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For maximum shelf life, carolinaxtract can't be beat. Their nic ships in amber glass bottles filled in an argon atmosphere (so you avoid the oxygen exposure that would result from rebottling on your end.)
From their FAQ:
What causes the oxidation and browning of Nicotine.
Air contact immediately begins the oxidation of nicotine similar to the way an apple will darken before your eyes in just minutes.
The cellular wall of the tobacco plant protects nicotine from oxidation in an amazing way. CXTC's SFE process cracks open that cellular wall in an oxygen free environment using highly pressurized CO2 and prevents all oxygen contact throughout filtration and packaging.
Nicotine turns brown for three basic reasons: Oxidation from exposure to air is the main cause, however remnants of solvent left behind and "product cooking" from heat using other extraction methods.
What can our shop do to protect our nicotine from oxidation?
If you are using our LQ Tanks, there has been no oxygen contact. Any first contact would occur if dispensed it into a beaker containing air. By simply pre-gassing CO2 into that beaker or mix tank, you actually extend the shelf life of your e-liquid products because CO2 is heavier than air and will "blanket" both the nicotine and the other flavors which are also likely to be botanical extractions. All botanical extractions including nicotine and the other flavors you use in e-Liquid are sensitve to oxygen contact and will oxidize over at various rates over time.
If you are using CXTC Supercritical Nicotine from our glass bottles, we recommend that you purchase from any grocery store's wine section a product called Cork Pops™. It is a Argon 5.0 injection system that can be used to blow out air ingress caused by opening the bottle, purging the air with pure Argon.
Unfortunately Carolina is TRIPLE the price of where I was going to order from.
Yes it is, and no one has ever tried either after 20 years of storage. You can buy direct from a manufacturer who takes every possible precaution to avoid oxygen exposure, or from a vendor who bottles commodity nicotine of unspecified origin.
Personally, I'm hedging my bets and doing both. I've got a 5-year supply of the cheap stuff and will vape that until it runs out or goes bad, then switch to my stash of Carolinaxtract which should last me another 5 years. After that, I guess I'll just have to pay the $5000 per liter tax to get more.
I’ve purchased nic from several vendors in both the normal nic and salt nic versions and honestly can’t tell any difference in quality between any of them.
I just recently froze another liter last week using these bottles: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01N2WC5HP/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_zRneFb4YQ2EMD
and this bottle of inert gasses: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0000DCS18/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_api_i_NSneFb0Z7JE5C
500ml fits into two of the bottles with about 10ml left over.
I personally wouldn't trust that brand of preserver. It uses a mixture of nitrogen, carbon dioxide, and argon, basically simulating their normal ratios in atmospheric air (~78% nitrogen, ~1% argon, ~400 ppm carbon dioxide, [~21% oxygen]), only with the oxygen removed. That sounds all great and scientific, but in reality that mixture is too similar to the density of normal air to effectively displace the oxygen-containing air in the bottles. For truly effective preservation, and to really get all that oxygen out, you need a gas that's a good bit more dense than air, and that's why pure argon is the choice of wine professionals and connoisseurs. I can also testify as a former organic chemist that when I'd want to perform a reaction under oxygen-free or anaerobic conditions, I'd use pure argon to degas the oxygen from solvents and top off the reaction vessel. It's a good bit heavier (more dense) than air, so it settles right on top of the liquid and displaces all that pesky oxygen.
(TL;DR) Try this instead: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01MEHJCQ2/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_hewfFb1SZB08Q
Carolinaxtract also explicit states DO NOT store nicotine in the freezer. From their website:
Should I store Nicotine Products in the freezer?
No, Absolutely not. Damage can occur to100MG/ML nicotine products when oxides form during near-freeze/thaw cycles caused by temperature fluctuations of some freezer units (but not all). Such fluctuations are typically caused by opening the freezer door and outside weather affecting the efficiency of the unit. Typical refrigeration temperatures, or even room temperatures are a much safer storage range than 27-33F because they are well away from freeze/thaw potential.
Will there be a big difference when storing nic in glass bottles in the freezer vs room temp in a dark area + using wine preservative?
Was going to purchase a big quantity of nic and just using co2/argon but store it at room temp
My opinion formed from research, experience and accounts from other long-term nic storers:
Room temp: (rising to) 20°C / 68°F - a year, maybe two
Fridge: 4°C / 39°F - a couple of years, more if undisturbed
Freezer: -18°C / 0°F - at least 5 years, probably 10, maybe longer.
At ten years, the drop in 'strength' (potency?) of the nicotine is likely to be noticeable (ie. over 10%) but I'd expect it to still be perfectly good to vape.
Expelling the air from the top of the bottle using argon or nitrogen can only help extend it's life as will keeping the bottle from being moved, such as at the bottom of a freezer.
Ive got nic thats in white plastic bottles in the fridge thats about 5 years old and its fine, its at the back behind other stuff, so it doesn't get much light when door is opened. It has not yellowed at all. Freezer would be better but ours is small and always full of food.
I bought it before the stupid eu law came in to force limiting 20mg 10ml bottles. Nic isn't as poisonous as people think. The ld50 is based of ancient inaccurate info. You can still buy 72mg nic for diy, legally by being a business or pretending to be one for diy. So theres no need to stockpile here.
don’t know but, am using 10 yrs old (as of May) VG nic that i rebottled right away into individual 50ml wide mouth amber jars and then vacuum sealed a handful at a time into foodsaver bags (that was just for my piece of mind, don’t know if it helps or not).. so far every time i get a new jar out to use, it is still clear and tastes perfectly fine..
i can’t remember who but, some chemist vaper on that ecig forum had done some nic experiments back then and the nic degrading amounts where not enough to really even worry about.. Am no chemist or expert but, personally i think as long as you rebottle large amounts into smaller bottles/jars so that you are not taking nic out of freezer and exposing it to air every time that you need more, it will last them 20yrs, assuming your freezer doesn’t have issues..
When nicotine does go bad does it just affect the taste/flavour or will the nicotine content gradually deplete? Im just guessing that being on a low dose of nicotine (1mg) I doubt the flavour would be intolerable when using “off” nicotine and I would still get the same dose of nicotine anyway
The concentration isn’t affected. Honestly, at 1mg you will barely notice the taste of oxidized nic. But my nic is clean so I can’t really say. I mix at 6mg and I can taste oxidized nic and it just ruins my vape experience with harsh throat hit and a pepper taste. I’ve pretty much avoided this by mixing nic salts and storing it properly after I get it
I haven’t tried nic salts as yet. I’ve got enough liquid nicotine to last me a lifetime so I doubt I’ll ever try nic salts. I understand they are more suited to MTL which I rarely use these days. As long as the nicotine content doesn’t diminish I’m good. I can really tell the difference when I vape at 6mg (I mix this for a friend and have to test it) for sure it would be horrible with bad nicotine.
Does anyone know anything about when this bill may be passing and how much warning time we will have once it passes?
9/9/2020
https://cloudridevapor.com/blogs/news/pmta-and-vaping-in-2020-everything-you-need-to-know-as-a-vaper
What about mixing pure nic later on ? Would that be better ?
Pure nic at 1000mg/ml is very costly. Individuals buying at that concentration is pretty rare. On a single sale to someone just mixing you can buy 250mg/ml which is still pretty strong. Most of us get it at 100mg/ml.
I heard that it can Also be bought as like dust. Not in liquid.