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He's used to using a Juul, and wants that mixed to be 5% nicotine, but the actual mL of nicotine I'm using seems super high, but I can't find a flaw in the math done by the calculator here, am I good to mix this?
edit: Thank you for all the info so far everyone, I decided to dial it back to 3% after telling him what I've learned through your comments as well as reading I've been doing for the past 20 minutes. You're all super helpful and I'm glad to have a community as wonderful as this to help so well.
5% is 50mg/ml. The nic you have is 100mg/ml. Any bottle you make at 50mg/ml will be 50% nic base.
It seems like a lot because it is a lot.
Thanks for the reply. I know it's a lot, but this is correct and comparable to e-juice that you would find at a vape store that is salt-nic at 5% strength right?
edit: Sorry, can you clarify this line in your reply: "Any bottle you make at 50mg/ml will be 50% nic base." Did you mean 5% nic base? Or did I misunderstand?
To be clear I meant a lot in the sense that it's a lot of one ingredient in the mix. IMO no one really needs 50mg/ml, but that's a different story. A lot of people use less when they DIY because they're not restricted to whatever the commercial offerings are.
Thanks for the info. Out of curiosity, when it comes to salt-nic e-juice in a device like the Suorin Edge (comparable to the Juul device), what would be your preference of nicotine mg/mL in something you might mix? Asking because I dialed it back to 3% for him, but still haven't mixed it yet, just kind of taking in all the info I can beforehand.
That math is correct for 50mg/ml, yes.
To note: Juul is actually 59mg/ml not 50
Ok, phew. Thanks for clarifying. It's been a long time since I've mixed juice, a long long time, but I'm over at a friend's for the 4th and he's into the Juul but wants flavor choices, so I told him I'd make some and he picked up the stuff on the list I made.
It just made me nervous seeing that in a 25mL mixture of that juice, 12.5mL alone would be the nicotine base. Seemed dangerously high to me.
In a device with more than 8 watts of power it kind of is.
In the Juul or a comparably weak device it's not so bad. It's still a ton, just not as bad as throwing it in a 30+ watt tank and hoping the room doesn't start spinning.
Thanks a ton for that advice. I figured the same, since the Juul is a weak device, and he'll be using a Suorin Edge which is comparable, but just to be safe, I'm gonna dial it back to 3% for him because upon doing some research while I was waiting for replies here, it seems the Juul actually has a ridiculously high nicotine level at 59mg/mL in general. Even despite the fact that it's weaker, you're taking in a ton of nicotine I suppose.
Btw, he goes through 3 Juul pods in one day, and I thought this was all good because he quit smoking finally due to this, but he was only smoking 1 pack a day. Now he's getting the equivalent of 3 packs of cigarettes in nicotine from my understanding, so I figured I'd tell him I'd make it 3% and this way with the Edge it should be fine, right?
Most people don't realize that the salts of nicotine weigh 3-4 times as much as the freebase in molar weight. (EG: Freebase nic: 162.23 g/mol, Nicotine Tartrate: 462.4 g/mol )
So you actually have much less molecules of your nic in one mg of salts.
I found this when googled "How much nicotine in a cigarette"
- The average cigarette contains about 10 to 12 mg of nicotine.
- You don’t inhale every milligram of nicotine as it burns. You’ll probably inhale about 1.1 to 1.8 mg of nicotine by the end of each cigarette.
- This means that for a pack of 20 cigarettes, you’ll likely inhale between 22 to 36 mg of nicotine. (depending on the brand)
Found this on the Juul website
Each JUULpod contains 0.7 milliliters of e-liquid, so a pack of four JUULpods contains a total of about 2.8 milliliters. The 5.0% JUULpod nicotine strength contains approximately 59 mg of nicotine per ml, which means each pod contains approximately 40 mg of total nicotine.
3 Juul pods = 2.1ml x 59 = 123.9mg of Nicotine which divided by the average amount of nicotine in a pack of cigarettes (22-36mg) equals 3.44 to 5.63 packs of cigarettes.
So the math here says the nicotine equivalence of 3 Juul pods is equal to 69 to 113 cigarettes (depending on the brand)
I personally quit smoking back in February with the help of vaping Nic salts. I started off on 50mg/ml name brand eliquid from the store. I did my research right off the bat and understood that 5%= 50mg/ml, so when I found out that most companies dont make anything lower than 2% nic salts or 20mg/ml thats when I made the educated purchase for my first DIY mixing supplies. Yes I could have diluted a bottle of 50mg/ml with a bottle of 25mg/ml or 35mg/ml but that was more expensive than my first order of nic salt (100mg/ml @ 150ml), Bottles of VG and PG, and about 30 flavorings.
I understood that it would be in my best interest to wean down on my nicotine content because when I stopped smoking and was vaping the highest nicotine I could find I was craving nicotine about every 15-20 mins and that is not what I signed up for when I quit smoking. When I was smoking I was having a cigarette every 30-60 mins. Craving nicotine more frequently than when I smoked. I became aware I needed to do something different.
Buying my own ingredients to make my own eliquids the the smartest move I made in any attempt to quit smoking in the past 3-4 years. I tried the patches and the gum countless times. Hell, even Chantix 3 times without success of quitting. But today I am almost 6 months free from smoking those nasty combustion sticks and my health has definitely improved significantly. I can breathe, smell, taste and live much more peacefully now. I dont constantly worry about when Im going to be able to get outside next to light up another one. Weaning down on my nicotine content has allowed me to not worry about the things I was when I was smoking or even vaping 50mg/ml.
Best advice I could saw to you or your buddy is lower the nicotine content and it will start to alleviate the cravings and the stress. Also if you got to this part of my post and read everything I had to say, Thank you. If this was any help to you or anybody else, that was the reason I commented on this post in the first place. And thank you for having somewhere for me to post my experience. Good luck and God's speed.
Thanks a lot for this post. Also to everyone else, I've read all of yours.
We just got up about an hour and a half ago for the 4th celebrations, and he's hating the 3% stuff lol. He's definitely going to have a hard time cutting down, I feel sorry that he's been on 5% for so long. But I'll have him read this to understand why it's important to cut down.
Appreciate all you guys. Happy 4th to the Americans and happy Saturday to the rest of y'all here.
Im a little late to the game here, and you probably have all the advice you need. My experience was despite my best calculations the store owner who sold me my first house juice insisted on 15mg freebase when I was a half a pack a day smoker at best. I knew it was too high and that was confirmed when I was wired way into the night that night.
But, I stopped smoking. And I detoxed off all the additives. Slowly lowering from 15mg down to 0.5mg was a great challenge in that, guess what? I still vaped all day long no matter the mg. You get used to it. And I’d make mugger batches and drop by 0.5mg after a week or two. You stabilize. The first jump for him will be hard but he will even put and it’ll be easier each week to lower himself. He literally can use this to be ‘free’ of the nicotine. The habit, the oral fixation, that part is tough as nails for me. Best to you, stranger!
OP, why not convert to mg/ml? I’ve never had a Juul. Do they market by % of nicotine? This whole thread was confusing for me until I realized I was reading % and not mg/ml. I saw the “ingredients” and thought, “that looks close to right.” I think it said 1.25 ml of nic. At 100mg/ml and a 25 ml batch, wanting to hit 5 mg/ml nic would be correct at that amount. But now that I know it’s %, I have no clue what that ingredient list and amounts mean compared to the “recipe” amounts.
I've found with salt nic that I need to use alot more than I would expect for the same feeling as freebase. 3mg is fine for my subohm drippers but the equivalent of that in a caliburn is like 20-30mg or so in salts for the same satisfaction.
Perhaps suggest to your friend that he tries freebase at 18 or 24mg. He might find that it works better for him and he isn't sucking on the thing as often.
Just something I've noticed personally.