I normally do my DIY with nic salts and all of my friends love that it has no throat hit. What I don't understand is why do most big companies use freebase? They make great flavours but some are unvapeable at 6mg just because it's too harsh. I get some people like a throat hit but so many don't. So why is freebase even a thing still?
I'm a person who will turn down a juice completely if the company exclusively uses Nic Salts. I enjoy a throat hit and it's what has kept me smoke free for so many years.
- I'm freebase until I quit.
I started vaping around 5 years ago and it got me off of smoking. I smoke about half a pack a day of “light” cigarettes for about 20 years. Now I vape 12mg freebase which is pretty much what I started at 5years ago. I’m not that interested in reducing that level.
Maybe I’m just used to my setup and haven’t really investigated moving to nic salts (other than trying the juul). I use MTL setups (currently an Aspire Tigon @1.2ohms/11Watts). I don’t chase clouds. I only feed the nicotine monkey on my back.
I’m not against nic salts but I know freebase nicotine does it for me. So unless I have a compelling reason n to switch to salts, I’m sticking with freebase.
Like PlasmaTune says, whatever it takes to stay smoke free is the key.
What are you talking about?
Unvapable to one person is a other person every day vape. They make it because people buy it. Just because you find 6mg to be harsh doesn't mean everyone agrees with you. Everyone has their personal preferences.
Even as a salt user, I buy 0 nic to mix with my salts to lower the nic in order to step down. Salts cost WAAAY MORE than freebase does.
I tend to use 3mg freebase in my subohm mesh tanks and such, and there is absolutely no throat hit at all. The assumption that freebase is somehow inferior to salts is an opinion, not a fact. It is also an assumption to say they are all rough. There was a time where they made 18mg and 24mg freebase and it was commonly used. Now THAT was rough. Then again, the devices were much less efficient.
Tl;Dr some people like using it even if you dont
The throat hit from freebase stopped me from switching over to vape. The day I tried Salt nicotine 25mg was the last day I smoked. I'm down to 5-10mg Salt now. Also I've read that Salt nic absorb better at lower watts 10-30w.
Salt nic doesn't absorb "better". It's absorbs quicker. You get the same nicotine absorbtion overall. Wattage makes no difference besides volume of vapor
Again, to each their own. You thinking freebase has a lot of throat hit doesn't mean everyone does, and there are multiple producers/vendors of nicotine and they don't all feel the same.
Understandable some people like it but a LOT of people I know don't like the throat hit. Nic salts work out to be a very similar price if you buy it in the same concentration as regular freebase. I just don't understand why nic salts are as commonly used in lower mg juices as freebase when there is definitely a market for it.
That doesn't make sense. No one is using salt nics at lower concentrations because there is absolutely no point. Low nic freebase has almost no throat hit to begin with. if you want lower concentrations salt nic, buy a salt nic and buy the 0mg freebase equivalent and mix your own, becauae they are going to charge the same amount for a 3mg nic salt 30ml bottle as they do for a 24 or 50mg 30ml bottle if they do make lower salt nics. The only way it's cheaper is if you mix your own; it will always cost more than freebase purchasing retail.
Skwezed makes 12mg nic salt and that's the lowest I've seen
There is multiple sites that sell low mg nic salt juices. I know people that get horrible throat hit from 6mg freebase including me and I smoked 15-25 cigs a day. There is 100% most definitely a market for low mg nic salt juices for rdas rtas and subohm tanks and most people at vape stores agree with me
Because its cheaper and the throat hit is desirable to some, especially smokers or ex smokers.
> throat hit is desirable to some, especially ~~smokers or ex smokers~~masochists.
FTFY.
Former smoker. Never liked 'throat hit'.
I do not think it is possible to compare freebase with salt.
First, it depends on the type of salt. Benzoic acid vs other acids.
Second, when looking at manufactueres like Juul/PAX, they use 50mg salt nic for a reason. At that level, the throat hit can be equivelent to freebase 5mg. But the nicotine in blood over time is very different to freebase.
Just check out the Ruthlessvapor article on the subject....
The clouds.
I mix my juices at 6mg with nic salts. Are you saying if I used freebase the clouds would be bigger? 🤔
Ahh, I figured you were using the normal 35 or 50 that salt nics come in.
Using 50 salt nic in a pod device won't produce as much vapor as 3 or 6 in a box mod.
Is it simply down to costs? Salt nic is around 2.5x as expensive as freebase here in China.
I actually thought I was using freebase in my mixing for the first two months (I don't read Chinese very well). By the time I actually tried using freebase recently, I found it quite harsh and unpleasant for DTL vaping, even at just 4 or 5mg. IMO it detracts a wee bit from the flavour.
I'm using up what I have left of it now for simple MTL mixes, where I enjoy that kick, but for my ADVs and anything I'm going to be using on a DTL atomiser, it's salt nic all the way.
I prefer the freebase throat hit. Good clean nic isn't overly harsh or scratchy. Salts give me a weird, unpleasant sharpness in the chest without anything on the throat. Also still have questions on the safety of salt.
I also get an irritation. I can't exhale nic salts through my nose without it burning something fierce. It's worse the higher the concentration. But even as little as 3 mg is enough to cause that burn. I might be the only one though. I've never seen anyone agree with me.
Did you happen to get your salts from Nude Nicotine? I got a strange chemical taste from the Smooth, couldn't get past it.
No I didn't. But I've noticed it with 2 commercial e liquids and the PurNic Smooth Salts I ordered. It's that chemically weird flavor though that burns my nose. I might be extra sensitive to it. Normal nic doesn't bother me. I still vape salts but always as a "mouth breather" lol.
Tbh I find that the low mg nic salts typically are a tiny bit better than freebase. I mostly smoke for the habit (smoked hookah for years but never really got into cigs except after a couple beers), so the nicotine hasn’t really been too important to me. I like the side effects of nicotine though. Nic salt juice seem to deliver more accurate flavor to me.
I'll just chime in here and say that for me, 3/6mg freebase (depending on the juice) is much more satisfying than say a 20mg saltnic..I tried that once (dinner lady lemon tart) and it felt so pointless to me, couldn't get a decent hit out of it ..only time I've enjoyed salt nic is when it was at least a 35mg in a MTL device and I could actually feel the throat hit.
To each their own though. If you or your friends don't want a throat hit then go for it.
My guess would be that most people haven't tried sub ohming low strength nic salts. There's the whole "salts are for pods, you'll die if you use them in a sub ohm setup" misinformation campaign too. As 3 mg and 6 mg salts become more widely available, people like OP who don't like throat hit will probably switch to them. We're in the early stages of that change right now.
Salts are a different chemical compound than freebase. To you it is a smooth to the throat hit. I have heard many people complain about chest tightness after using salts for a week. I have used both. With salts I miss the throat and lung hit after smoking for fifty-three years. Was on Chantix and totally off nic. Chantix & Welbutrin will get you off nicotene but it doesn't solve the issue of hand to mouth and throat and lung hit. If salts take that away I just as soon go back to smoking as I did after cessation drugs.