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SD Flavor ban being debated on Tuesday
submitted over 5 years ago by sodakdaveHas successfully memorized the sidebar

HB 1064 in South Dakota is being debated on Tuesday. Included among the typical flavor bans is language that makes simply possessing flavored juice punishable by up to 30 days in jail. It also classifies "flavor" as either the flavor or simply the aroma of the vapor. It's one of the most draconian bills I've seen.

If you're in SD, this will criminalize flavored DIY entirely.

They looking to also include an amendment banning mint flavor, leaving the only legal vape flavor left as tobacco.

If you're in SD, PLEASE contact your rep and let them know that you do not support this.

Link to the text of the bill: http://sdlegislature.gov/Legislative_Session/Bills/Bill.aspx?File=HB1064P.html&Session=2020&Version=Introduced&Bill=1064

EDIT: UPDATE! Bill is dead!!!!

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by gibbie420over 5 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I didn't know about this and just skimmed that proposition. I am rooting for you all from Pennsylvania... it really turns my stomach to see this pushback to vaping. TWO+ YEARS NOW Since I had my last cigaratte, and the ONLY REASON is because of vaping.

Do they just want us to smoke again? Because this is how they do that.

Ehh... yeah that's probably exactly what big tobacco wants.

13 points
 
by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

"But I must do what I can to save the children! Once I've done that I'll go home and drink my hard lemonade followed by a couple shots of cotton candy flavored vodka"

8 points
 
by sadistic_tendenciesover 5 years ago

They can't ban anything we use other than nicotine. Well they could but not without impacting many other industries that have absolutely nothing to do with vaping. It will never pass in it's current form.

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by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

I hope so. The way they're going about it however, they're not banning the flavors, they're criminalizing the possession of a flavored vapor product. If I buy the flavors and mix it, I would be a criminal by simply possessing the completed juice.

5 points
 
by mixsomniaover 5 years ago

consider if you have a bottle of e-liquid if you mixed your self how are police going to know what it's for?You can simply say it's to make scented soap since the ingredients are basically the same

They need to prove what it's for and the only way to do that is a nicotine titration test which is expensive and time consuming and put's the law at odds with nicotine in cigarettes being legal?

This kind of law is nearly impossible to enforce even if it does pass, jailing people for what nicotine possession?!

edit: im not saying people shouldn't fight this bill they should, I just don't think this kind of law will happen or can be enforced especially with cigarettes being legal

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by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

There's language in the bill that specifically calls out aromas.

If you're vaping, and it doesn't smell like tobacco, you're in possession of a flavored vapor product. This includes 0 nic products. They're bypassing the nicotine aspect of it.

The language includes mint and menthol, but there's an amendment to remove mint from that.

>Characterizing flavor," a taste or aroma, other than the taste or aroma of tobacco, mint, or menthol, imparted either prior to or during the use of an electronic smoking device or vapor product;

Basically if your vape smells fruity, it's enough for them. It has absolutely nothing to do with the nicotine content.

1 points
 
by Fizzwidgyover 5 years ago

Legislation that doesn't make sense, unfortunately, has been known to pass before.

Get out and VOTE!

2 points
 
by sadistic_tendenciesover 5 years ago

No they actually couldn't on this one. It would mean going to war with the food industry. Not gonna happen.

1 points
 
by Fizzwidgyover 5 years ago

Prudence is key, get out and vote regardless, and perhaps we can roll back some of these damaging policies.

7 points
 
by Morgan_Druryover 5 years agoCoil Sauce Sommelier

Vaping seems trivial compared to their self admitted meth epidemic. South Dakota should probably focus on tackling that.

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by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

Don't worry, we're on it.

There's a lot of things they should be focusing on rather than this...

1 points
 
by dlbearover 5 years ago

Ironic upvote.

2 points
 
by mkweiseover 5 years agoMissing One Flavor

Yeah, but is the meth fruit flavored?

1 points
 
by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

Blue raspberry baby!

6 points
 
by michaelHIJINXover 5 years ago

Cop: I searched your backpack and found a 100mL bottle of custard flavor. That's a possession with intent to distribute charge.

Adult Male: I'm on my way to grandma's house to make cookies... I swear!

Cop: That's what they all say... Bag him & tag him boys!

5 points
 
by havinthangs2010over 5 years ago

Well every one is SD should remember this come voting for your state ! The shit is a jk already ..

3 points
 
by QueenBuzyBeeover 5 years ago

I sure hope it doesn‘t pass, but if it does, I think it will be overturned in the future. It has happened in several states and it makes me happy. What really is infuriating though is that the government can take away your livelihood, no freedom in that. And I guess that vapers haven’t really been rallying in significant numbers.

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by hunter8333over 5 years ago

I’m sitting in the vape shop that I work at in SoDak rn and I’ve contacted perry and the majority of the proponents of this bill and told them how it would affect me and how it has helped me off cigarettes and swishers in the past. 4 years tobacco free and life couldn’t be better. It’s an attack on personal freedom of law abiding adults because parents can’t discipline their kids and keep vapes off their children. That’s why this whole thing started because the school district in Aberdeen cried to perry about vaping in schools.

2 points
 
by SD_Bitchover 5 years ago

Here's part of the email CASAA sent out earlier today:

https://imgur.com/a/rzi7USx

2 points
 
by ghosthoogee767over 5 years ago

Crazy as shit

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by cjinctover 5 years ago

> language that makes simply possessing flavored juice punishable by up to 30 days in jail.

That's part of a chapter for tobacco sales and distribution.

It's so that if they inspect a retail establishment that has boxes of 'flavored products' on site, they can't claim they weren't selling it so no harm, no foul. This language means if it's in your store, it counts as selling it.

It doesn't mean a random citizen of SD

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by sodakdaveover 5 years agoHas successfully memorized the sidebar

The unlawful actions section (34-46-2) not only includes actions by merchants, but also actions taken by individuals (straw purchases).

> To purchase a tobacco product on behalf of, or to give a tobacco product to, any person under the age of eighteen;

The additional possession wording to be added to that section has no language restricting it to retail establishments.

1 points
 
by -fryguy-over 5 years ago

You will be able to buy a legal pot device but dark web markets for vape equipment

1 points
 
by rapemybonesover 5 years agoFrugivore

(if the law passes) I wonder if sellers could use Amazon/eBay and just list certain products in a way that circumvents the laws. What I mean is for example on Amazon you're not allowed to sell things like CBD or vape products, but TONS of sellers do anyway because they don't list them as such (and there's little way to prove how you'll use them); so they list CBD oils as "Hemp extract oils", and they list premade vape coils as "coils for electrical/radio hobbiests" and they get away with it. So jw if perhaps they could at least sell no-nic vape juices as "humidifier aromas" or something to skirt around the law, if it bans sale of juice (nic would be tougher to circumvent though of course).

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by Entropical-islandover 5 years ago

eBay killed their hand made coil market in the US. I was considering selling some extra aliens and staples and whatever that I made, checked eBay for how much they usually go for, then a few days later all of the coil sellers were gone.

1 points
 
by mjag1over 5 years ago

Damn, I thought it was San Diego, I would have drove 2 hours for that. If anyone hears of a ban around that area I would appreciate a DM or tag, I am all for fighting for our rights.

1 points
 
by pevinsghostover 5 years agoVanilla Peppercorn Ice Cream Taster

This would easily pass the bar as a bill of attainder, so it's unconstitutional.

Unfortunately it can take years and a looot of money to get a law overturned on constitutional grounds.

1 points
 
by ghosthoogee767over 5 years ago

Why do they have the opinion and power no gov . No Regulations. Stay in there lane .

1 points
 
by izbaldover 5 years ago

Anyone can send an e-mail lrc@sdlegislature.gov

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