Situation:
- I am trying to port 3 juices to the Caliburn (see below)
- More generally, as the Caliburn seems fairly dominant for its place in the market, I think it warrants a bit of detailed analysis for mixing as I for one, will likely use this as my main device for the next year
- I am sure a lot of you will agree
- EDIT: forgot to say, I want this to be for salt nic, at 20% or above. I usually go for 30% and then after adding a few % let it rest at around 25% before giving a final verdict. Obviously can then mix back up to 30% if needed
Complexity:
- Like most pod devices, identical mixing of the recommended/original is pretty subpar
- But the caliburn is pretty powerful for a pod device, and so ratios that work in other pod devices do not quite work either imo
Question:
- Would anyone like to test/try with me? General advice or other recopies that work well with the caliburn?
- I want to perfect these and make them as good as possible if not as good as the original
- EDIT: please do not just give a non-pod or "normal" recipe
Notes:
- Tried the original and there is basically no taste at +5 days
- Added 10-20% to the original, let it steep 2 days, tried and tasted until I got the below
- Tried the below table. For a few days it was pretty good, I'd say spot on, but the flavour dropped and there was very little coconut at about +8 days
- what could be causing the drop off?
- can we go higher/lower on any of the flavours?
|Flavour|%|Note| |:-|:-|:-| |TPA Bav Cream|2|I think at 3% this just tastes too smokey| |FA Merignue|1|I think it gives a hint of sweetness. Would love to up this to 2% in the next trial| |FA Fresh Cream|1|Really risky to up this any more. I do not want that (lovely) "just off" taste that the fresh cream gives as it wouldn't come out right| |FA Coconut|1.5|Great earthy notes. But again, it really dropped off after 2 days. I think it dropped off less than the FLV Coconut| |FLV Sweet Coconut|3|Perfect sweet and fresh notes. Really made this taste like the real deal. Real bad drop off after 2 days|
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- Tried original etc etc.
- Not got TPA stawberry (only got ripe strawberry)
- Will get TPA stawberry in my next purchase and do more notes
- Currently have a half decent recipe with the below
- Main issue is the creamyness is all wrong. It tastes plain, not milky
|Flavour|%|Note| |:-|:-|:-| |TPA Bav Cream|4|Such a mistake to go over 3. Wish I had kept this as 2%| |TPA CGC|4|This does not do what it says on the tin at all. It adds a bit of cheesyness. I think I want to replace this with a meringue/freshcream mix. Maybe even some TPA Vanilla Swirl?| |TPA Dragon Fruit|2|This does what it needs to do fairly well.| |TPA Ripe Stawberry|6|Good and floral.| |TPA Stawberry|0|Waiting for it in my next order|
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Mango (see ID10's reply)
- Not tried just yet. Only had juicy peach and only just got yellow.
- edit: ID10 says that this likely has too much flavour and was designed for the Juul or something less impactful than the Caliburn. If anyone tries, lower flavour %
I mix a lot of pod stuff, I vape it for half the day four to six days a week. Increases productivity because I don't have to go outside for vape breaks when I'm at the office.
But I haven't shared (at least not on my ATF account) any pod recipes yet, because I don't think any of them are great enough to be worth sharing. I think that's partly because they really aren't and partly because I'm having trouble adjusting my expectations downward for what these pods are actually capable of delivering, flavor-wise.
I didn't know you were using a Caliburn when you asked for a pod recipe using the flavors you had on hand. The one I suggested for you might be too much flavor for that device, though I think the combination of flavors will be great. I don't usually like CAP Sweet Mango, but it really sings in the pods I've tried it in at what would otherwise be insane percentages.
So far, I've only used the Sourin Air, Sourin Drop, and Smok Novo pods. But, seeing how popular the Caliburn has become and how people report differences in how it vapes compared to other pods, I just ordered and (yesterday) received two of them, so I can try to make some recipes specifically for that device and share them to help people out. I'd love to help you with this now, but the question is being asked a little too soon for me, again I just got the things yesterday. Maybe we can collaborate on this. You, me, and... /u/nabs199020 ?
Yeah I'm definitely down for mixing and trying things out in a collab, I've got a few tobaccos steeping, will be comparing them to an mtl rta and adjusting %s accordingly.
If either you or /u/noam_compsci have rough recipes or %s you need trying out let me know and I'll mix those up, buying new flavours isn't a huge problem right now as I'm increasing inventory.
Also /u/noam_compsci
I just got my Caliburn yesterday. Am happy enough with a Nord, .6 coil, but wanted something that has a supposedly longer coil life. I'll have to see about that.
I will say that Holy Sundae from /u/vapouround-ned is more flavorful in the Caliburn. Needs a tad more Ripple for my tastes, but is surprisingly good for such a low power device.
I have Cap S Mango mixed at just 3% that I will try next. It comes thru plenty strong on the Nord, hoping I don't have to mix up for the new one.
cap sweet mango at 3%...?? in a pod juice?? I feel like I wouldn't taste anything at all.
I have a juice I've found to be perfect for all pod devices I've tried it on. It also only uses capella sweet mango... but at 30%.
30% capella sweet mango, 10% PG, 10% VG, 50% 100mg/ml VG based Nicotine salts.
I've been vaping this juice for about a year now, and it's always good, which is why I have a hard time believing 3% flavoring is anywhere near strong enough for a pod device.
OMG, you've vaped Holy Sundae :D I still mix your raspberry custard when I have enough other stuff mixed up to allow it to steep without plundering it within the first week ;)
HS is one of my favorites when craving creamy. It scratches that itch. Really blends well after a month.
I burned myself out on INW raz because of that one. Recently playing with a remix using FA. Waiting a month before tweaking, but good so far.
Heeeeeyyy Coop! How are ya?
We both got Caliburns yesterday! What are the odds? We're Calburn brothers now!
I'm not surprised that 3% CAP Sweet Mango comes through plenty strong on the Nord sub-ohm coil. I'm very curious about how it does in the Caliburn, please let know. I find 8% to be about right for the other very low power pod dealies I've used it in, but am not sure about the Caliburn, does it really do more flavor? My guess is 3% is going to be weak sauce but 8% would be overkill. Eagerly awaiting your results.
Ok, not standalone, but this:
3% Cap Sweet Mango
2% TFA Papaya
1% FA Cantalope
Mostly ripe papaya, and not much of the others. Def not as flavorful as it is in the Nord. But the Holy Sundae is better. Go figure.
Next bottle I'll cut the papaya in half, double the other 2. Cap at 6% is prob a safe bet.
Still, impressive little device for what it is. Like Juul's big brother. Not a replacement for my other MTL, but if the coils last longer I can deal with it.
Ah great to hear. Yep when I asked that (good memory!), I was using a Juul which I still kind of use but mostly with bootleg pods.
Caliburn seems to be a sticking point in the market, so would be good to create a bit of an ecosystem around it. Who knows, could even turn into its own subreddit one day.. I'll check back in a few weeks once you get a good spin out of the caliburn
/r/DIY_Caliburnejuice?
Let me know if you have something you want me to mix up. Maybe I should start with that thing I suggested to you? I'm sure it's going to be too much flavoring to taste good, but by how much? Only one way to find out.
Haha that would be perfect. Lets make one batch of juices and if they "work", make the community.
Also, I am doign coconut, /u/nabs199020 is doing a tobacco, and so maybe do mango or if you think another "top" ATF/ELR mix would be popular, go for that?
I think a cream, a fruit and a tobacco is a great starting point. I am not sure we can get a good cream from the caliburn/pod devices and so have landed on a creamy coconut.
Yea, mixing for the caliburn is definately different, flavor is almost like smok baby beast shitty sub ohm tank level and not average pod level. Ive found that pears work really well/are very present with the caliburn in my expirimenting. I ordered a pack of pods online and they sent me 5 packs, so ive been able to "rewick" with every recipe I make.
I'd get involved with this, the caliburn is my go to for mtl and is a daily carry. I've tried a couple of recipes at original %s and as the overall profile was there, but the flavour was more muddled.
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I think we'd have to simplify some recipes, maybe strip away some of the bottom notes and make them more top note heavy with maybe one accentuating note.
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Do you mix with nic salt? I do and I'd suspect that it further alters flavours.
Awesome. If you have a go mixing any of the below please let me know. Also feel free to add your own most liked recipes for others to test maybe?
Yes, 20%-30% salt nic. Agreed on the flavour muting.
I agree on simplification. I think the caliburn does not do bavarian cream or creams in general that well. Also vanilla tastes like pound cake, or just generic cake really. So i want to remove those notes and instead add sweetness and freshness with the likes of meringue and fresh cream.
I'll keep you posted!
I've got a 2nd caliburn and I've mixed up this as its one of my favourites for mtl. I've got the standard %s steeping for both dl 3mg and mtl 20mg nic salts, I'll compare what notes come through and which don't and try to adjust accordingly.
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I'll do the same for a few other recipes and we can see how to make these recipes work for pod systems.
Have you checked out the pod mixing thread from last week?
Yeah good shout. I think the wild card is that the Caliburn is pretty good for flavor and taste. Some of the stuff I was vaping in my Juul and it tasted pretty decent, just tastes like artificial sweetener with the caliburn. But at the same time it is not as taste-ful as say, an RBA or mid priced mod.
Hey noam. I'm a bit pressed for time so sorry for my brevity. Pods or low wattage gear tend to perform better with simple recipes. Less flavours. Fruits perform well. Milks and creams not so much. With the first recipe: TFA Bavarian Cream contains a muting agent called EM - Ethyl Maltol. The more EM the more muted your recipe becomes. Which we don't want - especially in pods. If I was going the coconut route I'd maybe remove the creams and add in things like Lime/Pineapple/Mango - don't be afraid to pump %'s.
With the second recipe I would drop TFA Bav Cream altogether. But as it's a strawberry milk, we do need some cream. I'd go with something like this:
- JF Sweet Strawberry 4%
- LB Strawberry Cheesecake 2% (helps both with the strawberry and the creaminess)
- INW Raspberry 0.75% (helps strengthen the ''red'')
- FLV Cream 0.5%
- FA Cream Fresh 0.75%
- FA Cold Pressed Lime 1%
- FE Lemon 0.5%
- WS-23 1%
- CAP Super Sweet 0.25%
The two citrus help the strawberry pop and makes the recipe less cloying. edit: after reading my post - this recipe could indeed be simpler. Apologies.
Great great tip on dropping Bav cream. It explains so much.
I will try this with the coconut, but want a pure coconut so will not add another fruit just yet :)
Haha! Like the idea of adding a dash of lemon or lime to make it pop. I think I will try add one of the limes and then some raspberry if it still needs help to be really fruity. Great idea, thank you.
This might not be 100% accurate as I used one-shots but I've had quite good results with +15% of the total flavourings at 50/50 10mg freebase nic. The ones I have tried have mostly been creams/desserts. Also made a batch of 60/40 9mg freebase ry4 at base level flavourings which turned out really nicely after a months steep :)
Also recently got a Caliburn from the advice of this and related reddits... My first device switching from regular cigs (well, Juul, then this).
This works! (Juul works). I've tried e-cig devices years ago, but I think the salts really make the difference. My brain wants the device more than a regular cigarette.
I agree we need a separate space for Caliburn discussion... but Reddit is NOT it! we need a regular wiki or forum format. I would be more than happy to contribute... I'm putting my first order in now to start making my own juice, but I plan on starting with plain, unflavored nic from different sources and different forms (salt, freebase, mixed) just focusing on the desired effect.
Maybe I'm more sensitive than others, but these 35mg/ml concentrates get me high! Like, hard to think and function normally high. I would not mind at all contributing to a wiki of like minded individuals looking to replace cigarettes.
Reddit is a terrible forum format though. Old posts with excellent information get locked, archived, and buried rather than bumped and added to. I do not understand this trend... other than millenials like to ask the same questions over and over again like they're the first person asking the question.
My family has plenty of you though... please don't be offended.
Awesome that you quit smoking.
Yep I do feel we need a better place to communicate. I think once we have a few good recipes we should move onto a more appropriate platform.
Do you have an idea of a flavour or mix you will start with?
Also, regarding the use of reddit, I think the search function is pretty decent, or googling a question + "reddit" will give the right direction to an archived or locked post. Proper forums also have the same issues, I mean check out how many reposts there are on any given topic on Github lol. Something like discord could work though - what are your thoughts?
You guys still working on caliburn recipes?
No mine broke :( may get a new one soon