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Layering of Flavors in Phases
submitted over 5 years ago by MilkOnMars

Hi, I found a lot of mix&vape 60ml/120ml liquids, with distinct "phases" on the flavour distribution in my mouth... it seems more complicated of what really it is...

I would like to create a liquid with a distinct starting flavour (or mix) and a tail note with another flavour... (or a mix)...

The problem is that i would love to do that with one single brand of flavours (right now i'm training myself with FA aromas... ) but still can't reach the distinct divided flavours that i'm looking for...

Can somebody help me? this is pretty hard to discover alone...

Thanks

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

It just depends on flavors used and the amount being used. No need to overcomplicate things. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. There's no secret technique involved.

Id suggest not limiting yourself to flavors from one of brand. That's never a good idea.

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by MilkOnMarsover 5 years ago

The thing is that I'm pretty new to mixing precise amounts of flavors, and I'm experimenting a lot with Fa cause I heard is one of the hardest to learn with... So I'm taking the long route to learn the "pros tricks", I think you are right about that there is no secret involve, just wondering what changes when you are using the same flavor brand in different environments (like same amount of watermelon Fa with sweeteners o jelly beans from different brands). But ye thanks anyway I'm gonna try to swap brands!!!

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

One brand isn't harder to work with than the other. Im not sure where that idea comes from. There are no pro tricks

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by MilkOnMarsover 5 years ago

So where do you think stay the theory behind one flavor hitting before another into a mixed liquid? Specific weight on molecules? Different times on curing of the layers? Advices on good coconut, strawberry and watermelon aromas?

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by sadistic_tendenciesover 5 years ago

Where did you hear this load of horseshit at?

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by juthincover 5 years agoI improved Grack and all I got was this lousy flair

3/8" south of a northbound horse, apparently.

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by SaschaAlexandraover 5 years agoDelightfully Mediocre

😂

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by stabloggerover 5 years ago

I wouldn't consider myself a seasoned or gifted mixer, but from my experience: High goals are nice, but don't overcomplicate and start simple. It's not like you have to re-invent the wheel, start with single flavour testing, tweaking and experimenting with recipes from ELR, ATF.

Check the "blessed trinities" Noted episode for combinations that work well. A good starting point if you e.g. want to make a cream + x, or lemonade + y. In general, the whole "Noted" videos are great to get a first impression and help you build a versatile stock without buying crappy flavours filling up the shelf.

My impression is, that there are no real shortcuts or secrets, it's all about testing and experience. A bit like making music, if you aren't exceptionally talented like Beethoven or Mozart, it's "grunt work" to gain experience.

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by MilkOnMarsover 5 years ago

I agree on this overview... The problem on my pov is that I'm starting with a liquid with simply 3 aromas... I divided it in single layers (testing a 30% from each ingridient alone on 30ml total liquid) and from it I started developing each one of the 3 layers, now I'm testing the mixes and maybe I found the right amount to what I was looking for... My only issue is that all that flavors mix too much together... And I would like to have separated flavors in the same mix... Most likely my next step will be testing different brands, re testing each component with 3 different sweetners... And alone... Anyway I would say thanks to the amount of info that everybody is giving!!! I expected people would insult me online about this concerns... 🤣

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by EdibleMalfunctionover 5 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Uh 30%?

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by MilkOnMarsover 5 years ago

Yep I notice I'm sure 300% of what changes in the total liquid at the end using 30% of flavor in my tests, for the right liquid I make the proporción or simply I stick on the aroma on 30%

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by stabloggerover 5 years ago

Tricky. Really seperating them is impossible I think, but getting more of X on inhale and more of Y on exhale certainly works. E.g. a RY4 will probably give you more tobacco on the inhale and more caramel on exhale.

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by kontraventionover 5 years ago

One of the ways to do this is a fruit/berry with cream/custard recipe, you will definitely get some division there. Or if your into it you can do a fruit and ws-23 mix and the cooling will give you some of the '2 part' feel. But like Ed said dont limit yourself to a certain brand if you have others available, just research good flavors in your desired profile.

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by Denske203over 5 years ago

The best advice I can give to someone newer who wants to get better at mixing is to completely rely on developing your own recipes for a month or longer. Dont mix anyone elses stuff or vape your stash of premium ejuice. Also try to keep ingredients between 2-5 and make small batches. This way you can actually start to understand what flavors offer in a mix and what they work well with. This in my opinion is something every diy mixer should do so you have the ability to make what tastes the best to you. At the end of the day noone knows your tastes better than yourself.

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by SaschaAlexandraover 5 years agoDelightfully Mediocre

And single flavor test everything new that comes in to your collection. There are no shortcuts to gaining the information for yourself. Everyone tastes things differently. Research the recommendation for percentages, make up small testers, taste, steep, taste, steep. Take lots of notes. Good luck.

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by mkweiseover 5 years agoMissing One Flavor

Sounds like what you're looking for is a device with half a dozen coils that can fire independently of one another in a programmable sequence. Interesting concept. Try r/virtualreality.

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by _Laughmore_over 5 years ago

imo you're not crazy. FA bilberry comes to mind because it has an aromatic quality that takes time to register with my senses, and there are other sensations that seem to register quickly. Sucralose lingers as I smack my tongue and reflect on sweetness.

The slowest to register is when you've nailed a particular combination of flavors or compounds, and it triggers a sort of memory - "this reminds me of Betty Crocker cake mix," etc. I think most of the time there's a bit of luck involved because compounds take on new characteristics when mixed and cured and then heated, but those who can actually aim at this target and hit it more than once with one recipe have a gift.

I remember from 2012-2015 there was a guy named HIC (headinclouds) on vapingunderground forums who had a knack for reproducing specific foods with FA (imo it was pretty hit and miss), he gained a decent fan-base at the time but few or none of his recipes "popped" with that delicious "wow" sensation expected of more modern recipes. They were also developed on very low wattage devices of the time.

The more "accurate" recipes had a cascading effect of experience because there was a process of realization in the inhale and exhale. I know you're talking about physical sensations and not just something "psycho-olfactory" (I made that up)... just food for thought.

Last point, buttery sensations are also kind of slow imo.

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by _Laughmore_over 5 years ago

Last point, I think the magic you speak of is in the recipe, not in the process of mixing. The most valuable results will be when the mix is stable after a few weeks. Beyond that, any change in flavor is probably due to oxidation.

I think many mixes that are close to greatness are either missing a tiny bit of one small ingredient, have a tiny bit of something that doesn't belong, or needs tweaking in fractions of a %. I wish the "god tongues" of those people who work for FA, TFA, etc. who develop the compounds for the flavors we use would start vaping....

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