I mean the first thing that comes to mind is given that most of my mixing will be the typical 70vg/30pg ratios which will result in going through more VG than PG, getting nicotine in a VG base might help offset that a little bit over time?
I would imagine that nicotine in a PG base might mix ever so slightly better? Given that it has much less viscosity, yeah? Or is the difference too minimal to matter?
I dunno... random thoughts, I’m new, go easy on me.
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I find it *much* easier to work with getting my nicotine in 100% PG.
Advantages: You can chuck it in the freezer, and it's still able to be poured after being removed. You're mixing 70vg/30pg anyway, so you'll also find that after doing the math you won't have to worry much about keeping huge containers of PG around (you'll not need that much depending on what nicotine strength you are shooting for).
Even VG in the fridge becomes a bit of a pain to work with.
I recently moved my supplies to the basement, where its about 10-15 degrees (F) cooler. Pouring VG into my small-necked bottles has become significantly more difficult.
Yeah I’ve definitely read that nic should be refrigerated or kept in the freezer in large quantities.
I’ve noticed a couple of times that liquid barn tends to be out of stock more often on PG based nic strengths more So than VG. So I presumed that most people are using PG base for nic.
I’ve been planning my mixing around using Nic Salt solution rather than freebase. I just find salt to be much smoother. I’ll be mixing 3mg to 6mg nic salt juices at 70/30 for sub ohm, and 50/50 at 25mg for my pod system. I’ve tried a few ‘sub ohm’ salts and really prefer them to your average freebase juices, so I figure If anything it’ll just make it easier to purchase one big bottle of Nic Salt solution from LB for both. Just need to figure out which strength makes the most sense based on the numbers above.
I got mine in a PG base, having the same thoughts of it mixing better. The last thing that I want are nic hotspots. I got mine at 60mg/ml so there is plenty of wiggle room for me to use whatever VG/PG ratio in my end mix, though I usually just do a 60/40 in the end anyway.
Yeah I was looking at getting the 100mg/ml but it seems I’d be having to add really small amounts of it at a time, where it might be easier to get a lower strength. I suppose it’s just preference, just curious what everyone else’s preferences are 😝
Those were my thoughts. 1L of 100mg would get me through multiple years.
Otherwise, you could cut it down to a lower level (40, 50, 60mg) to make it easier to use. Those were my thoughts when I realized those points when I thought that I had ordered 100mg. It did turn out that I ended up deciding to order 60mg last minute, so I didn't have to.
The way I see it, only advantage to buying vg based nic is if you're going to make high vg juice.
Max VG juice
Right, you can still make high VG juice with PG nic, though 100mg/ml or more will make it easier
If you bought a big load of PG in your first order for mixing, thinking you'd need around equal amounts of PG and VG (I thought this), you can get your first load of nic in higher VG. 50/50.
When you've burned through that first order, just get the nic in 100% PG. You'll barely have to buy any PG after that then. I have like a litre of it in the fridge I'll never touch. Don't need it.
I'm a PG man, much easier to work with out of the fridge. Only time it has been an issue was when trying to make a high salt nic juice in a 50/50 outcome. If I had 250mg/ml its not an issue. But if you are making a 50mg batch and it calls for a large percentage of flavor and your using 100mg/ml or less you may not be able to hit your mark.
I personally like a 50/50 mix. My first big bottle of nicotine was 100% VG. It was a real pain to work with. You have to worry about hot spots and such. I was mostly mixing at 80% VG or higher, so it seemed like a solid choice, A little too solid tho!
100% PG is too runny for me. I'm messy enough without having my nicotine all splashy!
I now use 50/50 100mg/mL. I can customize to whatever easily. I buy smaller bottles of PG cuz I don't need much. Its viscosity is near perfect for me. My basement is a little cold, but 50/50 is still very easy to work it once I thaw it from the freezer.
Seeing as I’m in EU, with max nic in a bottle being 20mg, I buy 70vg30pg because If I have 100% PG nicotine I have to pour so much of it in, it makes some juices come out 60/40 even if i want 70/30 or higher VG. I’m planning on a high nic order from across the pond and I’m definitely ordering 100% PG 200mg that I can store in the freezer.
So it’s circumstantial I guess
if you have a recipe that needs more than 30% flavour and your aiming for 70vg/30pg final mix then you probablly need VG nicotine. thats the only thing I think about.
shouldnt PG nic provide more throat hit than VG nic ?
maybe thats another reason to use VG nic if you dont fancy throat hit as much
It depends on what you get your flavors in. I've only ever gotten flavors in PG so having nic in VG lets me maintain a 30/70vg ratio across the board of nic strenghts. For example if I wanted to make a 50/50 blend for pods and had PG nic but also PG flavors at 50MG, I wouldn't be able to achieve that.
I used to get my nic 100% VG, in 120 mL “samples”. At the onset of the discussions about the massive tax proposals on mixing supplies I hurriedly ordered a full 1 L bottle of nic. Accidentally ordered in PG. seems to be for the best. I’ve only mixed one batch, but it seems like the lower viscosity makes it easier to mix the nic easily before use. There have been times where I got lazy with mixing the nic up before pouring it into the dilutants, and I’d get “hot spots” where it seemed like the nic was higher than I intended. No such problem with PG. plus as someone else said, the PG holds up well to freezing.
I’ve got it broken out into 120 mL bottles, each double wrapped in plastic wrap, then single wrapped in aluminum foil, then paper towel for shock absorption, then double ziplock freezer bags.
10-year vap0er here, mixing about six. A PG-base nicotine liquid is so much easier to work with than the alternative and has so little carrier relative to the other ingredients in any recipe, there is no perceptible difference (to my taste) compared to the same recipe using VG-base.
IIMHumbleO, YMMV but I'd urge home-brewers to try to see if it's preferable. For you, personally, the only one who really matters in this scenario.
Final tip, particularly useful when you get frustrated: It's supposed to be fun.
Yeah, I’ve not been mixing as long as you. Been doing it for 2 years or so though, so I’ve got a pretty good process down at this point. The issue with the VG was adequately mixing up the nic base so that there were no high nic spots and then inadvertently overshooting on nic level for a batch.
So far as the flavor of the mixed juice, yeah I can’t taste a difference.
Indeed. What I do means nothing, but I mix a base of my preferred percentage nic, 18% saline/water, equally with the remaining percentage VG. This is what I enter into the calculator prior to entering flavors and weighing my ingredients. Again, strictly to my taste but if you choose to use even a similar amount of pure water will make it.
Something I picked up from one of the real pros here is to mix VG-based nic liquid, roll the container rather than trying to shake it which will fill the base with bubbles, arguably leading to problems during and after mixing.
Hope this is more help than hindrance but if the latter, post back. If I don't pick up, somebody smarter than I will answer back.
Ive used both but vg based nic is far easiar to use than pg.
How so?
When mixing I find that vg comes out slower so its easiar to get a more accurate fill. Also less chance of spilling or splashing it and since i mix 100% nic thats important. I mix by weight. Using syringes wouldnt matter I wouldnt think.