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The differences between pre-mades vs DIY
submitted over 5 years ago by ZakraidarksorrowFrugivore

So, the COVID lockdown has got to a lot of us, and as I decided to stay with the SO and her family, i didn't have much juice with me that I had made and eventually had to bite the bullet and buy some pre-made commercial juices...

After 1 week of using the commercials, (4 different ones), I've noticed several things which are pretty shocking in comparison to my normal DIY juice...

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I've already had to replace my coils once and burn off the coils again from the amount of gunking that was going on - something that I hadn't needed to do for at least 2-3 WEEKS with my standard DIY batches.

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Both myself and my SO have noticed that I'd been coughing a lot more since switching to commercials, which is also a concern as I'm still going into work and it's somewhere that other people will definitely notice a constant cough - not great in these times!

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And finally, the cost. I bought 4 bottles of 50ml commercial juices with a few little bottles of nic salt shots to add into them, this came to around £50. £50 for essentially 200ml of juice. Shocking!

It was only today that I realised that I could have bought 1L of VG, 100ml of PG, 100ml of 72mg/ml nic, a handful of flavours, AND a new set of scales for a similar price.

5 to 6 times more juice for the same price... FML.

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So, I'm £50 down, a set of coils and 2 lots of cotton, coughing, and with flavours that I wouldn't generally make myself (maybe something similar, but I use less cooling and minimal sweeteners). All the more reason to keep to DIY and not go back to commercial juices.

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7 points
 
by Jasona1121over 5 years ago

It's the same principle as anything done for you vs. doing it yourself. It's always cheaper to educate yourself and make or do something yourself, except in the case of surgery. I don't think you want to give yourself a triple bypass or excise your own brain tumor.....

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by Zakraidarksorrowover 5 years agoFrugivore

Cant be too bad, what could go wrong? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

1 points
 
by Jasona1121over 5 years ago

Just don't put any eye of newt in it. That's part of a different recipe 👍

5 points
 
by kosmic_kandyover 5 years ago

I've always wondered why many commercial juices gunk up coils so bad, I have one brand I always go to that doesn't, but of course it's expensive unless I buy it on sale.

22 points
 
by T-a-r-a-xover 5 years ago

The answer is: a fuckton of sweetener.

1 points
 
by kosmic_kandyover 5 years ago

Well, thanks everyone for the answer! I never even thought about putting sweetener in juice to be honest.

I wonder how they get away with it, I'd think it would drive away repeat customers. I've never went back to buy another bottle of anything that clogged my vape, and I don't even consider myself very savvy.

2 points
 
by kuri_sanTouover 5 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Most mixers here will say sucralose is used to hide the failures of a bad recipe. For me it does have its uses but for most of us we avoid it altogether

2 points
 
by deryssnover 5 years ago

its literally the same thing that happens in the food industry - people get hooked on sweet. like for a diy guy it might mean something, but the average vaper is just "omg that juice so good".

and the companies that sell coils are just riding the train. i was looking the other day at the aegis pod - where i am the device price equals 8 of its damn coils.

2 points
 
by Barbarakeover 5 years ago

How they get away with it? That's what people ask for. I swear, if I hear the phrase "sweet and fruity, the sweeter the better" one more time, I'll hit something.

Most people don't make the connection between "sweet e liquids" and 'coils not lasting'. All they've ever had is ultra sweet Vapes and they're used to coils only lasting 3 or 4 days.

5 points
 
by meh4everover 5 years ago

Sweetener is basically liquid stevia. It doesn’t vaporize completely. So instead it boils the sugar up and as it cools back down it carmalizes on your coils and cotton. It’s a work around to actually making juice bc you can toss whatever in a bottle add too much koolada and call it “ice” version and then add 5-10% sweetener so that companies can get by with making super shitty juice and most people never had juice w/o sweetener to know the difference.

1 points
 
by CandyAltruismover 5 years ago

Did you mix up sucralose and stevia? Stevia and/or monkfruit extract are available but not commonly used.

2 points
 
by meh4everover 5 years ago

> Sweetener is basically

Most people don’t know exactly what Sucralose is. Just a simple explanation. Stevia isn’t commonly used bc Sucralose is like 10x stronger.

3 points
 
by Foxer604over 5 years ago

It's the sweetener. Commercial juices tend to use a lot. Sweetener is liquid coil-killer. Most diy'ers go light on the sweetener. The flavors tend to be more balanced and don't' need as much.

4 points
 
by rdennie824over 5 years ago

So I have a similar experience, I've been kinda disappointed in alot of the juices I've made lately...mainly fruit flavors...from the recipes I've tried on ELR to the attempts at building my own recipes, one shots, single flavor testing, I've pretty much been let down in the hunt for a decent fruit/mixed fruit flavor.

So I went and bought some commercial juice. The first one was a watermelon taffy flavor bc watermelon has been one of the flavors that has been giving me the most trouble and I bought a 60ml for $20. The cheapskate in me cringed bc I know at the very least that's a decent amount of flavors I could have bought. The watermelon was almost non existent and the sweetener was the obvious star of the show. Ive been trying it here and there and the last time I got more flavor, but the sweetener was still powerful.

Today out of boredom I went into a vape shop to see what they had and found a fruit twist line that came out after I began diy that I was always curious about. Another $20 60ml, but the guy was nice and gave it to me for $15. This is sweetener mixed with some tropical fruit flavor. I'm pretty sure it's capella super sweet.

This has given me even more respect for diy because I've found alot of dope juices that use minimal to no sweetener and are better in flavor, and I actually found a new respect for commercial juices because it's truly an art to put that much sweetener into a juice and it still be vapeable. I put a drop of super sweet in a 10ml and depending on the flavors it's unbearable...these things have a crap ton of sweetener and it's almost like this juice is gonna be worse without it

3 points
 
by meh4everover 5 years ago

Juicy Fruit Gum: LB Cherry Blossom Tea 6.5% - LB Strawberry 3.5% - LB Menthol .5%

LB = LiquidBarn. Tastes just like juicy fruit strawberry gum.

3 points
 
by Ginsuhover 5 years ago

Have you tried making water Malone? Either using the one shot or by mixing it up yourself? It’s literally a potent, spot on watermelon

2 points
 
by Scappoose_Stanover 5 years ago

This.

1 points
 
by rdennie824over 5 years ago

I'm looking for a more candy type of watermelon from what I understand water Malone is more of a natural watermelon, and I'm not gonna lie, $6 bucks for a small bottle of flv is turning me off

1 points
 
by Scappoose_Stanover 5 years ago

To me, it tastes like a watermelon Jolly Rancher. Definitely not a natural watermelon flavor, but good as shit. Don't let FLV's prices turn you off - they're great flavors.

2 points
 
by LilBearLuluover 5 years ago

https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/121410 Very tasty stuff. More sweet then natural watermelon at least to me.

1 points
 
by rdennie824over 5 years ago

Nice...I just ordered cap double apple and I have everything else except the melon/honey dew...might have to pick one of em up thanks fam

3 points
 
by Gooddaychapsover 5 years ago

I found a juice on sale that I used to vape a couple years ago. I figured I would blow through the bottle and want another. However, after filling up a squonk bottle, I only made it half way through the squonk bottle before dumping it out to vape my own stuff again. Suprising because I used to only buy this juice and now I can't stand it. It was just too much sweetner.

1 points
 
by Zakraidarksorrowover 5 years agoFrugivore

I know how that feels, I used to vape one of the bottles I got, but damn, it tastes alright, but it just mutes itself so quickly and then you realise you need to change the cotton and burn off the coils after 3 days of fairly light use.

1 points
 
by IcyLetterover 5 years ago

Damn dude I feel your pain. I moved to HK last year and it's very difficult to get ingredients here, especially nicotine since it's illegal. So I have to buy commercial juice, and it's like £25 for 60ml or £30 for 100ml.

It also tastes much worse than good diy recipes... I got a strawberry milkshake the other day and damn I could have just made mustard milk for a fraction of the price and 10 times the flavour

1 points
 
by NameThatWasntTakenover 5 years ago

Trade you for airsoft parts ;x

1 points
 
by Shingoneimadover 5 years ago

The only premade juice I found that doesn't gunk up my coils in a few days was from Oasis vape, and they stopped shipping to my state because shitty laws.

So I started DIY

1 points
 
by SirDoctorPhilover 5 years ago

it's interesting you bring up the coughing, I recently started vaping store bought salt nic and have been coughing a fair bit. I intended to just use store bought until my salt nic came in but then quarantine hit

2 points
 
by Zakraidarksorrowover 5 years agoFrugivore

Could be the nic, could be the juices. I use salicylic salt nic in my own diy juices, and have used benzoate before too. I find the Salicylic sits better with me and produces a much smoother hit, (although can be a sneaky hit at about 8mg, that one nearly made me sick) I find 6mg works perfectly for me and I dont have any issues with my own stuff. There are a few juices I found I was really sensitive to - Dinner Lady candy flavours being one of them. That shit just made me cough from the start. Theres also a few flavours I seem to get a tickle with as well, but it's hard to narrow them down without doing single flavour mixes.

1 points
 
by lI_sjcloudz_Ilover 5 years ago

I started DIY because I didn't enjoy a lot of the commercial flavours. Have now realised this is because of the obscene amounts of sweetener and not much real flavour. Much prefer mixing something up and having it taste at least sort of what it's meant to. Mostly use Caliburn Koko with Nic Salts for work so I mostly mix for this. Now got a Nunchaku 2 for Sub-Ohm as well which is nice but definitely a different experience mixing with less concentrate. Made some Grape Bubblegum yesterday and added 0.5% CAP Super Sweet and crickey dicks you can taste the Sweetener even at that amount. 0.5% is about 2.5 drops every 10mL iirc, crazy how it's so strong in a Sub-Ohm but doesnt make much difference except at high pct in pods. Also saw someone comment about how the Aegis Pod device is same price as 8 of its pods, try Uwell Caliburn ect lol they're so ignorant that their devices cost little more than 2 of their 4-pack of pods so about the same as the Aeigis, crazy that they can cash in so hard but they Nic Salt Pod devices are super handy for working every day. Idk how high my Nic intake is now though because I DTL 6mg and MTL 35-50mg. Used to vape this cheap commercial juice that wasn't over sweet but didn't have as much flavour as it could either, hard to win with commercial juice.

0 points
 
by rdennie824over 5 years ago

Super sweet is a beast a little goes a long way...I would literally put a drop in a 15ml and as it steeps the super sweet gets stronger...it's a few recipes I dumped bc it was too sweet

1 points
 
by lI_sjcloudz_Ilover 5 years ago

Yeah Super Sweet is definitely good stuff... Sucralose and Nicotine is a crazy cross addiction haha.

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