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What makes commercial juice so tasty?
submitted almost 6 years ago by MarchtoRuin

I like fruit and candy and I'm new to diy so I've been trying single flavors with a little sweetener. They dont have that pop that I taste with commercial stuff. They have a bit of a perfume flavor. How do they do it? Has anyone worked for a commercial juice maker and have any inside tips?

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by Enyawreklawalmost 6 years agoCreator - Best Recipe of 2015: Rhodonite

A lot of commercial development comes from finding that "right" ingredient that packs a ton of flavor, scales well, and sweetens well. Once that is found, recipes are usually built around that ingredient. Capella Super Sweet at 1-2% allows this already pretty flavorful recipe to stick on the tongue, and allows shittier RDA/RTA/Subtanks to produce respectable flavor. Citruses can help add that "pop" to fruits and candies. Steeping is also a bigger difference, as these juices normally have at least a few weeks to chill out. Don't be afraid to crank your ingredients.

And lastly, that commercial juice you like is probably stolen off ELR/ATF. I wish I was joking.

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by Apexifiedalmost 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

This is the most legit answer in the thread. Unfortunately there are too many people around here these days who don't know why you know what you're talking about.

edit: of course when I said this, the comment had like 8 upvotes.

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by Trashocasteralmost 6 years ago

The amount of people that don’t realise commercial juices are typically built off one dominant ingredient is staggering.

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by nightshardalmost 6 years ago

Capella super sweet is nothing special, it's just 15% sucralose in PG.

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by Scappoose_Stanalmost 6 years ago

Wayne, I've got to tell you what a great resource you've been to me for the past 3 months since I started DIY. I'm finally understanding how to tweak my recipes (most of them based on yours.) Your flavor notes, insights, and encouragement have made this an awesome experience - I wish I'd started sooner! Your videos should be required viewing for every DIY'er.

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by Enyawreklawalmost 6 years agoCreator - Best Recipe of 2015: Rhodonite

I'm glad I could be of service.

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by UnappreciatedRobotalmost 6 years agoI have no idea what I'm doing

They have access to the same flavors that we do, but most of them use insane amounts of sweeteners which destroy coils and mute flavors, especially when you get used to juices without them.

What %s have you been resting at for what flavors? Most single flavors aren’t going to give absolutely amazing results either, which is why we create recipes.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

I know its sweetener but that's not it. I can add a bunch of sweetener and it helps but doesn't pop!

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by UnappreciatedRobotalmost 6 years agoI have no idea what I'm doing

Well there’s no magical ingredient that they’re all adding... making a blueberry recipe? Lemon will help it pop. Want to add wetness, use a bit of INW Pear.

We have some tricks that people have learned from experimenting, but there is no one special flavor that makes everything great. In fact, a lot of us don’t like commercial juice anymore because we can tailor DIY to our own tastes and commercial juices are typically too sweet

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

What flavors are you even using? You can't polish a turd.

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by MasterBeernutsalmost 6 years agoMixologist

The turd in question is TFA Raspberry Sweet.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

Been doing anywhere between 8 - 14% total flavor

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by UnappreciatedRobotalmost 6 years agoI have no idea what I'm doing

For single flavors? That’s way too much for about 95% of flavors. What specific flavors are you using?

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

For multiple flavors 8-14%. Single flavor I did 10% raspberry (sweet) TFA I think with 1% sweetener

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by flavorahalmost 6 years ago

Commercial Juice is so tasty? Dude, i'm not a super taster personally, but I do test THOUSANDS of commercial juices from around the world. Many hundreds each vape show and I would not say they are on average tasty. As a point of fact, they are over sweetened coil killers. As a rule, they are bland and redundant (90% rift from the same flavor ideas). As a matter of opinion they use too much flavoring so that they will "pop" in the shop but become unbearable after 50% of the bottle is gone. DIY gives you immense power to explore new stuff that is WAY tastier than most commercial juices. Just give it some time and some day in the future, you will be surprised that you made this post.

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by NikonNevzorovalmost 6 years ago

That's why I love Emoji Melonberry so much. It's really subtle and creamy so it doesn't wear your taste buds out. Same with menthol juices--they tend to put the sweeteners and really intense flavors in the background more so the menthol pops, which means they don't get boring super quickly.

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by satoryzenalmost 6 years ago

I tink you're right.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sensory-specific_satiety

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by Kaldausalmost 6 years ago

Here is a website that has a ton of features to help you make your juice and has recipes in both volume and weight so you can easily follow them, you can also put all your flavors in and it will show you which recipes you have the right flavors for, I think it might really help you get a better idea of what and how much of things to add, if you have any questions dont hesitate to ask, there really isnt any difference between what DIYers use and the big guys, its just a matter of getting your proportions right, dont get discouraged sometimes it takes some time, just relax and try and have fun and it will happen :) I wish you the best of luck and happy vaping, I am happy to make you a video if you are still having problems or feel free to check out the videos on my you tube, :D

https://e-liquid-recipes.com/

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by juthincalmost 6 years agoI improved Grack and all I got was this lousy flair

You shoulda linked to a site without recipes from the dark ages clogging it up.

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by Moist_Pizzaalmost 6 years ago

> you can also put all your flavors in and it will show you which recipes you have the right flavors for

I’ve been looking for something like this! Must not show up on mobile though since I can’t seem to find this feature anywhere.

Edit: I figured it out! Thanks for the tip. I had to register and create a “stash” first.

https://e-liquid-recipes.com/stash

Then I went to the following link:

https://e-liquid-recipes.com/whatcanimake

What an awesome feature. I have so many flavors and didn’t know this existed.

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by Kaldausalmost 6 years ago

So glad you got it working and are enjoying it, if there is anything else I can do to help feel free to let me know :D Happy vaping!!

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by DrBrogboalmost 6 years ago

Single flavor testing is how you determine where a particular juice would fit within a recipe (is this strawberry earty? Is it sweet? Does it have a sharp top-note? Is it a real strawberry or a candy strawberry? etc.), not how commercial juice is made (they're blends of quite a few flavors usually).

It's very common for an experienced mixer looking for a good strawberry flavor to layer in 2-3 different strawberries, depending on what they're looking for. X flavor is the base, Y flavor is the sharp top note, and Z flavor is the sweetness, etc.

I suggest all DIY newbies to pick some highly rated recipes from ELR or ATF and mix those up, then decide if they want to start tweaking from there. Single flavor testing is something to get in to later, not something to start with (in my opinion).

Also, some flavors are naturally perfumey, but usually it means you're pushing that flavor to a higher percentage than you should.

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

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by falls_asleep_readingalmost 6 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I typically use strawberry, strawberry sweet and strawberry ripe in varying percentages in any strawberry recipe. Same with blueberry: I often use blueberry, blueberry wild, and blueberry extra (or bilberry, depending on the recipe) together to round everything out.

And if you're not comfortable or not willing to experiment, HIC from vaping underground has a comprehensive list of FA flavors and what they taste like that's a really good resource for a couple bucks (I think $10? But don't quote me on that).

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by thascarecroalmost 6 years ago

What makes a good bakery's cakes taste so much better than the cakes we make at home? It's all ingredients and recipes for the most part. Everyone has that one family member that doesnt have any special equipment but has a BOMB recipe for something. It just always comes out good. The reason a commercial juice tastes so good is because thats one of their elite recipes. But we all know for ever great commercial juice there are 10 other trash ones that taste like doodoo.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

Very true

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by tehgreyghostalmost 6 years ago

Like others have said a single flavor test is made to help you figure out where it will sit within a complete juice. Raspberry by itself brings the perfume of raspberry and the hint of tart but that's it. You need other layers to make it pop. Something to bring the sweet, something for the juiciness, something to mellow out and cut through it etc. Most commercial vapes will have a ton of layers and sweetness to make it tasty. But you should check out the DIY sites, sort by top and look at their percentages and research what the flavors bring.

Like my favorite juice I mix right now is:

Papaya (TFA) 2% [Funk, INW Cactus could work as well]
Pomegranate (TFA) 1.50% [Fruity Sweetness]
Sweet Cream (CAP) 1.50% [Creamy Sweetness]
Sweet Tangerine (CAP) 2% [Citrus]
Cranberry (Flavorah) 1% [Tartness]

These all together give me a complex fruity vape that I can use all day. I like it and it doesn't destroy my coils. I dont like adding sweetness outside of what my extracts add. A good fruit sweetness is Dragonfruit. It's got a subtle flavor and lot's of sweet without being overbearing.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

This sounds like a recipe i would love. Thank you very much!

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by kuri_sanToualmost 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

I love TFA Papaya

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by tehgreyghostalmost 6 years ago

Yeah it's nice and funky without being overwhelming

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

First. What recipes have you tried?

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

Blue raspberry bubblegum and just raspberry by itself at like 9% with 1% sweetener (sucralose and EM)

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by UnappreciatedRobotalmost 6 years agoI have no idea what I'm doing

If that’s INW Raspberry at 9%, that is wayyyyyyyyyyy too much.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

TFA raspberry sweet

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Those aren't recipes. If you want help, please give us details.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

I did

1.25 (FW) Hard Candy 1 (TPA) Marshmallow 1 (TPA) Raspberry (sweet) 4 (WF) Sour Blue Raspberry Candy 1.5 (TPA) Sweetener

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by TimInElmiraalmost 6 years ago

I think part of it is what sweetener or enhancer you use. CAP Super Sweet is basically sucralose and it will sweeten your whole recipe, but also possibly mute it.

I've been experimenting with CAP Marshmallow with fruits and TFA Marshmallow in bakeries. Wayne Walker did a video on enhancers that helped me on this path.

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by ocolin381almost 6 years ago

I’m in the same boat as you man. My favorite commercial ejuice is emojis blue razz. Been trying to get it but so far nothing I e made has been good. A lot of bland shit and then shit that just doesn’t taste like a candy anything and just natural berry flavor. Which was ok but def not the blue razz I’m going for. Using websites like all the flavors and e liquid recipes.com have def helped though.

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

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by IWillKarateKickYoualmost 6 years ago

There were some commercial recipes released at one point that had like 10 percent sucralose sweetener in them..Prob just a mix of sweeteners or acids or additives that prob arent good for us to be smoking but who knows

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by falls_asleep_readingalmost 6 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

This is exactly why--additives like sucralose, acetyl pyrazine, bitter wizard, sour (mostly the sweeteners, though)

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by DIYdoofusalmost 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

AP serves a very distinct purpose. Which brings to mind a very simple,old recipe that tastes great. 10% RY4 Double (TFA) with 1% AP. Mix in small quantities and vape till gone, then repeat. RY4 Double fades quickly and loses it's magic. It is a shake and vape, but not a steep and vape.

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by Morgan_Druryalmost 6 years agoCoil Sauce Sommelier

Some of them have half of flavoring percentage as sweetener

my generalization is based solely off the commercial recipes Habu Vapor had made public

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by Hiwyndalmost 6 years ago

Sucralose.

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by Civinskoalmost 6 years ago

Use less flavors, probably half your % based on the "perfume flavor".

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by kur0nekosamaalmost 6 years agoMentholatier

Acids also make certain flavours pop but they're ruthless coil killers. I used to add TFA Sour in some of my fruity recipes, which definitely made them pop, but they gunked the coils really fast, and over 1% it took under a day for the coils to grow a sticky disgusting layer of burnt juice.

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by Diggerinthedarkalmost 6 years agoWTF is a "Terpene?"

Sweeteners and additives used correctly. Plus adding 'unexpected' flavours into a mix to make it pop, which is pretty much down to years of experience.

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by bradenmikaelalmost 6 years ago

Man I miss cowboy cobbler. Was the best juice I ever had.

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by PapaMurph83almost 6 years ago

So I'm new to mixing and I followed a recipe I liked on e-liquid recipes to the letter. Been vaping it for months and I've never been blown away by the flavor. I'm putting in 17% flavor, but it all feels muted.

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by MarchtoRuinalmost 6 years ago

You've been vaping it for months is probably the problem. You can't taste it anymore. You've got vape tongue. Switch flavors?

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by PapaMurph83almost 6 years ago

I know sticking with the same flavor makes it worse, but even when I started with this flavor it felt muted. The bottle smelled great, but it didn't transfer to taste

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