TPA VBIC peppery tasters I need your help.

submitted over 5 years ago by baade89

u/vergaerd reached out to me asking if I could map out the use of Piperonal because it could be a cause of peppery taste in some vanilla flavors.

This is a good theory and to see if it’s Piperonal I’ll reach out to TPA over the weekend, before I do that I want to ask those of you who gets that peppery taste what other flavors you get it from.

If it’s not Piperonal then I’ll look for similarities in more flavors to see if I can find a reason for a peppery note.

Comments

3 points

by mkweiseover 5 years agoMissing One Flavor

TFA White Chocolate tastes equally peppery to me.

2 points

by baade89over 5 years ago

Noted. Would you say it’s the same taste?

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by Cepsitaover 5 years ago

It is funny. When I first tried, I tried to like TFA vanilla bean ice cream, but got pepper from it. But I didn't give up. A few months later, i mixed again with the same bottle, I stopped tasting pepper. And got delicious creamy vanilla! Miracle! Got a new bottle, it was the same goodness. I smell pepper from the bottle, but not on the mix.

I also smell pepper on TFA Vanilla custard and TFA white chocolate. But I don't taste it on finished ejuice anymore.

1 points

by baade89over 5 years ago

Weird, maybe it’s a receptor sensitivity?

Good for you that you didn’t give up!

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by jasone414over 5 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Read through the comments in this to find some if you haven't already.

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by vergaerdover 5 years ago

Yes, it should also be said that this post is why I reached out to one of the creators (baade89) of the safety compendium.

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by baade89over 5 years ago

Thanks

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by righteous__userover 5 years ago

Piperonal which comes from Piperine which comes from black pepper. So that might be it.

2 points

by baade89over 5 years ago

Correct, you could also get piperonal by demethylating of Vanillin.

I’m still unsure about the process and what chemicals that could be used, so I’ll have to talk with someone more knowledgeable.

1 points

by kuri_sanTouover 5 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

demethylating? That's a word?

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by baade89over 5 years ago

Yes, it’s probably not the most used word out there but it refers to the chemical process Demethylation which removes/replaces a methyl group.

2 points

by Techniques716over 5 years ago

I prefer flavor West ice cream, I had the same problem with the tfa

2 points

by vergaerdover 5 years ago

I've not tried everything out there and have been reluctant to further explore this profile, but so far I'm getting pepper from:

TPA Vanilla Custard

TPA VBIC

CAP Cake Batter

LB VIC

I've seen some pepper tasters mentioning vanilla flavorings I do not get it from, so maybe this is worth adding too:

CAP Vanilla Custard v1

CAP Vanilla Cupcake v2

CAP Vanilla Whipped Cream

TPA French Vanilla Cream

TPA Vanilla Swirl

And although the following are light on vanilla I do not get it from these either:

INW Custard

FA Custard Premium

FA Creme Fresh

I'll update in the next few days as I'm SFT-ing TPA VC 2 and CAP VBIC in the next few days.

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by baade89over 5 years ago

One thing that cap cake batter, tpa Vanilla custard and VBIC has in common is the use of anis in the form of anisyl alcohol(tpa) and anisic aldehyde(cap). Its found in vanilla swirl aswell so im unsure if that could be the cause.

2 points

by SaschaAlexandraover 5 years agoMissing One Flavor

I get it from tfa butter. And cap cake batter.

1 points

by baade89over 5 years ago

Thanks!

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by Cherokeevaporzover 5 years ago

Well from what I have learned its has to the person, not necessarily the flavor. A certain % of people taste pepper, like some people are strawberry blind and can't taste it at all. It is the chemical molecules much as in wine Beer or liquor tasting not everyone's taste buds and sense of smell are the same.

1 points

by baade89over 5 years ago

You are correct and we are probably looking at a taste/smell receptor that either misinterpret or are very sensitive compared to others. If it’s a sensitivity issue then it will most likely disappear or lower the amount of peppery notes if they continue to use it.

It could still be good to know what chemical that causes it.

1 points

by apocalypticdiynewbover 5 years ago

According to TFA website piperonal, isn't in VBIC. It is in a handful of other flavors though. Including dx vanilla cupcake, French vanilla deluxe, vanilla cupcake, vanilla custard 2

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by baade89over 5 years ago

If it’s their msds list you are referring to then it’s information derived from GC/MS and not their formula. Even if it’s listed there it doesn’t mean it’s in there, that’s why I am going to reach out to them.

1 points

by durty_digitzover 5 years ago

I get it from free base nicotine. I don't get it from nic salts.

1 points

by vergaerdover 5 years ago

That just sounds like you had bad freebase though.

1 points

by kuri_sanTouover 5 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

I agree. I have vaped both and never noticed a difference in taste

1 points

by Cherokeevaporzover 5 years ago

I suggest you try LB Vanilla ice cream, it's the best and no pepper taste

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by baade89over 5 years ago

Thanks for the suggestion, but I don’t get a peppery note from these. I’m just looking into why others get it.