My first attempt in DIYing ejuice for my juul pod, just wondering if a total of 20% flavour in 5% nic salt (with 60VG/40PG) ok or should I reduce the total flavour % to 10 or 15%? Any advice appreciated!
Edit: my concern is whether 20% flavours might be bad for health or creates harsh throat hit. I am thinking about Mango/fruits flavour rather than mint/menthol.
Tbh it depends on the recipe. It's not just a one size fits all type thing. Doubling percentages will sometimes work for basic fruit recipes. But if it's a tobacco or a menthol, that might end up either tasting awful or harsh or non-existent.
If you post the recipe, I can try to see what would work best. For reference, I made a recipe thats supposed to just emulate the mint juul pods, and when I put it in a juul, it worked nicely. But the overall percentage of flavors on that recipe is like, 5% or something like that. So it just depends.
There is no recipe actually, I received a bottle of 10ml 5% nic salt juice (without flavour), I would like to add some mango flavour concentrates to this bottle. Just wondering what % flavour should I achieve to get good tasty results. I know I wont achieve the same results as the original Mango juul, but just want to flavour up my flavourless nic salt juice.
Would be great to see your mint recipe if you don't mind sharing? :)
Edit: the 5% nic salt is at 60VG:40PG.
You realize adding flavorings will reduce the nicotine concentration and increase the PG content, yes? And adding mango flavors can't result in a good tasting result, because peach.
some flavour is still better than no flavour, yes i do realise by doing so will lower the nic concentration which i dont mind as 5% is too strong for me anyway, I think 3-4% nic would do for me. Hence, my original question if adding flavour concentrates up to 20% is ok? My concern is actually having too much flavour might be toxic or too harsh on the throat or something.
I always make my base to the same exact strength (6mg) regardless of how much flavor I plan to use and if I'm being honest I can never tell a difference In the three or four percent my recipes vary by. Every once in a blue moon I make a mutt have a cheesecake based recipe The clocks in about 8 or 9% flavoring. In most cases though I'm between two and 3% flavoring and even when I'm up around 9% I use the same strength base and it's just a satisfying to me. Again maybe with this ( like how I enjoy very little flavoring) I am an exception but back when I smoked I never noticed a difference from smoke to smoke or pack the pack or for that matter brand to brand when it came to needing my fix and killing the craving.
My favorite pod recipe It's not spot on to mango juul recipe, it's close but unique to its own at the same time
Mango unchained
5% capella sweet mango
1% citrus punch tfa
Optional
0.66% cactus inw
You can substitute golden pineapple by capella at 1.5% for the citrus.
Hey, there are a few great posts on nic salts on here, one from last Thursday (check the Weekly flair) was great.
Essentially, what you are doing will not taste nice. I tried it with 18mg Dinner Lady lemon tart nic salt. Tried to add a splash of something. It just does not work IMO to add DIY to premade. I have also made up to 30% flavour mixes with nic salt and they just tasted meh tbh.
If yoy want my advice, ditch the liquid, and do not tyr and save it. It is a sunk cost, learn and move on.
Second, 5mg is very low for nic salt. Due to a bunch of chemical interactions, I feel that it is likely you get no nic hit from that at all. I am no expert, but there is a reason they make nic higher than normal ejuice.
Thanks for your advice. It is a 50mg/ml nic salt not 5mg! That’s why I didn’t want to waste it. I’m sure it could be rescued by adding some flavour concentrates despite lowering the nic concentration and upping the PG, I’m ok with it. I might just get a one shot flavour concentrate from chefs flavours to try out
My rule of thumb is 6-7% flavoring maximum and I mix 36mg nicotine. Some flavors are stronger than others, this I know, but it's a fair baseline.
Most of my recipes look like this For fruits I frequent TFA and Capella for the base around 5% And throw in 0-1% INW for character.
Creams don't play nice when you have high nicotine because benzoic acid added to nic salts to make them less harsh fuck with creams. If you want to cream up a fruit recipe then Banana is the only creamy substitute I've found gives you a bit of cream without going rancid on the cream.
I switched to vaping back in 2010 and while I never looked back, pretty much every juice I tasted was horrible to me. I started mixing my own sometime around 2013 or 2014 and I quickly realized that most recipes at the average concentrations used was just way too much flavoring for me. In all the years that I've been vaping I've only managed to find one store-bought e-liquid that doesn't taste like a shitload of chemicals to me and even then on the rare occasion that I do get a bottle I get it at triple the strength and cut it with VG and the flavor is much better for me. I'm probably an extreme case but I think most people that makes their own would agree there is nothing more frustrating then starting with flavor concentrations that are too high assuming the recipe is shit when it's really just too much flavoring. The best advice I could give you to start light with the flavoring. Really light. It's much easier to get the feel and build a flavor profile out of the flavors at low concentrations and then as you mix more and more you can bump them up to where it works for you. My juice is tend to be anywhere between 1-4% flavoring. Sometimes I bump it up a little bit sometimes I tone it down. Once you really get the hang of it It's not so hard. I don't even measure anything but my nicotine at this point. I usually whip it up in 100 or 500ml batches and just count the drops of flavoring I squirt in. I might be an exception in liking my flavors really light but even if you find yourself liking it really strong starting light will make your journey a lot easier.
TLDR- Start much, much lower with your flavor percentages then you think you need. When you're starting out, as stupid is it sounds it's kind of hard to tell sometimes if you put too much or if the recipie doesn't work for you but if you don't put enough you can still vape the shit out of it and add a few more drops if you'd like.
Thank you for sharing your experience and advice! I supposed you are using the juice on subohm devices that are so powerful that 1-4% flavour is more than enough?
As I’m using low power high ohm pod device (juul) 1-4% flavour is not going to give much flavour?
I use it like that in several different kinds of devices. I make freebase and salt nic and use everything from sub ohm builds @ about 50 watts to In my little smok Nord pod thing using 1.4 or .6 ohm coils (I prefer the 1.4 ohm in that somehow). The flavor is plenty strong enough for me all around. Most people like a little more flavor than I do but the key is to start very low when you're learning to mix it and bump it up as you see fit. If you mix the flavor week and it's not strong enough for you add two or three more drops and try it again. You be amazed at how much of a difference even 1/2% can make with many flavors. If I makes 100ml of my cheesecake mix sometimes I put two or three drops of sugar cookie in it and those two or three drops make a big difference to me.
I'm only mixing 2 or 3 flavour recipes for all my devices now, usually maxing out at 7-8% total flavouring. I'll maybe go to 10% for a pod juice, bump everything 1%, but I usually keep it much the same regardless of what I'm vaping it on. From my limited attempts with these, I've found going above 10% doesn't add much on such a low powered device. Just a waste of concentrates really.
It depends on the flavors (MFG) you are using. It would help to see the recipe. You may be over flavoring and muting your flavors or you could be right on. My bet is your over flavoring on. With low wattage mouth to lung devices it better to keep your recipe as simple as possible. No more than 4 flavors because you won't taste the rest of it anyway.
For the last two years I’ve been mixing only for my pod systems, if you want to use 20% go on ahead but in my experience I get tons of flavor keeping most of my recipes under 3%, also because I don’t want to destroy my coils
Get Flavorah Mango, it's a pretty potent flavoring. Use around 3% and call it a day. SC Mango at Bullcity is good/strong too. For pods I like to use stronger flavors. They come through just fine for me.
Based on percentages alone and playing with a calculator, it looks like with 50mg/ml nic base, the highest nic concentration you end up with when making it 20% flavor is 40mg/ml and you end up with about a 48/52 vg/PG ratio.
If those numbers work for you, then it boils down to the recipe and device. I have a fruit recipe that does just fine at 20% in my Frenzy or Pasito, with the same nic and similar ratio.