I have a bunch of friends buying pod-like devices and the juice i've been making them is a little weak - this is known.
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but the question is if there is a general rule for increasing the percentages for recipes for sub-ohm mixes so they work better in pods?
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increase flavor percentages by 10% for example? anyone know?
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thanks!
My response last time this was asked
In short, Pods aren't ever going to be flavor monsters, adjust your expectations, and if your mixes are complex, you're likely going to miss most of the nuance.
Keep your flavor profiles simple, one or two primary notes, and your percentages shouldn't have to change significantly, if at all. In the event that you feel the need to adjust your flavors up, move up in small increments, don't go doubling your recipe off the rip, it's very likely not necessary.
That was a great response last time. I think the best advice for converting sub-ohm recipes for pods is.... Don't. Find or create recipes designed for those systems. It's not like there aren't plenty of them to choose from.
Simple is as important as the % amount of flavor. Stick to simple recipes. Not only will you not get the nuances of complex flavors /u/Foment_life pointed out, more often than not, what you will get in place of those nuances is muddiness or mutedness. Of course there are exceptions to every rule, but if you need a rule, just ignore recipes that have more than three ingredients (not counting sweetener and coolant/menthol). Speaking of sweetener and coolants/menthol, those things come in really well in pods, and you might not need to increase them. So simply taking even a simple recipe and increasing %s across the board equally might not work as well as something specifically designed for a pod type thing.
But yes, you need to increase the %'s of most of the flavors most of the time. Sometimes you'll need to double them, but so far I've found that increasing the amount you'd normally use in a sub-ohm set up by 50% is effective. So instead of:
- 1% Flavor A
- 2% Flavor B
- 3% Flavor C
- 0.5% Sweetener
- 1% Menthol
The ideal pod version might be:
- 1.5% Flavor A
- 3% Flavor B
- 4.5% Flavor C
- 0.5% Sweetener
- 1% Menthol
Or it could be
- 2% Flavor A
- 4% Flavor B
- 4% Flavor C (because for whatever reason this flavor comes in better in a pod and would dominate at 6%)
- 0.5% Sweetener
- 1% Menthol
The best rule if you don't want to do a lot of experimenting is don't try to convert sub-ohm recipes for pods. Find recipes designed for pod systems or create your own.
One thing I will say as an addendum to this is that certain things like layering 2 or 3 different fruits of the same broad type IE: INW Shisha strawberry and FA Red Touch or FE Lychee and CAP Sweet lychee often works just fine, and can more or less be counted as one flavor.
So for a simple lychee/lime combo I often use this:
Vendor|Flavor|Percentage ---|---|--- FA | Lime Tahity Distilled| 1.5% VT | Persian Lime| 2% FE |Lychee| 1.5% CAP| Sweet Lychee|2%
With this recipe, all of the flavors there come through cleanly, and I find the flavor as potent as anything I've used in a pod device, from vendor juice to any pod recipe I've come across and tried, despite only being 7% flavor.
> just ignore recipes that have more than three ingredients (not counting sweetener and coolant/menthol).
You're right. I should have added to that: "Or maybe 4 or 5 as long as they're the same type of flavors (like your two lychees and two limes)."
Also... look at you finding a use for that FE Lychee.
Do you find that a 50/50 produces better flavor in a pod?
roger. will take the "idea" of the mix and simplify
Perfect. Rip that complex mix down to it's two most important parts and push the %s up 50 to 100% (increasing by 75% would be a good starting place, probably, so 1% becomes 1.75% instead of 2, etc) then you'll be well on your way to making some good pod vapes.
/u/ID10-T brings up a great point. Recipe ratios may need change, depending upon the atomizer/device.
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I think most DIY'ers stick with one particular atomizer (or similar type), because a recipe can taste quite different in a Goon-like RDA with full lung hits vs. an MTL-style RTA versus a pod, etc. If they have favorite mixes, they've probably put the effort into adapting those... assuming they're wanting to use a different setup.
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Heck, even changing the kind of coils (or coil-heads) you use can affect it.
I don't know if there's a rule but I'm satisfied with a 4% increase and going down to 60/40 VG/PG
So going from .5% to .52% makes that big a difference for you?
Alternatively, I'm not sure taking 0.07% FLV Rich Cinnamon up to 4.07% is going to be very smart.
Haha, no, not like that. I plug in my recipe on ELR, like BEWD, which has a total flavor percentage of 12.3% the I hit the tools button and select adjust total flavor %. I add 4% (12.3 + 4 = 16.3) and it gives me
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Flavor | Old | New
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Bilberry | 2.7 | 3.58
Blueberry | 2.7 | 3.58
Dragon Fruit | 1.5 | 1.99
Peach Juicy | 2.7 | 3.58
Peach White | 2.7 | 3.58
There is no magic formula to increase flavor. Some mixes will actually mute flavor if you go too high. The best I've ever accomplished is 1-2% for my main notes and 1/2% for accents.
I've had better results just remixing a 70/30 at 60/40 without touching my flavors.
The trick is to pick the recipe. Generally speaking, recipies with only 3 flavour profiles or less seem to do the best. Now - if you use 2 strawberries that only counts as one flavour profile (generally)
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You can also bump the vg ratio down a little for pods, some pods really require you to others will work with 75 vg but the flavour often suffers. Bumping it down to a 60/40 or 50/50 may squeeze out a little more flavour. Increasing the percentages in the recipe probably won't help much.
This is interesting. I am new to DIY so feel free to ignore but my findings are:
- I disagree that you cannot get a lot of flavour from these devices
- I think the nicotine strength has more impact on flavour, than the device
- A trade off is more flavour vs. coil gunk, vape mouth
- Some flavours are affected more than others - unfortunately experimentation (and waste?) is needed
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My solutions are:
- Simple flavours - I try to have one or two flavours
- Layered flavours - I try to have multiple types of, say, mango, so that which is muted is then also enhanced
- I try to aim for 20-25% flavour total in my mix. I think anything more and I got very immune to that flavour. Even after an entire day of vaping another flavour, I was just immune to mango.....
- I try to aim for 25-30% salt nic%. At 40% salt nic%, the muting effect was pretty ridiculous