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Flavor bans and DIY
submitted almost 6 years ago by Gmaup

So it looking more and more likely that not just States are shutting down flavors but the federal government. How will this effect the DIY community?

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

They can't ban flavors. They can't ban PG. They can't ban VG. They are going to tax nic out the ass. The bill was moved into the Senate earlier this week.

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by sadistic_tendenciesalmost 6 years ago

>The bill was moved into the Senate earlier this week

This is incorrect. It was only voted to move forward in the house. Still has to pass the full house, then the Senate, then be signed by the President. It's definitely something to keep a close eye on but who knows what will eventually become of it. In light of everything currently happening and another impending budgetary gridlock I can't see this being a priority at the moment. Also, if it makes it far enough before election day I can't see either party doing anything to piss off a large chunk of voters so there still may be time to bring in some common sense. I don't put a lot of faith in that but it ain't a done deal yet.

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by checkmak01almost 6 years ago

Yes, it's absolutely not a done deal yet, and I agree with all your points.

The bill has been introduced to the Senate already though. It is, most likely, in the Finance Committee's hands, where it'd be probably rewritten and presented to the full Senate.

Hopefully, around 2090, they will have a final bill that will be sent to Chelsea Clinton's great-grandchild who will veto it

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by sadistic_tendenciesalmost 6 years ago

That's a similar but different bill than the one posted about earlier this week that was voted on to move forward. It's only in the introductory stages in the respective committee.

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

I wonder by then if there will be a Clinton who is "deplorable"?

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by MumblyMarkalmost 6 years ago

It appears that 45 is going to skip the whole process and save everyone the trouble. https://www.axios.com/trump-ban-flavored-vaping-products-4830652d-af8d-4c84-81b0-2174e9ad3344.html

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

Where were all the drug dealers when you need them while these kids were trying to get high off of nicotine?

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by kuri_sanToualmost 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

Nic will be the most affected. I have had good luck with nic riv but for over a year now I have been waiting to buy from liquid barn, not the Chemnovatic stuff but their sallt.

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by checkmak01almost 6 years ago

Let's suppose the worst-case scenario happens and they taxed the living hell out of the nic. Would it be any other place to get it than the usual places?

I can't come up with any good answers for that

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

China

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by August2_8x2almost 6 years ago

And back to no good answers /s :-/

Edit:my bad, forgot the /s

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by checkmak01almost 6 years ago

I thought about China, but not as plain nic. We could get high % nic e-juices and experiment with it, but it'll defeat the whole DIY goal.

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by juthincalmost 6 years agoI improved Grack and all I got was this lousy flair

Well, you'd be limited to lower concentrations, but just look north. (I'd suggest getting friends on border states who can get nic shipped to their cottage, pick it up and drive across the border with it.)

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by Segontia18almost 6 years ago

Why do you think that they cannot ban flavors? Of course flavors are used mainly in food but companies like Flavorah focus' exclusively on vaping. Some flavor companies had to shut down already. One in Michigan was forced to do so. I think it wouldn't be a problem to ban flavors for the e-liquid market, may it be companies or individuals. It's the same as with online sales bans. Most vapers thought that this was impossible but why should it be? If the fines for the companies are high enough they would refuse to accept orders. That's what happened in my country and it works.

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

If you are referring to Real Flavors, they closed of their own volition. Flavorah had already said they will be fine. Brands like Flavorah and Liquid Barn are in the minority for vape specific brands

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by SacraficeMyGoatalmost 6 years ago

Considering stocking up on Nic even though I haven't started DIY yet. This is ridiculous.

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by doctor_yapalmost 6 years ago

You may want to just pull the trigger now. You’ll have peace of mind knowing you already have your nic chillen in the freezer.

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Removed. No links to nicotine.

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by Brother_Bob1almost 6 years ago

DIY wise, my guess worst scenario, is a complete ban on internet nic sales. How will it effect DIY? Suspect it's going to be extremely hard to find quality nic that can be imported/sold to/in this country.

Looks like the ANTZ = Anti Nicotine and Tobacco Zealots are going after pre made (non moving easier target) e-liquid first.

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

They're gonna tax it into oblivion

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by [deleted]almost 6 years ago

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by EdibleMalfunctionalmost 6 years agoI found my thrill on Blueberry Hill

Removed. No links to nicotine.

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by TheGreatKingCyrusalmost 6 years ago

If anything they will try to crack down on the nicotine base, I ordered a bunch of premixed 80/20 .3mg on liquid nicotine wholesalers.com, got a gallon for $70 👍 always better to be safe than sorry. But my best guess is they might ban flavored juice and you will always be able to fine tobacco or unflavored vape juice and the industry will move to "oneshot" flavors.

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by Segontia18almost 6 years ago

True, I agree (didn't know about RF). However the vape shops can't survive with the sale of tobacco and menthol. Dr. Farsalinos' flavor study showed that only 7.7% of the vapers use tobacco flavors. 92.3% don't. With menthol it's similar, only 12.8% are vaping on it and 87.2% don't.

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