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Some of my rookie mistakes as a I get the hang of this.
submitted almost 6 years ago by standardtissue

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I bought smaller bottles to make handling my VG, PG and Nic easier, except I didn't.

When I placed my first order it was suggested I get some smaller bottles to make handling my PG, VG and Nic from ... easier to handle smaller bottles then big bottles. Makes sense, so I ordered some bottles. The TOTALLY WRONG SIZE lol they're just about the same size as what my liquids came in. I don't even know what I'm going to do with these.

I washed out some unicorn bottles and use those. I just use a 5 ml bottle for nic because so little is required. This setup is working really well.

I poured VG exclusively from the unicorn dripper.

Because VG pours so slowly, and so much of it is required, pouring it exclusively from a unicorn dripper gets really old. Now I pour form the main bottle first, and then when I'm within say 1.5 grams of my weight I'll start topping it off with the unicorn dripper.

I mixed into a unicorn dripper bottle, but switched to a glass dropper bottle.

I like to reuse things so when I went to mix my first batch I selected a unicorn dripper bottle that I had previously washed and saved for reuse. . Popping the top on and off each time quickly got tedious, and washing plastic is a bit more difficult than glass, so I switched to a glass dropper bottle instead. I'm happier with that.

Some people will buy a large pack of small bottles to mix into instead, and you can usually get these without the dripper tops placed on them yet which makes mixing just as easy. I just don't like the idea of constantly replacing bottles. That's just me.

I bought a scale that's good to .01 grams, and can be calibrated ... except I can't calibrate it.

I had learned that I can test it's calibration with a dollar bill (1.00 g) or a nickel (5 g) and tested it. Great ... problem is, when I put it in calibration mode it only wants to be calibrated to 500g. It didn't come with a calibration weight. So despite having a scale that can be calibrated I can't actually calibrate it. Lesson: buy a scale that comes with a calibration weight.

I botched a batch because my scale doesn't read .01 - .04 grams.

I learned the hard way that my scale can only read .01 grams after there's about .05 grams on there already. I was adding flavoring and just kept on going, kept on going, and added a LOT more than I needed because of this. Didn't hurt the recipe, just gave more emphasis on a certain flavor but was still delish. It was a good learning point however.

Now I don't automatically hit tare: I look back to my calculator and if it's a small amount I just do the math and add that to my existing weight, and then add my flavor. So for instance, if I just added VG and my current weight is like 8.4 grams, and now I need to add .03 grams of a flavor, I do NOT hit tare, but I add flavor until my total weight becomes 8.43g.

I would overshoot my weight by not pausing for the scale to catch up.

My scale takes about a half to a full second to register the weight. I've now learned to really slow it down as I approach my target weight and go drop by drop, waiting for it to register in between drops.

I learned that even though my scale reads .01, my bottles won't drop .01 of anything, but it's Ok.

Because I mix 10cc tasters, some of the amounts I deal in are literally a few hundredths of a gram. Some fluids just don't weigh .01 g per drop with my drippers, so my recipes will never be dead on.

I've now learned to stop adding NIC just below my target weight. For flavoring I've learned to accept this as "within limits" for what I'm doing, and realize that at larger mixes it will be more precise. It means my mixes may have more emphasis on certain flavors than others, that's fine, I don't mind the happy surprises. Once I have my recipes nailed down and start making bigger batches for bottling, I don't see this as being an issue as I probably won't need .01 of any single ingredient.

I didn't buy sweetener.

Commercial juices put a TON of sweetener in their juice. I had no idea until I made my own batches but holy shit they add a TON of it. If you're new to DIY and just mixed up a batch, you probably already know what I mean. The sweetness is one of my biggest complaints about commercial juice, but it's really hard to go from commercial levels of sweetness to nothing but the inherent sweetness in the VG and some of the flavors.

Sweetener is bit more complex than "just buy some sweetener and add it". There's different types of sweeteners and each one has a different effect on different recipes. Many recipes don't include sweetener, which makes it even more of a challenge.

I wish I had known how big a difference there could be in sweetness, and had researched sweeteners are part of my first order and had a small amount on hand. I definitely don't want commercial levels of sweetness, but would like to add some as a middle ground to ween myself down from.

EDIT: I stood over my scale.

These scales are SUPER sensitive. A dollar bill weights a SINGLE GRAM, and these scales read to ONE HUNDREDTH of that. When I first got my scale I weight a dollar bill to test it ... and it didn't weight a gram. It weight more than a gram and further - the weight kept changing ! I was afraid my scale was a dud, so I sat down and read the manual to calibrated it ... and that's when I noticed it then showed the bill as exactly 1 gram. The difference this time ? I was seated. So I experimented and yes, in all seriousness, when I was leaning over the scale the exhaust from my nostrils was enough to change the reading. I'm talking naturally aspirated nostril exhaust, not even wide open throttle. So now I remind myself to sit back a bit from the scale and not put my face directly over it.

When weighing, be sure not to have a ceiling fan blowing, open window, window AC running, etc ... you scale may pick this up. My scale sits right next to a window AC and there's a ceiling with blades that stop just 6 inches from where I mix ... I just make sure this is all off and I'm not leaning over the scale.

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by Jasona1121almost 6 years ago

Saved!! I'll be getting into diy here in a week or so.. for obvious reasons... I've looked into it and doing liquids by % looks like having a 4th grade education and trying to explain the theory of relativity in minute detail. And doing it by weight seems like playing chess, i can do it but I'm no Bobby Fischer. At least i think i can do it....

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by Apexifiedalmost 6 years agoDelightfully Mediocre

It's so much easier than you currently think.

A simple example. Here is a recipe. You click the blue wrench and fill in the information about your nic and your target ratios. And then it outputs the weight (or ml) of the ingredients.

  • Add ingredient 1
  • Tare
  • Ingredient 2
  • Tare
  • etc.
  • et cetera...

Cap it, shake it, put it away or vape it.

Done :)

Check out the FAQ stickied to the top of the subreddit for more in depth explanations and guides.

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by Jasona1121almost 6 years ago

Very cool thank you for that.

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by Focusmagnetalmost 6 years ago

There are e juice calculators online that make the process super simple. I use the one at steam-engine.org > I was intimidated at first, but mixing by weight isn't hard. It just takes a little bit of time.

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by Spartan_133almost 6 years ago

Start your single flavor testing right at the start. There's great instructions on how to single flavor test in the wiki. Also, read all the crap on the wiki and look through the FAQ Friday posts. Order first flavors from the wiki post of first order flavors. Pick a few recipes from the handy list they have on that post and order the flavors for them. Enjoy the recipes and find what you like and also test the individual flavors as you get them.

I waited to single flavor test and kept ordering new flavors because I was prepping myself for where I am now, when I'd be ready to make my own recipes. I wanted to make sure I had the idea of what I'm doing when I started my flavor testing. I've stopped myself from ordering anymore flavors which means no new recipes to try, so I'm stuck here 7 months deep with roughly 100 flavors and then only single flavor test I've done is CAP Cucumber. Oof.

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by Jasona1121almost 6 years ago

Ok, wow. I was just thinking about the kit as it has 15 15mL flavors with it and all the other stuff to get going. I didn't think I'd need ejuice or flavors for at least 5 or 6 months cus of how much they give you in those kits....

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by Spartan_133almost 6 years ago

I actually went with a kit too. I picked 15 flavors from the recommended list and ordered the kit. I just meant dont wait to start testing each flavor like I did.

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by D3viantM1ndalmost 6 years ago

I mixed my juice with different sized glass syringes for years. My scale has pretty much all of these problems. However, in comparison to syringe by volume, mixing is a pleasure now.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

last year i bought a basic kit and tried mixing by volume, not weight. much happier now to be mixing by weight. i think it's way, way easier.

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by Kiviskusalmost 6 years ago

This is a really good idea and I hope it helps some new mixers avoid some mistakes. If I measure anything under .1 gram I'll add a 1 gram weight and then add flavorings so it'll be accurate. Either that or if im lazy I'll add one of the other flavors that's a whole number and then just not tare the scale when I add the other flavoring. Either way this helps get around that issue.

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by doom-cookiealmost 6 years agoProud Sidebar Reader!

I recently bought some ketchup/mustard containers (those yellow and red ones) for easier pouring of my VG and PG. I've been DIYing for years (definitely not a pro yet, mostly just follow recipes I've found), wish I got those ketchup and mustard bottles a long time ago!

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by Foxer604almost 6 years ago

LOL - I did virtually all of those things except the scale when i started out :) Really great feedback for newbies.

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by KingpinOfTheSlumalmost 6 years ago

My scale is the same way. It won't registar anything till you get about .05 of something on it, then it will read .01 at a time. I also do the same thing now, I reuse my old unicorn bottles. I pour directly from my big VG bottle till i get close to the target weight, then I have some VG in a unicorn bottle so that I can drop drop drop till I hit the target weight. Same as you I have over shot the flavors a few times and it really didn't make a difference to me in the end. Yea, making little 10ml bottles get down to the drop but bigger bottles not so much. I had a shitload of old unicorn bottles I had saved and washed out and reuse. Just pop the top off, fill, put the top back on and good to go.

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by Focusmagnetalmost 6 years ago

Oh man, I'm getting flashbacks reading this. When you start making larger batches, I recommend you search for "applicator bottles" and grab a couple for managing larger than 1oz quantities of PG and VG. > I grabbed a couple of the 8oz with twist top, and my life got better. You can open up all the way to get most of the way there, then gently add the last little bit you need. > Kudos for posting, I'm sure more people will get into DIY with everything going on right now

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by HarryWizalmost 6 years ago

My goal since June (when I first got into vaping CBD e-juice using a Kanger evod) was to have a mod by summer and in July I got a Vaporesso Luxe S. Then by the fall I wanted a RDA, and/or RTA. Last week I got a Profile Mesh RDA. My final goal by year end was to start making my own CBD e-juice and e-juice. Well with all the bad press about vaping I went ahead last week and ordered some supplies and CBD isolate to start making CBD e-juice.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

yeah, that's exactly what I did, with the adjustable flow twist caps and everything ... except I bought them like 90% the same size as the bottles my dilutants shipped in lol. I'll probably put them to use in the shed or garage and buy new smaller ones.

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by Mechnastyalmost 6 years ago

It wouldn't hurt to level your scale surface. I've been meaning to do that.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

I do that by using one of the plastic lids the scale came in. Well, it's not level, it's flat and firm at least, as opposed to the wood work surface underneath it.

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by Mechnastyalmost 6 years ago

I'm gonna make a little platform with adjustable legs for my scale to sit on and level it one of these days.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

that sounds like a lot of work frankly. is it worth it ?

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by pikenoquadraalmost 6 years ago

Rookie here. Can anyone recommend a specific scale I should purchase that measures to .001?

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

Well, the recommended "gold standard" is the LB 501. I bought one that's half the price, and it's working good enough for me, with the caveats that I listed above.

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by pikenoquadraalmost 6 years ago

Thank you!

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by gestapovalmost 6 years ago

Can you tell me what model did you buy?

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

Sure, I bought this one: but I would consider it a mistake.

For a dollar more this one appears to be identical, but with a calibration weight included. Is that 100g calibration weight really going to be perfectly 100g ? Probably not. You're not getting like nist-traceable calibration at those prices; it may not really be any better than just stacking some nickels, but it's there.

If you search "gram scale" you'll find that exact scale available for as low as 9 or 10 dollars. It's an unbranded factory product for sure. So basically I could have paid a dollar extra and gotten a weight, or saved a couple more bucks or the same thing it appears.

It is working just fine, however, subject to the nuances I listed in my post.

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by ConcreteTabletalmost 6 years ago

Great tips thank you so much!!

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by slavetothescreenalmost 6 years ago

Great post for me, being someone in the process of buying my first bits to try out diy.
I also read that scales need calibration as a given, because the ambient temperature, sea level etc of where you live will almost certainly be different enough to where it was made that it would be affected. Another reason to be careful of air-con/fans etc, aside from the draft, but the temperature effects.

I also noticed you can buy calibration weight sets for pretty cheap if you found yourself in that situation with a scale that didn't come with any.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

yea, pretty cheap but it still burns me as my same scale is available with a weight for a dollar more ... now I'm gonna have to dish out another 8 bucks, almost the price of the scale. Maybe I'll just use nickels to calibrate - I figured out how to tell it to calibrate off 10 grams instead of 500.

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by CrimzonShardzalmost 6 years ago

What sweetener do they use usually?

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

There's a couple out there, including sucralose but I'm still confused by it all. There's a lot of "don't use sweetener, just use sweet flavors" out there as well. I haven't figured it out yet tbh.

https://diyordievaping.com/2016/08/24/lets-talk-about-sweeteners-eliquid-mixing-techniques/

https://www.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/7k2hzf/diy_sweeteners/

https://thecleanvape.com/blogs/the-clean-vape/vape-juice-sweeteners-what-effect-do-sweeteners-have-on-your-e-liquid

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by BadDadBotalmost 6 years ago

Hi still confused by it all. there's a lot of "don't use sweetener, just use sweet flavors" out there as well. i haven't figured it out yet tbh.

https://diyordievaping.com/2016/08/24/lets-talk-about-sweeteners-eliquid-mixing-techniques/

https://www.reddit.com/r/diy_ejuice/comments/7k2hzf/diy_sweeteners/

https://thecleanvape.com/blogs/the-clean-vape/vape-juice-sweeteners-what-effect-do-sweeteners-have-on-your-e-liquid, I'm dad.

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by kurtcasey1almost 6 years ago

Yeah putting the last drops of a flavour in is really annoying when the scales don't register the weight, I normally just blow onto the scale so when I it recalibrates the weight its correct

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by rainman_104almost 6 years ago

Personally I only use 140ml lpde bottles for mixing. I weigh in all the base, pg, and flavours. I then put a pour cap on the top of my 1000ml bottle of vg which happens to fit perfectly into the top of the lpde bottle.

Squeeze the small bottle and it creates a vacuum that sucks in vg from the big bottle. Four or five squirts and it's full.

If I've done my pours correctly I can fill the bottle to the top and it comes very close to the target weight.

I don't care if I'm +/- a bit. Within a couple grams is fine. Usually means I don't have to fight to fill the vg if I'm filling the bottle.

Plus I really like softer bottles. They're much nicer than plastic gorilla bottles.

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by Zakraidarksorrowalmost 6 years agoFrugivore

Something I noticed with my scale is I cant have my phone anywhere near it as it really messes up with the levels, especially if you get a phone call or text or anything! Try it! You might be surprised!

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by uncle-antialmost 6 years ago

Speaking of calibration: I screwed up my scale recently, spilled/dribbled vg on it, stopped working. So I went to my Amazon app to reorder the same scale, cheap and light, just right actually.

When I got the first one I also bought a 100g weight to calibrate it, but when I checked it it needed a 200g weight. So after getting the 200g, all was well.

Anyway so the replacement scale arrives and I start to calibrate is to 200g, now here is my fuck up, once I calibrated it, I noticed that I was having to pour out much more nic & flavours than usual, hmmmmm. So everything was weighing half as much and therefore I was having to measure out twice the volume. Checked the box and this new scale wanted to be calibrated with a 100g weight. So luckily I still had the other weight handy.

But, could this have happened to anyone else? Might it explain some people getting no flavour from recipes.

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

>100g weight

oh no, you were double batching !

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by uncle-antialmost 6 years ago

I know. Doubles Nic, double flavour etc etc. Problem being, I make 100ml at a time and have no 200ml bottles or anything to handle that volume but I managed to catch my mistake at the flavour/ Nic stage.

The scale was ordered to be the same one, then obviously changed manufacturers. The calibration was the real fuckup. D’oh.

Just thought I’d let y’all know as a PSA. Cheers

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by standardtissuealmost 6 years ago

my scale came with two plastic lids - one is just large enough to fit over the actual metal weigh tray to protect it, and the other one fits over the whole thing to sandwhich it. I flipped the larger one over and use that as the base for it to sit on. the small one I flipped over and put on the tray and I put my bottle in that just in case I spill, I want that little tray to catch it instead of getting into the scale.

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by uncle-antialmost 6 years ago

That’s a good suggestion, many thanks. 👍🏼 have a good day/night.

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