So, the COVID lockdown has got to a lot of us, and as I decided to stay with the SO and her family, i didn't have much juice with me that I had made and eventually had to bite the bullet and buy some pre-made commercial juices...
After 1 week of using the commercials, (4 different ones), I've noticed several things which are pretty shocking in comparison to my normal DIY juice...
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I've already had to replace my coils once and burn off the coils again from the amount of gunking that was going on - something that I hadn't needed to do for at least 2-3 WEEKS with my standard DIY batches.
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Both myself and my SO have noticed that I'd been coughing a lot more since switching to commercials, which is also a concern as I'm still going into work and it's somewhere that other people will definitely notice a constant cough - not great in these times!
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And finally, the cost. I bought 4 bottles of 50ml commercial juices with a few little bottles of nic salt shots to add into them, this came to around £50. £50 for essentially 200ml of juice. Shocking!
It was only today that I realised that I could have bought 1L of VG, 100ml of PG, 100ml of 72mg/ml nic, a handful of flavours, AND a new set of scales for a similar price.
5 to 6 times more juice for the same price... FML.
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So, I'm £50 down, a set of coils and 2 lots of cotton, coughing, and with flavours that I wouldn't generally make myself (maybe something similar, but I use less cooling and minimal sweeteners). All the more reason to keep to DIY and not go back to commercial juices.
It's the same principle as anything done for you vs. doing it yourself. It's always cheaper to educate yourself and make or do something yourself, except in the case of surgery. I don't think you want to give yourself a triple bypass or excise your own brain tumor.....
I've always wondered why many commercial juices gunk up coils so bad, I have one brand I always go to that doesn't, but of course it's expensive unless I buy it on sale.
The answer is: a fuckton of sweetener.
Well, thanks everyone for the answer! I never even thought about putting sweetener in juice to be honest.
I wonder how they get away with it, I'd think it would drive away repeat customers. I've never went back to buy another bottle of anything that clogged my vape, and I don't even consider myself very savvy.
its literally the same thing that happens in the food industry - people get hooked on sweet. like for a diy guy it might mean something, but the average vaper is just "omg that juice so good".
and the companies that sell coils are just riding the train. i was looking the other day at the aegis pod - where i am the device price equals 8 of its damn coils.
How they get away with it? That's what people ask for. I swear, if I hear the phrase "sweet and fruity, the sweeter the better" one more time, I'll hit something.
Most people don't make the connection between "sweet e liquids" and 'coils not lasting'. All they've ever had is ultra sweet Vapes and they're used to coils only lasting 3 or 4 days.
Sweetener is basically liquid stevia. It doesn’t vaporize completely. So instead it boils the sugar up and as it cools back down it carmalizes on your coils and cotton. It’s a work around to actually making juice bc you can toss whatever in a bottle add too much koolada and call it “ice” version and then add 5-10% sweetener so that companies can get by with making super shitty juice and most people never had juice w/o sweetener to know the difference.
Did you mix up sucralose and stevia? Stevia and/or monkfruit extract are available but not commonly used.
So I have a similar experience, I've been kinda disappointed in alot of the juices I've made lately...mainly fruit flavors...from the recipes I've tried on ELR to the attempts at building my own recipes, one shots, single flavor testing, I've pretty much been let down in the hunt for a decent fruit/mixed fruit flavor.
So I went and bought some commercial juice. The first one was a watermelon taffy flavor bc watermelon has been one of the flavors that has been giving me the most trouble and I bought a 60ml for $20. The cheapskate in me cringed bc I know at the very least that's a decent amount of flavors I could have bought. The watermelon was almost non existent and the sweetener was the obvious star of the show. Ive been trying it here and there and the last time I got more flavor, but the sweetener was still powerful.
Today out of boredom I went into a vape shop to see what they had and found a fruit twist line that came out after I began diy that I was always curious about. Another $20 60ml, but the guy was nice and gave it to me for $15. This is sweetener mixed with some tropical fruit flavor. I'm pretty sure it's capella super sweet.
This has given me even more respect for diy because I've found alot of dope juices that use minimal to no sweetener and are better in flavor, and I actually found a new respect for commercial juices because it's truly an art to put that much sweetener into a juice and it still be vapeable. I put a drop of super sweet in a 10ml and depending on the flavors it's unbearable...these things have a crap ton of sweetener and it's almost like this juice is gonna be worse without it
Have you tried making water Malone? Either using the one shot or by mixing it up yourself? It’s literally a potent, spot on watermelon
I'm looking for a more candy type of watermelon from what I understand water Malone is more of a natural watermelon, and I'm not gonna lie, $6 bucks for a small bottle of flv is turning me off
https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/121410 Very tasty stuff. More sweet then natural watermelon at least to me.
I found a juice on sale that I used to vape a couple years ago. I figured I would blow through the bottle and want another. However, after filling up a squonk bottle, I only made it half way through the squonk bottle before dumping it out to vape my own stuff again. Suprising because I used to only buy this juice and now I can't stand it. It was just too much sweetner.
Damn dude I feel your pain. I moved to HK last year and it's very difficult to get ingredients here, especially nicotine since it's illegal. So I have to buy commercial juice, and it's like £25 for 60ml or £30 for 100ml.
It also tastes much worse than good diy recipes... I got a strawberry milkshake the other day and damn I could have just made mustard milk for a fraction of the price and 10 times the flavour
it's interesting you bring up the coughing, I recently started vaping store bought salt nic and have been coughing a fair bit. I intended to just use store bought until my salt nic came in but then quarantine hit
Could be the nic, could be the juices. I use salicylic salt nic in my own diy juices, and have used benzoate before too. I find the Salicylic sits better with me and produces a much smoother hit, (although can be a sneaky hit at about 8mg, that one nearly made me sick) I find 6mg works perfectly for me and I dont have any issues with my own stuff. There are a few juices I found I was really sensitive to - Dinner Lady candy flavours being one of them. That shit just made me cough from the start. Theres also a few flavours I seem to get a tickle with as well, but it's hard to narrow them down without doing single flavour mixes.
I started DIY because I didn't enjoy a lot of the commercial flavours. Have now realised this is because of the obscene amounts of sweetener and not much real flavour. Much prefer mixing something up and having it taste at least sort of what it's meant to. Mostly use Caliburn Koko with Nic Salts for work so I mostly mix for this. Now got a Nunchaku 2 for Sub-Ohm as well which is nice but definitely a different experience mixing with less concentrate. Made some Grape Bubblegum yesterday and added 0.5% CAP Super Sweet and crickey dicks you can taste the Sweetener even at that amount. 0.5% is about 2.5 drops every 10mL iirc, crazy how it's so strong in a Sub-Ohm but doesnt make much difference except at high pct in pods. Also saw someone comment about how the Aegis Pod device is same price as 8 of its pods, try Uwell Caliburn ect lol they're so ignorant that their devices cost little more than 2 of their 4-pack of pods so about the same as the Aeigis, crazy that they can cash in so hard but they Nic Salt Pod devices are super handy for working every day. Idk how high my Nic intake is now though because I DTL 6mg and MTL 35-50mg. Used to vape this cheap commercial juice that wasn't over sweet but didn't have as much flavour as it could either, hard to win with commercial juice.
Super sweet is a beast a little goes a long way...I would literally put a drop in a 15ml and as it steeps the super sweet gets stronger...it's a few recipes I dumped bc it was too sweet