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What is in my recipe that gunks up my coils?
submitted over 5 years ago by TimInElmira

"Just Another Vanilla Custard v2"

Co.| Flavor | %

---|-----------------------|----

TFA| DX Bavarian Cream | 4%

FA | Caramel | 1%

FA | Catalan Cream | 2%

CAP| Cinnamon Danish Swirl | 2%

TFA| French Vanilla II | 2%

CAP| Vanilla Custard v1 | 2%

TFA| Marshmallow | 2%

| PG | 10%

| VG | 70%

This recipe is a coil gunker. I have tried to find the Safety Data Sheets for the ingredients: I have found some (but not all) and I suspect not all compenents are listed (because there are notes regarding trade secrets). For the components that are listed, I'm no chemist and have no idea what components are responsible. OK, there is maltol and ethyl maltol in some of the ingredients, but is there something more? Do you see ingredients in this list that you know are coil gunkers?

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28 points
 
by TwoSpoonSallyover 5 years ago

All of them. They are all packed with sweeteners that gunk the coils.

8 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

:) Oh, bother!

3 points
 
by w3sfacedover 5 years ago

Literally... the more you add, different elements, and more complex the recipe the nastier the coils. If your running an rdta setup you simply have to “dry fire” the coils every third day or so, when any responsible valet re-wicks or thereabouts. And boom no problem. For me, I go simple, and stay away from tpa (Tfa) just because of how thin and kinda nasty most of the flavors they offer are (super diluted in my experience). Find a profile, and keep it simple, and maybe stay away from all the added sweets, except for maybe.5% or 1% tops of Capella Super Sweet or other comparable.

But to each his/her own. Happy mixing! Check www.Riversupplyco.com They have an awesome line of flavors that they the company (originally a nic and flavor vendor) have started producing.

1 points
 
by St1llFrankover 5 years agoThis flavor... This is not my kind of flavor

> just because of how thin and kinda nasty most of the flavors they offer are (super diluted in my experience).

TFA Honeydew, Blackberry, and Caramel Cappuccino would like to have a word with you :) I wouldn't write the whole company off because they do have some excellent flavors. They do have their fair share of bad ones as well. But most companies are like that. I don't find most of them weak either.


Unrelated side note: Flavorah's potency is blown way out of proportion on the internet. Sure they have some strong flavors, but so does Inawera and a bunch of others.

6 points
 
by jermsworms432over 5 years ago

My bet would be the cinnamon Danish swirl. Every cinnamon roll variant I have tried killed coils quick.

3 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

Thanks for the comment. I use this simply for the cinnamon note, so I won't be upset to remove it.

1 points
 
by jermsworms432over 5 years ago

Just my opinion, I wouldnt remove it, honestly I've never used it. I was mainly talking about commercial cinnamon roll flavored ejuices.

4 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Commercial juices tend to be loaded with sucralose

0 points
 
by [deleted]over 5 years ago

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4 points
 
by beleniakover 5 years ago

I don't worry about this anymore. If it tastes good, I'm quite happy spending 10 minutes rebuilding every two to three days. Costs 20¢ in wire and cotton. YMMV depending on your device.

1 points
 
by Spindrickover 5 years ago

What device do you prefer? I've found going for unsweetened, plain jane juices I've mixed myself expanding my coils from days into weeks or months. I haven't wrapped my mind around the rebuildable thing yet.

1 points
 
by Vapetoriousover 5 years ago

I recommend checking out the classifieds when you’re ready for a rebuild able.

1 points
 
by beleniakover 5 years ago

Actually, I broke my RTA tank, and can't find replacement glass (one order from China sent me the wrong glass after to boot).

Right now I'm rebuilding my old commercial atomizers. 5.5 wraps 26 gauge around a 4 mm bolt, 1cm x 6cm strip of sheet cotton, repack, voila. Works as good as store bought.

1 points
 
by beleniakover 5 years ago

BTW, any device that supports variable wattage will do for building coils if you don't want to be -exacting-. Building is easier than you might think. You will have a learning/experimenting phase, but, hey, you DIY your liquid, so you're not going to be leaking $20/bottle during that time ;)

3 points
 
by Spindrickover 5 years ago

Any sweetener will burn your wicks faster. They burn hotter, they stick to your wicks and do a good job of turning them into charcoal. If you can get used to the natural sweet taste of the basic juice you may find your coils going from lasting from a few days to weeks or even months. I buy my juice from the liquid barn, $8 for 500 ML that lasts me for over a month.

2 points
 
by KhromeKiddover 5 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

Everything 😂

1 points
 
by RoninVXover 5 years ago

Most likely the caramel. Check the list of unsafe flavours to vape, has a section for sugars

3 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

The unsafe flavor list must not be completed yet, because none of my ingredients are on the list and I KNOW CAP VC v1 has diacetyl in it. I also expected to see caramel listed with corn syrup, but it's not there either. Thanks for the comment.

4 points
 
by UnappreciatedRobotover 5 years agoI have no idea what I'm doing

Diacetyl doesn’t need to be avoided. You aren’t going to get popcorn lung from vaping.

3 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

I know. That's why I use v1: I LOVE that flavor.

2 points
 
by kuri_sanTouover 5 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Diacetyl is awesome and should never be avoided, but that's just me

2 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

TFA Caramel Original was the one that previously had corn syrup in it. TFA claims that's not the case anymore. Diacetyl isn't one of the ingredients on the list

1 points
 
by duncanyoyo1over 5 years agoMixologist

https://safety.diyejuice.org/flavor/cap-vanilla-custard

It is indeed there, but it does not show DAAP by default.

You have to select all 3 options ( Avoid, Caution, and Research. )

1 points
 
by surfishermanover 5 years ago

You will NEVER hear of a popcorn lung incident related to e cig's because it's NEVER called popcorn lung by medical professionals.

It's much more related to COPD symptoms and respiratory illnesses .

1st paragraph below Courtesy of Cocky 1976

The symptoms of popcorn lung are very similar to emphysema. So much so that people diagnosed with emphysema from smoking may in fact have bronchialitis obliterans. Most doctors however see the imaging and breathing studies, see smoker in your medical chart, and instantly diagnose it as emphysema.

The amounts of certain chemicals in juices varies a great deal , some have tested to have extremely high levels of the undesirables and others much lower .

The other thing to remember is the original detection levels were obtained with the old clearomizer type toppers , they don't compare at all to the juice devouring high wattage tanks people use today.

1 points
 
by Hate_Feightover 5 years ago

No, I vape a caramel custard with that, really nice, doesn't gunk...

1 points
 
by RoninVXover 5 years ago

Fair enough!

0 points
 
by [deleted]over 5 years ago

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-1 points
 
by Alternative-Vapeover 5 years ago

Hi u/TimInElmira. I think it might be a coil gunker because the cinnamon and bavarian cream can be coil killers. It might be high in sugars with that many sweet notes. I noticed the last batch of bavarian was really strong. I would reduce the amount of flavours being used. If you’re wanting a vanilla custard have the main note set at 3%. Introduce a compliment at 2%. And have a finishing note, like marshmellow, at 1%. Hope that helps. Have a wonderful Monday☺️.

2 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Sugars?

1 points
 
by J_Justiceover 5 years ago

Lots of flavors will have sweeteners used in them. Not necessarily "sugar" as we know it, but things like sucralose will gunk up a coil in no time. Less sweet juices tend to make coils last a good while.

I'm using a premix pink lemonade from liquid barn, which isn't that sweet, and I can keep my coils clean for weeks.

2 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

As I mentioned above, I can add 2% CAP Marshmallow to a 60/40 watermelon or apple recipe I have and they are delicious, without the coil gunking issue. Thanks for commenting.

1 points
 
by SigmaLanceover 5 years ago

How do you like the LB pink lemonade? I bought some to try to replicate TWST pink punch, but haven’t used to yet.

-6 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

I know what sweeteners are. You must be new here.

1 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

From the SDS's I've found and the DIY Compendium, none of the ingredients have sucralose listed. I am aware, however, there are other "sweeteners" in ingredients.

Unfortunately, I am one of the few that has a PG sensitivity and need that 1% Marshmallow for a buffer. I do like that marshmallow isn't as sweet as sucralose, but does add to the volume of the recipe. I find it interesting that I can add 2% CAP Marshmallow to a 60/40 fruit recipe and I don't have this gunking issue with them: I figure it's got something more to do with the custard and creams in this recipe.

1 points
 
by Alternative-Vapeover 5 years ago

Sorry. I just meant there would be natural sugars already within the vanilla and caramel. No added sugars. I don’t ever add sweeteners for this reason. And yes that marshmallow is definitely a great addition and it’s not too sweet.

-3 points
 
by Alternative-Vapeover 5 years ago

There would be natural occurring sugars in the vanilla and caramel.

2 points
 
by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Where do the naturally occurring sugars come from?

0 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

Is vanilla generally "sweet"? I never thought of that and there is good amount of vanilla in this recipe (that's kinda the main note here).

2 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

On a fresh wick and clean coil, this recipe is a delight to vape: but I expect the gunking starts almost immediately because I lose the caramel and cinnamon notes after ~two days. I think I will start by removing those two ingredients and then see what happens. I have tried replacing the Bavarian Custard and French Vanilla II but got a stronger vanilla and less of the full body cream I've enjoyed. The marshmallow is simply to buffer the PG (I have a sensitivity to). I expect I will still have some sweetness (aka gunk) but hope this may reduce or delay it some. Thanks for looking at this u/Alternative-Vape.

-1 points
 
by [deleted]over 5 years ago

Sugar

1 points
 
by TimInElmiraover 5 years ago

As in real sugar? Don't think so: read some of the other comments about sugar.

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