So I made a post about a week ago talking about how I get pepper notes from LB VIC and those who responded asked for an update when I got my order of a bunch of them(DIY Flavours was sold out of FW unfortunately) so here goes:
TFA Vanilla Swirl: No pepper notes
VT VIC: no pepper notes, almost get a vanilla frozen yogurt flavour from it but I'm not complaining!
HS French Vanilla IC: No pepper notes
TFA French Vanilla Deluxe: No pepper notes. Very rich french vanilla flavour
VT Milkshake Base: No pepper notes but I'm not sure if I like it. smells kinda funky like unsweetened condensed milk in a can
Cap VBIC: slight pepper notes but not overpowering. it doesnt bother me if I use it in a mix
VT French VIC: no pepper notes, very full bodied French vanilla
I also Got a sample of DIY Flavours VBIC one shot and it's delicious. not sure if it will work in a mix but its great on it's own.
Cheers thanks for reading. Much love to you all.
1)edit: line spacing 2)edit: forgot to add VT French Vanilla IC
Not sure if it happened to anybody else and if this is relevant but around 6 months ago I literally could not stand TFA vanilla bean ice cream. It was like a pepper vomit to me. I have mixed up simple mustard milk a week ago as I was tidying up my stash and I love it now. No pepper notes, tastes delicious. Happy days. Very weird.
hmmm weird...is it possible that as the flavour aged the pepper notes steeped/evaporated out of it or something?
I kept it in closed bottle so unlikely. Unless, as you said better with age? Or maybe my taste buds converted to different flavours now?
I noticed a bit of "over time" it turns to pepper. Not me personally, but my ex used to vape nothing but modified mustard milk (just different strawberry combos) and over time TFA vbic became pepper to her. By the time her milkshake recipe had gone through testing she couldn't finish 60ml of the published version. 🤷♂️
I get a weird almost pepper note from their vanilla custard, always have but more noticeable as I've been cig free longer. Just sticks way out to me.
Edit: always was good with TFA vbic. I just like fw much better.
Hi. Most „pepper-tasters“ have trouble with TFA‘s vanilla, it gives them pepper. They actually use LB VIC as a substitute. I‘m guessing that you are sensitive to a different chemical component than other „pepper-tasters“. Glad you found something that works for you!
Can confirm that. TFA VBIC tastes like a full on pepper spray attack to me. TFA Vanillin, Vanilla Swirl and Vanilla Bean Gelato are all just as bad. CAP VBIC is slightly less harsh but still unvapable. LB VIC is heaven in the form of nectar which dances on the tongue like so many angels at a celestial rave.
thanks! I was so disappointed about LB. I had read so many great reviews and seen it in so many recipes so I went ahead and bought 30mls assuming that I would be using it quite a bit. I guess that was a lesson learned, only buy 10 or even 3mls of flavours that you are trying for the first time.
See also this thread from 4 months ago: https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/eqp0uw/tfa_vbic_pepper_syndrome/
(Just commented on that older thread, copy/pasting the second part to here:)
My guess would be that the responsible compound may be piperonal/piperonaldehyde. It's found in black pepper and vanilla plants, and is commonly added to fragrances for a bright, floral, vanilla note. While this is fine for food and perfumes, it's possible that the compound produces more of a pepper note when vaping due to either the different route of entry, or due to chemical changes occurring over time in the liquid or at the point of vaporization. The vanillyl and piperonyl functional groups are similar to the point that some cyclization via hydrolysis may be occurring with one or more vanilloids in certain mixtures.
Anyway, just my two cents.
I've been making u/Staybert 's Rose Lychee Raspberry Ice Cream, and it calls for LB VIC. Had the same issue with it, so ordered FW's direct. I haven't had the chance to use it yet, but I can say from a taste test, it has that alcohol-ish burn on the tongue but I'm not getting any pepper. It may be hidden by the burn, however. I'll let you know when I make my next batch.
How do the HS and VT FVICs compare? I got some HS on my first flavor order to make the Ice Cream Trinity and I've also tried using it a few times since. To me, it has a note that just sticks out, I can't exactly remember what it tasted like because it's been a while, but I did not like it.
Just curious what % did you use HS at? I find they( the majority of HS creams) need to be very low, .5% bordering on making a dilution for it.
I initially used it at whatever percentage it is in the Ice Cream Trinity. I think it's 0.75%. Also tried it at 0.5%. That flavor just doesn't agree with my tastes.
There's also FA Vanilla Ice Cream, and TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato. I get strong pepper from TPA VBIC at around 2% or higher, so when I want to use a large amount of vanilla ice cream, I'll typically use 1-1.5% TPA VBIC, and equal amounts TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato and FA Vanilla Ice Cream to reach the desired concentration. So for a fairly heavy vanilla vanilla ice cream (5% total), I'll use 1.5% TPA VBIC, 1.5% TPA Vanilla Bean Gelato, and 2% FA Vanilla Ice Cream.
I even keep a small bottle premixed with equal parts of the three, as my "standard" vanilla ice cream flavor concentrate, used whenever I want to use ~4% or less (which is most of the time when using vanilla ice cream in a recipe).
thanks so much! I'll have to give it a try!
Thanks for this. I just started mixing and have run into this. At first I thought something was wrong with my nic but quickly ruled it out.
So far, I get the pepper taste from Cap VBIC, Cap Vanilla Whipped Cream, and Cap Vanilla Custard v2.
I'm not getting any pepper from TFA Vanilla Swirl and TFA Bavarian Cream.
I'm going to try some of the flavors you listed. I really hope this thread digs up some recommendations for flavor alternatives!
I noticed that as long as you let Cap VBIC steep at least a day the pepper notes dissipate.
If you're a big vanilla fan, have you tried making your own vanilla extract?
There are some guides on here, it seems to be one of the easiest flavors to DIY. I'd be interested to see how it compares (I have some brewing now, but won't be ready for a while).
Edit: ok struck a cord with some of you people. Can someone tell me why this isn't a good practice? To clarify; I am absolutely not talking about using a vanilla extract, but rather making a vanilla extract using real vanilla and cold emulsion in pg. Maybe this is still a bad idea, in which case I would love to know why before mine is actually finished. If it's just a case of not reading what i posted, well, that's a bummer.
It's not safe for a couple of reasons. First off and most importantly, you don't have the right equipment to filter it. That would involve at least several hundred dollars of lab equipment coupled with the skills and knowledge necessary to safely and reliably operate them. A strainer or cheesecloth, or even a simple vacuum filtration setup is not enough.
This is because in addition to removing particulate matter, you need to remove all the extraneous chemicals that were extracted from the vanilla beans by your solvent. This again involves having years of chemistry knowledge and the equipment necessary to perform the required distillation(s).
Please, do not try making your own flavors using DIY methods. It is not safe because your are either omitting the filtration/distillation process or substituting it with an extremely inefficient "home lab" process that is not suitable for making chemicals for human consumption.
Where?
It looks like it originates from the user onions_can_be_sweet, quite a while ago. It gets referenced every now and then on here and more often on other sites. That said, maybe it's been found to be toxic and everyone just knows that now (though they don't post about it).
Also check the edit to clarify intent.
please let me know when it's ready!
We don't vape vanilla extract. This is not a good idea.
I will do. I think people assumed I was using store-bought vanilla extract instead of making my own, which is where the negative attention is coming from. But at the same time maybe its not a good idea either way, I'm no expert.
You can find this method referenced a few times on this sub (albeit almost always a very old post), and I think the original creator is onions_can_be_sweet.