I mean it's so cheap I'd feel stupid not to, but I really dread making juice when my bottle gets low. I've been DIYing for a few years now and at this point I kind of just dump an amount of a few flavors that looks right on a scale and vape that. I don't track the flavors I make anymore. It's just doing too much. Anyone feel simular?
Not only do I still enjoy it, it's one of the few things that make me feel less dead inside.
On top of that you are a true pioneer along with providing your time & own money for the DIY community so much that out of all the people in the entire world you are right up there.
On top of it you literally saved or extended some people's lives, which if you don't want to look at it that way you increased their quality of life. That's important especially when people get old and life goes downhill and maybe they can enjoy their Grandkids and visa versa instead of being fucked up from smoking for 50 years.
I just hope the day doesn't come when a company finally makes a great Mango because then it's peace out for you as the never ending quest finally came to an end :-)
Thank you. You’re too kind and I now some of this is hyperbolic but it’s very welcome today (rough morning).
Also no peace out, never. Even if there’s a perfect mango I’d still have to try to turn it into all the perfect mango things.
Despite what ppl think, and of course I've been referenced a few times on noted :-) None of it was except for the Mango, and you're so modest if vaping was done tomorrow you'd be in the top 5 with Wayne & Botboy. I actually read the thread after I wrote this all about you which some I didn't know.
As far as the life stuff, there are obviously people who took up vaping commercial juice, especially "premium" ones, which after vaping from Mt Baker for years and totally content with their extreme ice (FW) I tried Seduce Juice's White Walker and it ruined for me forever because there was no way I could go back.
So no, you're just being modest because besides the people who turned to DIY because of price as they had no choice and cigs could even be cheaper which we've heard that story a million times DIY is magnified 40 fold.
I know I'm guilty like others and quit for maybe 4 months because I went into DIY over 3 years ago and bought way too much shit because I was going to make so much of the epic clones on that French Site and all the "high" reviewed mixes on ELR, with making my own of course. I threw away every single of one of 20? mixes as all were trash along with throwing tons of flavors together to make a great mix because in my head it was a home run. I still don't know what the hell I'm going to do with my 30ml of Kiwi Double for example with so many 3+ year old flavors that I didn't even put a dent in, until I started mailing it out to people for free but a lot I can't even give away for free.
Look at the influx of new people here or better yet we have a massive statistical database in something called ELR that shows just how far in really the last 4 years I'd say besides the OG people only 5% or less people actually really get it and due to the age we live in with instant information and gratification, basically people who didn't know what life was before the internet doesn't know the art of research and hard work, which means taking notes and single flavor testing, and god forbid more than one iteration before you release your mix to the public for others to continue the cesspool of DIY that will only get worse. That's where you come in with this sub, reddit, your own mixes, and IMO Mixlife and Noted are heads and above any other vaping channel ever created or developed. Due to all of what you provided to the community of helping out mixers, what flavors are the best, and proper mixing knowledge there has to be over 10,000 people around the world easy that would have given up on DIY and back to smokes if this sub, reddit, noted, and ATF wasn't around. So in maybe 4 more years we will laugh at how we mixed now and the new breed will be thousands of Kopels running around throwing Violet into Mango which they think is basic like Slasha_Lo's mixes.
So yes you have saved lives maybe in the form of Cancer to at least quality of life of quitting smoking and turning into DIY vaping, but not quitting like so many people have, due to getting frustrated mixing shitty juices. I think somebody broke it down recently that you save 92% or something from DIY.
---- I should have put this in the ID-10 is "fill in the blank" thread but didn't want to seem hyperbolic. I remember seeing you on yotube before Noted on Mixlife for example and how nervous on cam you were it was almost painful and today have all the confidence in the world, as the DIY community is accepting and loving for the most part, and only you could get away with the amount of tremendous snark and let's just say mood instead of bitchy (not in a malicious way though) which totally isn't a gimmick, but people laugh and say that's just Dave in a loving way.
Rant over and I'll take my standard many month break from posting on this sub due to rants like these but I wanted to chime in on how, like funny I made a fresh03 is a pioneer thread, unlike him you have wildly different personalities to say the least, I don't think you let yourself be truly proud or understand what service you've given to the community and don't know what pushes/drives you but it's there and I'm sure it's not monetary as you didn't learn the art of promoting your one shots like Ckemist, and will flat out refuse to promote, but also keeping it real by not getting a big head or stroking your ego, if so would feel the need to play a lawyer on youtube and like 95% of DIY & the Reviewers just spouting off words playing Mr. Advocate even though 99% never read 1 page of any bill or watched any hearings but are experts in arbitration law & in their spare time besides not making good fruit mixes because unlike desserts they are a million times harder they fight crime on the street.
---- I read the recipe you released with part of Kopel's oneshot that got released. You are right about passion fruits aka throat razors as .25% will wreck me but get Yelow Passion from Vape Train. Passion Fruit could/should be the mother of all fruit because it can unlock an unlimited different of mixes besides tropical naturally.
A rift on your famous tropical: VT Shisha/FLV Mango (mandatory) - VT Yellow Passion - CAP Golden Pineapple as a base. Then you can work it however you want, for example TPA Coconut Candy - OOO Milky and or 50/50 Milk & FLV Cream - German Flavors Vanilla Pudding (sub FLV) - OOO Vanilla Marshmallow.
Got burnt out on it, just make unflavored now.
This seems interesting. Does it just taste like nothing at all?
Has a sweet taste to it, nothing chemical tasting. I think half the juice I vape is unflavored, the rest is a menthol/fruit. I just got tired of flavoring all the time.
As previous guy said, it is interesting, I get burnt out on not only making flavors, I also get burnt out on tasting them too, but I've never vaped unflavored I may have to try it out, sometimes the flavors are too strong, but tastes terrible if you don't add enough anyway
Kinda sweet. You get used to it. And it's easy to make. Have ratios in my head. I use a 120 mil bottle, add nic, add pg, top off with vg. Shake and go. No steeping, easy peasy.
Yeah, I love DIY almost only because it's so damn cheap. But at this point, it's just more work I have to do. Settled on a 2 flavor recipe (very low concentration) that I've been making for a couple years now, and make about a half liter at a time so I don't have to do it again for a while. Have definitely said "fuck it" and gone unflavored at times.
Same, and now I prefer unflavored. It's been my ADV for a year now. Only thing i add is WS-23
I'm new and have no idea what WS-23 is, but I'm guessing^(/hoping) it's not related to WD-40
100% yes. The premixed flavor concentrates you can get now helped with this a lot though. 11mg PG, 11mg VG, 3mg nic, 5mg flavor concentrate. No more messing with weighing out 7 different individual flavors.
Who sells these concentrates?
The vendors list has a check next to all the vendors who sell oneshots and a section for the vendors who sell a larger variety of them.
One shots u mean? Love those: Diyordie One shots
U realize u can just mix ur own one shots so u just add 1 pre mixed concentrate with nic, pg, vg and ur done!
that's the only thing i do now, i usually keep 100ml or so of flavor base of my favorite recipe and it will last me 4-5months before fiddling with 10+ flavorings each time. this way i also save a lot of time by not steeping longer than usual. i still have like 50 bottles of 10ml from years ago that i don't know what to do with them.
Yeah it’s just not worth the trouble to me at all. I’d rather pay a bit more for a mixed flavor that’s tried and true than experiment and mix a bunch of one shots
At first I tried to follow some recipes which isn’t that hard.
Soon I remembered: every person has it’s own taste.
Now I just do what you say: “1% of this, 4% of that, 0.25% of this one for a kick in the tongue and there ya go! Another bottle of unicorn sour sweat done ✅”
I thought this was just me. I dread making another juice although it only takes 10/15mins but the thing with me is that I get bored of vaping the same juices and I'm always on the search for something I love.
I'll throw some juices together and it's meh or just okay. But my friends try it ans they love it. "What flavor is it?" "Um no idea, just threw a bit of this and that."
Maybe I'm just bored of the flavours now?
I stress it sometimes because I love bakery profiles and they almost always require a steep and of course I forget to have my "mixing day" before I actually run out. So nothing really ever gets the steep time it needs unless I hide a bottle of it somewhere lol.
Haha I'm totally lazy with steeping. I don't taste a noticeable difference when I've tried it.
Just shake and vape and it'll naturally step the next few days.
Am I doing it wrong, should I give steeping another go?
I think it really depends on what profile you go with. From what I understand, fruits and some creams are shake and vape, and some custards and bakeries take a while to develop, some flavors are just harsh as hell without a steep, lol. Most tobacco flavors take a long time. Lots of variables. I would say if you are experiencing harshness I would start steeping but if you're liking the way it is just go with it haha.
I've personally never really enjoyed mixing and I wait until I'm literally out of everything before mixing again. I didn't really choose this part of the hobby, it was kinda forced upon me.
I only ever found a handul of vapable juices for me after buying well over 100 different commercial flavors. So that was 1 reason for me to DIY. It took me 30+ attempts at "cloning" pinky from mitten for me to get a vapible version I vape now.
Second reason I started a year or so ago was I knew all the bullshit we are seeing now was essentially inevitable and I'd be DIYing at some point if I wanted to continue to vape.
Last reason I DIY is I'm a cheap bastard and DIY makes vaping damn near free, hard to pass that up.
Nope. After about 3 weeks of mixing I created my favorite juice I've ever had, it only has 3 flavors. In it and I can mix up a weeks worth of juice in about 2-3 min, including cleanup. I can and do vape this stuff all day, and haven't Vaped anything else since. Takes me less time than ordering online or driving to the store and is a fraction of the cost.
Sounds like a recipe worth sharing
Haha sure! Not sure it will work for everyone because I only like super minty recipes and have never really enjoyed using anything besides mints. Be here you go!
I call it ConSpearmint Theory (it was the first mint pun I could think of)
4% FA spearmint 3.5% FW extreme ice .3% ws23
It's super minty without being mentholy. Just a hint of sweetness.
I got tired of making actual recipes every time I needed to refill, so a while back I switched over to making one shots instead. 120ml of pure flavoring and just dump in some of that, PG, VG and nic.
I put the amount needed of each one right on the label of the one-shot bottles so I don't even need to reference the recipe.
Mixes take all of 5 minutes now, probably less.
I make 480ml at a time. I normally make another 480 when im down to 240ml.
That never happens its normally 120ml when i finally get around to it.
I make flavored just because im still happy to vape.
Guess I’m weird because I still enjoy mixing. Sometimes I do get bored with my own recipes and will mix someone else’s. I’ve got over 600 flavors now and have decided I’m not buying any new ones unless it’s something I absolutely need. Trying to keep up with all of the new stuff gets expensive...
Agreed, it always feels like a hassle and I’ve been at it for a long time. Sometimes I’ll go a whole year vaping the same simple flavors.
Luckily I’m a cheesecake vape fanatic so it’s really easy to come up with something delightful using a (cap) cheesecake 10-15% base and adding any fruit or savory flavor as an accent.
Is there a particular base that you like? Curious what your percents might be.
We might have different definitions of base. For me the cheesecake is the base and I don’t fortify it with anything extra because I like simplicity in my recipes.
Capella cheesecake 10-15%, on the low side if I want a few fruits, high if I want a single fruit or savory as the secondary flavor (anywhere from 3-6% depending on the flavor.)
Other bases I like are:
(TFA) cheesecake graham crust 8%, (INW) cheesecake 3%
Or:
(INW) custard 3%, (FA) Zeppola 3%, (CAP) cheesecake 6%
So simple and you can make so many great donut flavors that are really on point.
My very first flavor order had Purilum NY Cheesecake because I love cheesecake flavors and it had tons of really good reviews on the site I bought from. But I've struggled with making it work, and I probably bought too much of it lol. Should've done more research initially into actual recipes first (and I would've realized there aren't that many popular recipes that use it at all). Just finally bought some TFA Cheesecake Graham Crust and a few other related items with hopes that I could make them work together. Any suggestions/experience with PUR?
Been mixing for myself for yrs now...and it's time consuming and a pia sometimes...I just mixed up a one shot .. Just add it to nic base and go...first one shot I ever made...one shots take a lot of flavors..I mean the amount..but it's my all day vape and will get a lot of bottles of finished juice... So maybe I'll buy big bottles and do one shots of different flavors...
Been doing DIY for six years. I have between 8-12 mixes that I rotate through. Grack (sometimes subbing 2% tfa gummy and 1% tfa marshmallow for the grape), Channer Bear, Gentleman’s Custard (sometimes with .15% FLV rich cinnamon), Wayne’s Bluenuts, my take on Thug (8% tfa watermelon candy, 5% tfa grape candy, 1% inw cactus and whatever touch of mint), Botboy’s Apple Pie, Cereal Killa, and some simpler things.
For some of the more involved recipes I’ll mix up 100-120 mls of flavor base to save time.
Usually I’ll mix 1-1.5 liters of juice at a time per month, depending on how much I have left in my vape case (a toolbox with 12 120 ml bottles of mixed juice and 4 250 ml bottles of steeping juice). Takes about an hour per month. Even with five kids I can usually find that time.
I usually procrastinate until the last possible moment (like the night before the day I'm going to run out), but I don't mind doing it. Takes me a little over an hour to mix 360mL (120 of 3 flavors) plus some kind of S&V I can vape on while the rest is aging.
If you have a go-to just mix up a base of that.
If your flavor is 2% X, 2.5% Y, 1% Z then your base is 2/5.5 =36.4 % X, 2.5/5.5 = 45.5% Y, and 1/5.5 = 18.1% Z. So in a 120ml base that's ~43.7ml X, ~54.6ml Y, ~21.7ml Z.
Add in 5.5% of the bottle size in flavor + nic/vg/pg. Should take about 60 seconds with a scale.
I have felt like that from time to time however I have found that sharing knowledge and juices with other people helps to keep things fresh and new. It is always satisfing helping someone make a flavor for the first time that they really enjoy.I love mixing and making new flavors or pushing what you can do with them or what you can create. It also has led me into similar hobbies that use the same components. *I.e medical marijuana, a vaporless e-liquid, etc*. I also try to always be adding new methods,additives, gadgets and gizmos(not the mogwai unfortunetly) it really helps keep things interesting and helps to have it feel like the same thing you have done 9 dozen times. I hope this helps or gives you some encouragement. Happy Vaping :D
Yup. I'm totally burnt out on mixing too. I can never get motivated to actually mix until I'm totally out of juice and have been for a day or so. Then I have to chose between going to the store and buying something or mixing something up. My laziness tends to win so rather than put on pants to go to town I sit at my desk and mix a few bottles up, usually with very little enthusiasm or care for my ratios/recipes.
It's a shame because I really used to enjoy trying to find and create new flavour profiles that I hadn't tried before. But now it's just too much like work and I'm kinda over it. I sense a switch to unflavorued coming in my future.
I like trying new things. My mixing routine doesn't really take that long. I get sick of labeling every bottle though (tape & marker). But I still like trying new flavor concentrates and blending them or trying recipes.
If your a lazy bum just make one shot extracts.
You need to take one day to make one shot extracts so whenever you wanna mix it's fast.
Click the blue wrench on a recipe on e-liquid-recipes. Click Make one shot extract.
Next time instead of needing to grab 4 bottles for a recipe youll have the whole recipe in one bottle instead and youll only have to do a simple estimation like 10%.
If money isn't an issue and you've become complacent then just buy ejuice. It really doesn't matter if you buy juice if you can afford your habit.
Some simple one shot flavors.
CAP Harvest berry
CAP Sweet mango
FW Cookies n Cream
TFA Citrus Punch
I kind of dread mixing bc I mix 4 different recipes each at 4,000ml. I deal with chronic pain so I usually have to sit down while mixing which helps some. 2 months ago I did invest in a very large beaker and a graduated cylinder. These have made measuring easier as before I was using 10ml syringes and a 200ml glass measuring cup for all measurements, now that was a slow process
I often do the same, when I don't feel like pulling out my recipes, measuring devices, etc., and just want to mix some stuff up, which usually turns out to be pretty decent. Downside is that if I want to duplicate a really good one, I'll never remember the ratios, since I only ration the Nic/VG/PG, and just "throw flavors in." Sometimes mediocre, sometimes good, sometimes great, and I can always tweak them.
After a while, you get the feel for what will mix/taste good, at least for you, so, right on, man, mix away!
I've just never been able to get them nearly as good as the stuff on store shelves. Now that the market is saturared, really good flavors are not stupidly expensive anymore, so I just go with those now.
Well, there is still Oishi Jusu, which is the most delicious stuff I've ever tried, but its always been damn near $1/mL....