I am planning on starting DIY E-Juice preferably Salt Nics at lower nic strengths 3-12mg but I'm on a very tight budget per month($60). I have found out that I have a lung disease from cigarettes. I smoked 3 packs a day for 14 years. Vaping is the only thing that has worked to keep me off. I went 2 months only smoking 5 cigarettes per day and recently I quit cigarettes completely (2 weeks without a cigarette). My health is improving greatly.
I plan on doing everything to save money because of my tight budget. The problem is that I need to also get E-Juice, Devices and Coils every month to stay off cigarettes. But I'm also trying to get DIY supplies before the Ban-ocalypse hits.
#####I've been advised to get
Nicotine for 3-5 years to store in the freezer and Devices first (at least two mods preferably MTL Tank and box). Because I need a few Rebuildables and MTL because I'm mainly vaping to stay off cigarettes and prefer MTL
Because most juice that are placed on shelf after 2006 will be removed due to PMTA deadline in May 2020. A priority on getting nicotine first because it will be taxed heavily making I not affordable for me.(Most Likely)
So I'm trying to figure what all I need. I guess I can get Cotton's, coil wire and VG/PG/Flavors later on.
#####Question about my Premade Juice I need to mix with Premade Juice to lower strength:
I also have some juice Salts from TBD that where all 50mg which is way to strong for me. I want to get blunt tip syringes kit that has 10ml, 5ml, 3ml and 1ml syringes so I can properly dilute the SaltNics I have now from 50mg to 6-10mg.
"I have the following Liquids:*
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Mango at 2x 30ml at 25mg each.
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Lemon Squares: 1 30ml bottle of 0mg and a 30mlbottle of 50mg.
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Blueberry muffin: 1x 30ml of 0mg and 1x 30ml of 50mg.
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Mystery Flavor: 30ml - 50mg
That's all the juice I have. Since I'm wanting to lower the strength to 3-10mg instead of 25-50mg I feel I need at least syringes. I only have 2x 15ml unicorn bottles and 2x 30ml unicorn bottles to mix in. I don't have a stir stick or anything. But I need to do all of this and still have enough money/materials to stay off cigarettes. Note: I have 2x Uwell Caliburn devices with replacement pod packs for each device. But eventually I need a rebuildable.
#####Syringe kit:
Is this a good strong kit?
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B01HFTYINS/ref=psdcmw_401528011_t1_B0161V0024
####What are the best DIY kits?
Is there better kits that will cover all my needs while still having enough to stay off cigarettes at my current budget of $60/month?
What does everyone recommend?
>The problem is that I need to also get E-Juice, Devices and Coils every month to stay off cigarettes. But I'm also trying to get DIY supplies before the Ban-ocalypse hits.
At this point you have to prioritize your needs. First thing would be nic, second a new setup. TBH a pod kit wont last as long as a decent mod and rebuildables, not to mention coils are a money sink. Look for a decent 2 battery 18650 mod (Aegis legend for durability imo, mines going on a year and a half with no issues) and a MTL atty since you like the Caliburn. Those 2 would be around $60.
>#####I've been advised to get > >Nicotine for 3-5 years to store in the freezer
River supply or liquid barn are both decent places for nic. Personally I would go river supply as you can pick up nic, some empty bottles, vg/pg and a few flavors for $50 to hit free shipping.
>and Devices first (at least two mods preferably MTL Tank and box). Because I need a few Rebuildables and MTL because I'm mainly vaping to stay off cigarettes and prefer MTL
See above- I dont vape MTL but IIRC the berserker and ammit should be decent but research these (both are drippers I believe, may have rta versions)
>#####Question about my Premade Juice I need to mix with Premade Juice to lower strength: > >I also have some juice Salts from TBD that where all 50mg which is way to strong for me. I want to get blunt tip syringes kit that has 10ml, 5ml, 3ml and 1ml syringes
Skip the headache and just get a scale from amazon. I have a cheap $15 one ( https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LGWHNBG/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_i_7-lsEbD9PG8JS ) that works for smaller batches.
>"I have the following Liquids:** > > Mango at 2x 30ml at 25mg each.
You will need 4 to 8 bottles at 0 nic to dilute this to your desired potency. Or, add vg pg and a couple mango concentrates (do some reading on the 'good' ones) to your pre existing juice to stretch it.
>* Lemon Squares: 1 30ml bottle of 0mg and a 30mlbottle of 50mg.
You need 2 or 3 30ml bottles of this in 0 nic to dilute.
>* Blueberry muffin: 1x 30ml of 0mg and 1x 30ml of 50mg.
Again, 2 or 3 30ml 0 nic
>* Mystery Flavor: 30ml - 50mg
3 or 4 0 nic 30mls
>####What are the best DIY kits?
No kits are worth it, need to research and build an order to your tastes.
>What does everyone recommend?
So you have $180 to $240 to spend depending if you spent this months budget already. If I was stocking up I would spend the first $60 on nic alone (well, enough to hit free shipping, so a bunch of nic and a few 30ml bottles to mix the already owned juice into, concentrates if money allows.) Second 60 would be on a device and atty. 3rd 60 would be a backup mod and atty. That is March/April/May. From there all other purchases (vg/pg, concentrates, bottles, scale, wire, batteries and cotton) should be legal and not an issue to obtain.
Thank you for your suggestions.
On the 30ml 50mg bottles I was only trying to get about 10ml of each flavor, for now. Since I don't have 90ml of each flavor in 0mg nicotine.
I'm thinking if I had a 1ml syringe I could just make it by the pod. Just draw up ½ a milliliter of the 25mg and add 1.5ml of 0mg of same flavor every time I fill it until it's gone.
It will cost me too much right now to get 2-3x the amount of 0mg of each flavor so I'm planning on just making small portions to hold me off for now and just buying actual VG/PG maybe even 50/50 because my Caliburn uses that mostly very well.
Yeah thanks for the suggestiond on the tanks. I am wanting the Innokin Zlide D22 MTL Tank and the Vandy Vape Berserker MTL v1.5
I am also looking at the Nautilus S2.
Not sure what Box Mod I should get to house the tanks but I was looking at the Vaporesso Gen/Tarot baby and the Vandy Vape Berserker kit. But honestly I don't care as long as it works, it's cheap and it lasts and will work for multiple MTL tanks.it doesn't have to be the best and I don't care if it's from China. (Likely can't get it from China with what's going on with Coronavirus now)
While the Nautilus might be a decent clearomizer, the fact that it's a clearomizer will ultimately be a problem. You're counting on having coils available to you. Granted, if you're going to be stuck looking for clearomizer coils, having to find Nautilus coils is the easiest variety of that kind of problem to have - as it stands now, it's hard not to find them. As it stands now.
A rebuildable, on the other hand, means that you'll need to be able to find wire and cotton. The world is going to have to change in some pretty major ways before either of those become a problem. Even if you only look at specialty alloy heating wires, like kanthal and nichrome, we're talking about things that are going to be available even after we're all wearing those shiny silver jumps suits and riding around on real hoverboards. (Besides which, for an MTL vaper, you can literally buy a lifetime supply of 28-gauge kanthal for under $20 from TEMCo, assuming immortality doesn't happen before you stop happening. It's just under "resistance wire", and it has all kinds of industrial and manufacturing uses that have zip to do with vaping.) A bag of Muji pads will last you at least five years, and isn't even vaping-specific stuff. Something like it will be available at low cost to your grandchildren's grandchildren.
You want a couple-three-four good MTL RTAs and spares (depending on your budget), some wire and some cotton. Mods, sure. There's your equipment. In fact, all you need for store-bought mod stuff is 510 connectors if you don't have a metal lathe; you can put the rest of a working mechanical mod together out of copper roofing strips from the Home Depot, popsicle sticks and Elmer's glue if it ever comes right down to the clutch. And MTL means you're not nearly as stuck for batteries as a cloud chaser might be. (You can literally vape on AA Eneloops in a pinch if you're sticking to low-wattage MTL... but you might want to make that wire 30-gauge. A 100-watt vaper's gonna need a helluva pile of Eneloops to make it happen.)
If the worst happens, flavourless isn't horrible. It really isn't. It's not what we do around these parts, but if it's what you've got it's quite vapable. PG and VG will always be there for you, even if the suppliers change. Concentrate on the nicotine - while liquid nic won't need to pass a PMTA, it can be taxed to hell and back, and may not always be available in a safe working dilution.
Here is a quote from: u/FishinoutNOLA
>Here's a tidbit from greg troutman of vta last week. "Based on what was discussed this week at the symposium, most stakeholders will likely see no difference come May 13. Work is being done behind the scenes to establish a modified PMTA process (it’s being pushed by both the WH and some high level politicians). Everyone needs to calm down and just play it safe. Don’t do anything to draw attention to yourself. The implicit signal which Azar gave a few weeks ago (this was confirmed at the symposium) is that the FDA isn’t going to go hard unless you give them a reason to."
It looks like we may be getting a revision of the PMTA process before the deadline. That could save the industry. I personally don't like this administration but they did announce they would save "small business" while also saving "the kids"
I e just been terrified having been a person who just made the leap to DIY E-Juice and am working on rebuilding RTAs it looks daunting at best. I have a lung disease so if they remove the ability to vape for me I'll 99% most likely go back to cigarettes and I will die before I'm 40. I've tried to quit cigarettes for over 10 years unsuccessfully until I got back into modern vaping.
I was an old-school vaper who used small box mods and Cartomizers back in 2010ish that's why I went towards MTL and Pod mods like the Caliburn. Because it's a Cartomizer in disguise as a Pod.
The best advice at this point is to read every post in the sidebar. It will answer almost all of your equipment other than those about equipment.
I recommend using Nude Nicotine for Nic and Bull City flavors for your flavors. Both sites also have DIY supplies and if you have orders that are $50 or something it makes a huge difference. I’m on a $60/mo vape budget myself and it’s tough sometimes, but it can be done. I also think that one of the keys to keeping under $60 is buildableI gear, like you said. I would stay away from the stuff on Amazon, except syringes and bottles. This YouTube channel that has some tips and tricks if you’d like to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCP5DDg1wLmXg3hmKDeuG8VA
I’m just now hearing about this tax that’s going to be placed on nicotine but can’t find any literature on it. Is this going to be a federal level tax, state, etc. When is it going to be imposed and how much are we talking here? I’m in the US btw
It's from bills that are trying to be passed. I also expect it to be taxed. The US never lets a substance go without being taxed and regulated. It's basically unregulated right now in the FDA's eyes not being cGMP compliant and not approved by the FDA via PMTA. Eventually months to a few years there will be added taxes just like cigarettes have.
The state, government and big corporations make millions possibly billions off taxing hot items like vaping nicotine. I don't know the date but I know it's coming. If you look at the bills being perposed across the they are asking for a 80% tax on E-Juice containing Nicotine and are trying to hit devices with other taxes much smaller.
I’ll be honest, I really don’t care if it gets taxed. Imo being taxed will only legitimize it even more so. Of course I would prefer it to not be some sort of exorbitant cost but my only real concern is all of these bullshit bans. Tax it all you want just do not take away our access. Once the government starts getting “their piece of the pie” the sooner they’ll just back off of us.
I'm fine with regulations as long as they are reasonable. The bills I've seen for taxes are 80% that's nearly 2x the cost on E-Juice. So that makes a $17 (30ml bottle) of NicSalts cost an additional $13.60 making it $30 instead of $17.
This won't include state and other taxes on Nicotine products.
The way other substances have been banned before made it so we had no access to the substances without a prescription and pharma can charge what they want. Something that cost them 0.30¢ to make cost a patient around $500.
But people like me who have health conditions and can't work who are on low fixed incomes can't afford additional costs. Just planning on mixing my own juice eventually. Working on getting everything now.
I'm about to get a simple Base Kit that has the VG/PG/Nicotine in it premixed then just add my flavors I want. It will only cost me $30-$50 to make 16x 30ml bottles of whatever flavor I want.
If you are looking for cheap, good quality bottles for diy, eightvape.com hs them ridiculously cheap right now for the 30/60/100ml sizes. I have bought a TON of mixing bottles from their overstock because I make really large batches AND I pass on my vape juices to several family members who are just starting out and/or struggling financially. flavorjungle.com has 10ml bottles for sale at a good price, especially if you buy 100 ($22.99) I use nudenicotine.com for my nicotine....I use their "smooth" salts because I hate the "throat hit" that comes with both traditional nic salt and freebase nicotine. I believe riversupplyco.com (formerly "Nicotine River") also has a version of the "smooth hit" or "low hit" nicotine. I am mentioning this because of what you said about having lung issues. I am a former smoker of 35+ years, been vaping on & off since 2009, quit cigs for good July 2019. I have a ton of pod systems & a fair few mods, I will be happy to answer questions about vaping and diy on a budget.
Is it possible for me to get a mod and juice next month on a $60 budget? I don't see how the mods seem to be $50 kits. And that won't allow me to get coils or juice.
The following month is it possible for me to get the nicotine for DIY the places you mentioned to stock up for later and also get coils/juice for the month
On a month to month purchase plan?
Definitely. Both vapebargains.com and eliquid.com have a payment option thru sezzle, which is a 4 payment option (1/4 of total purchase billed to your credit card every 2 weeks.) What kind of mod are you looking for? I have a couple that are new still in the box, and a couple more that have only been brought out to test to make sure they work. I have coils for most of them also.
What exactly are you asking?
How do I get enough supplies before the PMTA deadline while being on a $60 budget per month while still getting what I need to stay off cigarettes while I'm building up DIY supplies for the regs coming.
PMTA has nothing to do with diy aside from a few vape specific flavor houses and nicotine.
VG, PG and flavors are specifically vaping products.
Yes I know VG&PG won't be banned. But PMTA is going to kill juice/devices and remove them from the market if they where not on the market before 2006. Otherwise 99% of all the market will be removed because most can't pay 500k to 2billion for the PMTA approval. Not to mention PMTA doesn't even guarantee their products will be approved. I know a vendor that's a B&M (small business)that has to pay PMTA for all products on shelf/market after 2006 not by lot number but mix number which will cost him 1.8Million USD( 100% of their juice and 99% of their devices) so more than 90% of the market will be gone come may 2020 deadline. Obviously because no one can afford it and willshut down due to this 2020 PMTA deadline.
He is personally on NJ but it will be similar inall states since juice is 90% of every vaping sales forcing the majority to close, even many online sites. Honestly I think online markets will be the most intact. But who knows what comes next. This has happened with hundreds of substances before and they didn't back off. They placed bill after bill until it was scheduled.
From what I understand VG & PG & Flavors are used for many things unlike nicotine. So they will likely be on the market for a long time.
Nicotine will have expensive taxes especially if the bills go through which are asking for 80% tax on E-Cig products and Juice.
I'm only trying DIY to save money and to be able to afford vaping for years to come no matter the laws, regulations and taxes made on nicotine, product removal and majority of the market shutting down.
I'm only trying to get supplies so I don't go back to cigarettes since my lungs are bad. I can't smoke again and I'm afraid I could if I had no nicotine.
Edited a typo from 18B to 1.8M
If you are trying to dilute the nic that much, it's going to absolutely ruin the flavor.
Maybe I wasn't clear. I have zero nic of the same flavors with the 25-50mg of the same flavor. Thinking adding (50mg/30ml) to 0mg to the same flavor made by the same company TBD Liquids shouldn't make it lose flavor I think.
I was planning on taking ¼ of my 25mg added to my 0mg of same flavor to make 6.25mg.
#####Example:
If I did it just in my Caliburn pod. The max liquid they hold is 2ml of juice.
So ¼ of 2ml = ½ of a ml.
So i put ½ a ml of 25mg Lemon Squares in the pod with 1.5ml of 0mg lemon Squares from TBD. And that should be 6.25mg Lemon Squares in a 2ml pod.
But I'm hoping to have bigger syringes to make larger size bottle of liquid in bulk.
That doesn't have anything to do with making juice.