In the wake of the imminent flavor ban, I am making it my mission to create the ultimate DIY Juul Mango clone. This is my HG as far as flavors go as it is not too sweet, not too tart and just lightly flavored. I have been trying to find a juice that matches it, but to no avail. After reading, using and analyzing this report for reasons the publishers would be aghast at, I know why that was so difficult - there is absolutely no mango or mango notes in this juice.
Using the graphs in the report, a ruler, Excel, and my best estimation using their shitty data layout, I have come up with the following info about what precisely is in Juul mango pods. (And created a throwaway in case this would catch the attention of Juul corporate for whatever reason. (But really, the writers of that report exposed it anyway.)
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|Flavor compound|mg/ml in unvaped juice|% of total flavor (3.66 mg/ml total flavoring)|Flavor description (per TGSC)| |:-|:-|:-|:-| |Ethyl Maltol|2.00|54.72%|Sweet, burnt cotton sugar candy like, with jammy, strawberry notes| |3-Hexen-1-ol|0.75|20.52%|Fresh, green, raw, fruity with a pungent depth| |Delta-undecalactone|0.40|10.94%|Creamy, coconut, milky, creamy, lactonic and butter fat with a waxy, fruity nuance| |Ethyl butanoate|0.25|6.84%|Fruity, sweet, tutti frutti, apple, fresh and lifting, ethereal| |Linalool|0.08|2.19%|Citrus, orange, lemon, floral, waxy, aldehydic and woody| |Benzyl alcohol|0.04|0.96%|chemical fruity cherry almond balsamic bitter| |Gamma-octalactone|0.03|0.82%|Lactonic, coconut, creamy, toasted, coumarin, fruity, apricot and peach| |Allyl hexanoate|0.02|0.55%|sweet, fresh, juicy pineapple and fruity| |Ethyl anthranilate|0.02|0.55%|sweet fruity floral minty wintergreen| |Strawberry glycidate_A|0.02|0.55%|sweet, berry, strawberry, fruity, tutti frutti and floral nuances| |Limonene|0.01|0.27%|terpenic cilantro green juniper berry| |Vanillin|0.01|0.27%|vanilla, vanillin, sweet, creamy, spicy, phenolic and milky| |Delta-dodecalactone|0.01|0.27%|Creamy, fatty, dairy, rich buttery, fruity, peach and nutty| |Ethyl hexanoate|0.01|0.27%|sweet, pineapple, fruity, waxy and banana with a green, estry nuance| |Hydroxyacetone|0.01|0.27%|sweet slightly green burnt|
So that's the chemical composition of 0.37% (3.66 mg/ml) of the juice. The rest is 3.9% nicotine/benzoic acid salt (for 3% pods), 67.011% VG and 28.719% PG.
Now, this gets complicated when I went to research flavorings on TPA - they do have ethyl maltol in a 10% suspension (their TFA Cotton Candy), which would then translate to adding 10x the amount of that flavoring in order to obtain a 2 mg/ml ethyl maltol suspension; is that correct? And I assume other flavors are suspensions of these chemicals as well, which could explain the super low flavor:juice ratio.
Also, it seems a lot of flavoring creators only list natural and artificial flavors in their ingredients and not their full chemical names. On the off chance that anyone knows the ingredients, I figured I'd post to maybe get some insight as to flavorings that contain these notes.
Hope this is helpful to someone and hope to maybe put together a great recipe out of this!
EDIT: REALLY bad calculations of totals
the flavor notes you refer to that you’re after i’m sure are to be found in the array of mango flavorings and others that are currently on the market. could it be that this analysis is correct in its identification of these chemicals and compounds, but that those are just what are found in the flavorings themselves? i doubt juul just comprised their mango pod flavor from that list, i would think they just used flavorings like we all do and that lab report is actually just showing what’s really in the mango flavoring and any other concentrate they used to make the overall profile.
Oh yeah I think that’s def what OP is asking for - where to find the raw ingredient list of what’s in the flavorings to find a match or some matches to what’s in the Juul. I’m watching this thread closely; I was thinking of doing the same thing - flavor ban aside, I want the flavor of that expensive tropical white whale.
> i doubt juul just comprised their mango pod flavor from that list
Why not? They sell millions of those pods and any cent saved is a lot of money. I bet they can save a lot by going directly to the manufacturer with a list like that instead of buying capella or whatever and mixing it.
yeah, no i don’t doubt that it would save them a ton, but millions of pod sales doesn’t happen until the recipe for the mango liquid that goes into the pods is finished. i think it would make more sense that they would at least initially create it with normal flavor concentrates. what do i know though. i just think it’s a fairly simple mango flavor that can probably be replicated pretty well with the mango flavorings available to us. the really tricky part could be getting the right device to put it in that will give a similar vape
you can check out most of the ingredients for TFA, CAP and FW flavors on their respective websites and see how they would line up
And keep in mind, that EM could be part of another flavoring - like how TFA Strawberry Ripe is loaded with it.
So this works in their device because of the restricted amount of flavor/vapor. But it would be a super high amount of EM to a low amount of “mango” or really any subtle sweet fruit because their mango doesn’t scream mango or anything. Flavorings are just chemicals at the end of the day. Cap sweet mango works. Heck golden pineapple probably would work too, it really is just going to be a ton of EM and a small hint of flavor.
I wouldn’t recommend trying to copy it 1:1 for a standard nic salt device like a caliburn. Perhaps start with 2-5% EM (idk how this is going to play, coils are gonna get hit hard) and then try 2-5% cap sweet mango. Try diff percentages and ratios, after a couple mixes you should have an idea of how these two will work together and you can fine tune the percentages.
Piggy backing on this, if you are making for a caliburn, something like 4% cap SM, 2% flv mango seems to work along with like 0.3% sweetener. ID10T is doing some more research
Good advice here. Add in WF Island Mango if you want to make things even more interesting ;)
Those three are the basis for my tbd mango recipe I made for the caliburn. I started working on caliburn recipes back in may. It's been fun figuring out the different ways that individual flavorings work for pod systems.
Based on my research, mixing, and other posts here and elsewhere, I believe a key to juuls mango (and their other flavors) has to do with the type and amount of acids along with perhaps the type of nic. I believe my LNW nic will never hit and "taste" like a real juul pod no matter what flavoring combination I put with it. I'd need the correct balance of acids/salts, and possibly a different nicotine extract altogether. I've been refilling juul pods with my own melon juice @ 6% for many moons now, and it's p good, but still not the same as juul mango. And the "flavor" isn't the difference that I notice, it's the throat hit and feeling in the lungs.
Edit: I should note that while I have been making juice for a year now, I am pretty much a novice and have not tried many different nics, VG, PG, and flavorings, nor have I tried my own juices in anything other than a juul or suorin drop. I did vape many tank and rda devices for a few years previously though.
Capella Yellow Peach has Hexenol Cis-3 which is the same as 3-Hexen-1-ol. Has geraniol though so not a total potential match. But this is the first I’ve seen of that hexen one.
Well, it's not Capella Sweet Mango
Not surprised to see tutti frutti; Juul mango totally tastes like the tutti frutti ice cream/mix-in syrup from places that had these banners way back in the day, early 90s. The tutti frutti was sooo good.
Edit: I actually like that this is so lightly flavored (0.37% is light right?) because it explains why I never get tired of this and do other juices.
I am 99% sure juul uses flavorah mango. I mixed it at 8%. I worked at a manufacturer for a while and have tried pretty much every mango on the market and I think this by itself is closest to a mango juul pod.
/u/flavorah Comment?
Can neither confirm nor deny... However I will note that this document and project is like a detective trying to re-assemble a novel from a shredder bin. They might find some words and sentences, but for your DIY purposes, its not the same as knowing what the actual discrete ingredients are. A few sentances will not reveal the whole plot.
Our Mango has 33 separate ingredients. This doc shows 16, and a poor match at that.
That said, you can get darn close to what you are trying to accomplish if you do a little DIY work and have the right flavors to start with. Edit: removed quote.
Hey there! thanks for the feedback on this. I think there are many who hit the mango right on the head, however that Virginia tobacco.. That's a mysterious one that nobody can seem to nail down as its so much different than anything else I have tried at least tobacco wise as its not trying to play cigar or Caramel/sweet..