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You see the sidebar on the right? Yes that one. Click on "Flavor Safety".
Not all mint flavors contain oil.
There’s at least two concentrates missing from INW containing oils, for INW Jamaica Rum I’m certain it contains orange oil as I have the original blister packaging with the consumer warnings right in front of me.
Personally that renders the Flavor Safety database more than useless to me. In fact I’m almost tempted to call it counter productive, as it may lead other people as well to assume if a concentrate isn’t listed therefore it doesn’t contain any potential harmful ingredients. Not impressed.
I'm almost tempted to call you a moron, but I won't. I'll just ask for the better list that you spent months making on your own free time and expense and published for free to help this community.
Or at least, for your help in adding those flavors you talk about, on the existing list by providing the paperwork that mentions they contain harmful components.
Mind if I do it then? Cause that statement was pure moronic.
It's an ongoing list that are constantly being worked on and therefor, it cannot be seen as of yet to be done. However that alone does not mean, that the list is "useless" or "counter productive".
But please do show us the better list.
No need for personal insults.
As I’m sourcing Inawera concentrates directly from a polish reseller, all 10 ml bottles come with a blister packaging with included health and safety warnings. I’m pretty sure INW Eucalyptus with Mint contains peppermint oil, I’m certain INW Jamaican Rum contains orange oil and according to the SDS published by wizardlabs INW AM4A contains pine oil.
In its current state the list doesn’t serve as a reliable source and can potentially lead people making the wrong assumption as in if a flavour isn’t on the list, it doesn’t contain a certain ingredient.
There was an issue related to the parsing of INW filenames - their SDS got updated, the filenames changed but a regex needed to be updated. The four or five INW flavors that were missing will be on the site in a few minutes. Thanks for your feedback.
EDIT: https://safety.diyejuice.org/flavor/inw-jamaica-rum
Nothing IS safe and I do understand your meaning and intention, but often things are also not "unsafe." You didn't actually use the word unsafe, but it's implied as the opposite of all this "safe." The dose makes the poison and no one actually knows if the dose is enough to be poison. It's very very ok to take harm reduction and risk reduction as far as you want, but how about we use the terms "more risky" and "less risky" instead?
Or better yet, just say "I'd like to avoid peppermint oil, which mint and menthol flavors can I use?" and not have to do this whole safety dance.
That's some good advice. Would you have any recommendations for a less risky cooling alternative?
WS-23, Polar Blast, Koolada, FLV Cool Menthol, FW Menthol - I don't think any of these things have peppermint oil in them.
If you want some mint without peppermint oil and not just cooling/menthol, I don't think they found any peppermint oil in either FA or FLV's peppermint or spearmint flavors. Love me some FLV Peppermint and FLV Creme de Menthe.
> how about we use the terms "more risky" and "less risky" instead
Better yet: known risks vs. unknown risks.
Lack of known risks is more likely to mean that an ingredient hasn't been studied, than that it's been studied and found completely safe to use in the way we do.
I beg to differ.
If it’s not only meant to cause a ruckus or troll, nobody concerned about the safety and health risks of vaping should have to mince their words or voice their concerns and questions in the most neutral of ways.
The first thing I personally learned when I started vaping was: only use juices with water soluble ingredients and avoid oils at all costs. That’s even more true once you start doing serious diy like NETs or coffee extracts, etc.
As I come from smoking tobacco, as long as I can remember there’s the warning that commercial cigarettes contain additives which are deemed safe ingested but the effects when they are combusted are largely not researched or the research hasn’t been published. Sound familiar?
In the country I live in we have a State Agency to assess risks to the public health. Last word from them on vaping in a nutshell: vaping according to what we know poses no immediate threat to public health. By no means does that mean that it’s beneficial for your health. It doesn’t kill you on the spot neither. Good enough for me.
In my mind, being open to discussion and having an argument is more beneficial and productive than to mince words. There’s assumptions made on both ends of the spectrum, that’s the nature of the beast.
Menthol crystals don't contain peppermint oil, they are a crystalized ingredient of peppermint oil, which is itself extracted from mint. Peppermint oil is about 40% menthol (terpene) plus a bit menthone (terpene) and menthyl acetate (terpene) and neomenthol (terpene) and isomenthol (terpene). It can also be created synthetically. So, they aren't fatty oils, from the health point of view, it's in the same category as lemon, orange, many herb flavours, etc.
WS-23 (as well as WS-3 aka Koolada is a cooling agent from Wilkinson Sword and was made for use in shaving cream. No real research on it, the WHO assumes there may be a genotoxic effect and additional research is required https://pubchem.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/compound/2-Isopropyl-N_2_3-trimethylbutanamide
My personal point of view: There are hunderds of chemical compounds in flavours that may not be super healthy, but we vape them in a very low doses, these compounds are often used in food and cosmetics in much higher amounts. Compared to the toxins and carcinogens from combustible cigarettes, this stuff is a joke and breating the air in any larger city or many workplaces is much more dangerous in comparison, too.
Short: I'd personally consider everything you mentioned safe.
Menthol vapes are made from menthol crystals that are diluted in PG, no oil anywhere near that stuff
You need to click on "Flavor Safety" too. Several mint flavors contain peppermint oil.
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Edit: mixed menthol for mint. Need coffee.