One of my favorite liquids is SaltNicLabs Dry Tobacco, which is...pretty much what it says on the tin, a dry tobacco with no sweet notes whatsoever. I can't get it anymore because I live in a flavor ban state, so I'm strictly DIY at this point.
NJOY also somehow nailed the dryness I was after in one of their Loop pod tobaccos...I want to say the Classic Tobacco? It's a very pleasantly woody, slightly wood-smokey, dry tobacco similar to SaltNicLabs Dry Tobacco.
I'm wondering if any of the tobacco experts here have had any luck in achieving a similarly dry, minimal-to-no-sweetness tobacco profile, and whether or not they did so by using specific tobacco flavorings that were already on the dry side to begin with, or if relying on additives like Bitter Wizard is the way to go.
https://imgur.com/ZxTwQb8
Yup, aware of that flowchart and have quite a few of those, thanks! I’m more looking for ways to preserve the character of the middle grouping, while drying out the sweetness in mixes featuring them. Not necessarily looking for ashy/dirty, just drier/more savory cased/sauced leaf notes.
Gold Ducat is ashy? That is news to me. Where are the NETs?
Hopefully this is at least kinda helpful. In my experience thus far, NETs (Naturally Extracted Tobaccos) are your best place to start. 90% of the synthesized tobacco flavors I have encountered have a definite sweet note somewhere in them. At least with most the big boys: CAP,TFA,FLV,FA, etc. My experience in recommendations here is useless as I have been very lucky, and a lab I work with makes their own tobacco extractions, which they don't sell and typically don't let people at.
However, I know Stixx Mixx has some NET's and I am sure there's other commercially available ones. Also, not to say all NETs are gunna be dry or non sweet, but again, I have personally worked with some that are, so at least a point in the right direction.
Also, FLV Back Bar bitters works to cut some sweetness out in some scenarios, but it definetly has a bit of a taste that will potentially affect some Tobaccos. Can compliment nicely as well, but don't think that's what your going for here. Worth noting though. Best of luck, Sir.
NET's tend to be pretty crude and to clogg up atomizers in no-time though.
Not all of them. La Tabaccheria NETs treat your coils better than SM and Naturally-Extracted-Tobacco.
You might have luck with FA 7 leaves ultimate as a base to build on. It's fairly dry and "woodsy" on its own.
Past that TFA toasted almond might help add a bit of smoke without bringing a meaningful amount of sweetener with it
Oh, yeah, I remember you mentioning it a while back! What’s a good starting percentage for it solo? I’d like to get to know it in a 10ml tester and then work from there. I’ll check out TFA Toasted Almond too!
You could probably push it to 4-5% solo
That was excellent advice. I also found SlashaLO's The Classic recipe on ATF and used that as a starting point, subbing out FLV Wood Spice for FLV Kentucky Blend instead, because I just can't even with Wood Spice (tastes too much like someone tried to cover up the smell of a soiled gerbil cage by sprinkling some Old Spice aftershave into it). 7 Leaves Ultimate and FA Oakwood are the 2 star ingredients in that recipe.
Was decent, but then tweaked it to taste with a little bit of FA Black Fire, tiny bit of INW DNB, a little bit of MTS, and a tiny bit of Bitter Wizard. It's pretty promising at this point, even as a SNV, and I'll be seeing how it ages over the next week or so.
I'd look at spices as part of the solution. Basil is possibly too sweet for you, but tarragon, oregano, cinnamon, nutmeg and thyme all could reinforce the woody/leafy dry vibe without adding much sweet.
Of course, i haven't really tried much of this, since I'm more a dessert tobacco type.
Interesting, those already exist in concentrate form?
FLV rich cinnamon.
FA cardamom.
There's a nutmeg labeled as 'eggnog', don't recall who does that one.
FLV pumpkin spice may be useful.
And solubarome makes sage, rosemary and thyme (but no parsley, dammit) as well as tarragon and a few others.
I'm still pretty new, so I can't tell you what flavor it is doing it, but one of the flavors in both the Hinterlander (which has become my adv recently now that it's cold) and Southerner makes it rather dry. It's got to be either FLV Cured Tobacco or the Red Burley as it's my understanding that Lovage Root makes them "wetter" and they don't share any other ingredients. The wood spice makes the Hinterlander drier though (and spicy).