As you all probably already know Congress is voting on a federal flavor ban this Thursday. I think I already know the answer to my question, but if this passes, how will it effect DIY?
Basically not at all, because:
- it's highly unlikely to pass both houses and the Oval Office in its current form, and
- even if it does, it'll be pretty redundant as PMTA (definitely) and an astronomical nicotine tax (likely) will go into effect before it does.
The most significant provisions in this bill are an exemption from regulation as tobacco products for cigars with a price tag of $12 or more (the kind congressmen like to enjoy, LOL) and a prohibition on "remote" (as opposed to face-to-face) retail sales of anything deemed to be a tobacco product.
This bill would add a $5,033 tax on my $100 bottle of nicotine. I'm considering buying 15-20 bottles just because carolina xtracts lasts a LONG time unopened, and it would be much cheaper than buying a single bottle next year.
Do you know what other proposed tax rates there are? I thought there was a tax coming with PMTA but I probably misunderstood it
Proposed federal nicotine tax rates are based on the theory of creating "tax parity" between cigarettes and liquid nicotine, and range from $27.50 to around $50 per gram.
PMTA does not impose any tax but does place the burden of a costly regulatory process on manufacturers, who (insofar as they continue to serve the US market at all) are sure to pass these costs on to consumers.
Boy, you people are gonna be real surprised when the PMTA happens in May and no one will even be able to buy mods, tanks, stock coils, RDAs, etc. Not to mention those clueless will be left without juice to buy.
Flavor ban is flavored juice ban. What you need to be concerned about is stocking up on nicotine, as one the nicotine tax bill passes, unless you are Charlie Moneybags, you won't be able to afford nic.
There was something in the bill about banning synthetic nicotine? Not sure what that is, thought it may have something to do with DIY?
You could always buy nic from Europe/Asia, the only thing that is going to increase is the shipping cost.
Unless they prohibit that as other countries have done.
CHINA'S TOO MONEY HUNGRY AND SMART.. Most of the vape juice, mods, tanks, coils etc etc. we use were originally manufactured in China, Singapore or Hong Kong. Americans spend about 2.5 billion on vaping a year. With a US ban, China will lose a lot of money unless they come up with creative ways to get Americans our vape products. There's no way they're going to leave that type of money on the table. Even if the Chinese government banned vaping in China, they wouldn't stop manufacturing it and exporting it to America.
Plus, there's already Chinese companies and other international companies getting ready for a ban in the US. Some companies are already promoting that they use new stealth shipping methods, so US customs can't detect. Some are also promoting that they'll ship your order to another country, under less scrutiny by US customs and your package looks like it came directly from that less suspicious country.
If your stuff gets seized, or it's unacceptable quality, you won't buy from them again and they lose $. They will take every measure not to lose money and protect your shipments so you keep buying.
If a US ban takes place or the FDA enforces it's unconstitutional will to put vape companies in America out of business in Msy, they're just opening up a whole new can of worms. Lol. They're really ignorant if they don't realize vaping won't stop regardless of what they do. We'll just pump billions of dollars into other countrie's economies instead. American is becoming one of the most tyrannical, miserable countries to live in. What happened the "The land of the free"?
Using regular airmail, rather than a mail delivery service and buying a small bottle of higher concentration, rather the a big one of lower concentration, will greatly decrease the chance of it being caught by customs, worst case refuse the delivery and make a new one.
The majority of the nic is produced in the UK, India and China, the English may be stricter, but the Chinese will sell anything to anyone, no questions asked.
Well, buy mods I suppose, but this is a rather well educated subreddit imho. And a DIY one at that. My guess would be that a good majority of people here could figure out how to build a mod like how many were originally doing before it became an industry.
The nicotine thing is real though, the harsh price hike comparatively to just a couple years ago is already crazy to see. :/
Flavor extracts are not solely an e cig product, and in fact pre date e cigs by many a decade. They cant ban flavor concentrates without taking it out of the food and drug scene too
Which would potentially entirely kill the candy and soda industry in particular. Of course it would probably be set up like the chemical supply industry thus just making entry into the market far more difficult. Theoretically big business could inhibit small players from entering entirely via lobbying.
We'd be left with horehound candy were it a full ban. Mind you, that shit is about the only good candy there is.
It wont. Separate flavoring is legal separate nicotine is legal and separate vg and pg are still legal. It's just illegal once mixed. So dont go bragging to your law enforcement buddies about it and you'll be fine.
For me, I give zero fucks. Why should I care about an industry that has its customers travel to D.C. to fight their fight? I hope they crash and burn. More money for me on a local level. At least I give a fuck. My recipes are born of passion and aren't inundated with carcinogenic sucralose.