Ive mixed up my first 3 bottles of juice and so far they have hardly any flavor. I did the quick steep in warm water method, lots of shaking. The only one that has a definable flavor is the peach and honey cream mix i made, but it just tastes like honey. I made a watermelon bottle, and a blackberry apricot bottle. They do have a slight flavor in my rda, but in my tank it tastes almost like nothing at all. Ive been using liquid nicotine wholesalers ejuice calculator. Is the calculator off? First 2 batches were 20pg/80vg the last one was 30pg/70vg, and still no difference. Is there anything i can do, or is there any steps im forgetting or not understanding?
Need to see the recipes to offer help. Every flavor is different, and overuse will cause flavor loss just as underuse would.
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This is what im gettin from the calculator for the next flavor i want.
I don't use sweet strawberry over 3% in anything and it's fairly well distinct. It could be you have a flavor blind spot, not being able to taste strawberry is not uncommon, or it could be that taking those two up that high is overstimulating and effectively cancels out the whole premise of adding the flavors.
I also missed the bit about speed steeping. There is little evidence that anything commonly tried is a fruit bearing endeavor. Most attempts to do so only serve to cause flavor volatiles to evaporate and thus mute the mix.
If you are coming from commercial juice, it will take a week or two to get used to no sweetener. Until then anything will taste light. Just stick with it, it will get better. Plus your coil life will greatly improve. You could also pick up a bottle of Cap Super Sweet and use it conservatively. Just 2 or 3 drops in a 30ml batch will make a noticeable difference.
I'd also like to suggest a different Kiwi, Flavourart. 4% in place of Cap Kiwi is a much better choice IMO. Of course, if you can't taste your juice now, well you might be hesitant to buy additional flavors. It will get better once you get over the insane amount of sweetener in store-bought juice. I hope this helps..
Welcome!
Im not hesitant at all, im wanting to make it work. I just have to wait for my next check and try every flavor id like to taste. Will definitely be buying a sweetener in the near future.
Great stuff. Mate get JF Sweet Strawberry instead - I never use my CAP Sweet Strawberry. And as Coop says, get FA Kiwi to replace CAP's version. You can also add LB Strawberry Cheesecake to JF Sweet Strawberry to give a nice rounded, if slightly candied, strawberry.
There is no quick steep. Also you don't mention percentages.
Coming from commercial sweeteners, DIY juices can seem less flavorful. A lot of people bash sweetener, but I think it makes juices for me, so I always add 0.5 to 1% CAP SS. I run rebuildables so I don't care about gunk.
I recommend trying CAP flavors at 5% test batches. Maybe add super sweet to pump them up. Especially that Strawberry as some people (like me) can't taste normal strawberry flavors. So if you can't, it's like vaping nothing plus Kiwi.
And some recipes are just very light. A juice of just straight kiwi and strawberry flavors sounds like it'll be dull a light. I'd add FA Fuji and TFA Dragonfruit and maybe another layer to one of the main fruits to bring it out.
Ill try that dragon fruit idea because i have some. Ill see if that help. Thanks!
Well, dragonfruit won't change things dramatically. It adds more of a background to fruit flavors to help pump them up, but we're talking a very slight edge. The Fuji in my recommendation would be the base layer and add a overall fruity tone, and the Dragonfruit would help bring everything together.
The sweetener would help boost all the flavors no matter what. Like I said, I always run sweeteners, most juices at CAP SS at 0.5% to add that sweetness and boost and body. Otherwise, IMO, almost all juices taste rather bland. I could adjust myself over the long run, but I want impact from my juice, but just enough, not too much.
I recently used CAP dragonfruit in a mix at 1% and it's very strong. It tastes like peach. Also, I've noticed that when I mix 15ml test batches they seem to have twice the flavor as 60 or 120ml batches. I use a little heat to thin the VG before shaking on everything so that's not a factor. I have a theory now that the bigger the batch the more steeping is required. Patience is not one of my virtues so only time will tell, but these are my observations so far. Try mixing 15ml and see if it's the same for you.
Both should be shake and vapeable, however there are a few things that could leave your mix muted.
- Overflavoring - Try and half those percentages and see what happens. They both seems very high!
- Maybe you can't taste strawberries?
- I'm no expert on this matter, but the speed steep could have ruined your mix. I would have probably just started vaping it, instead of messing around with a hot bath steep for something that can be used as SnV.
Ill make another and try it out with half the percentages.
I can't comment directly without seeing these recipes, but there are a few comments I'd like to make. CAP and TFA are popular because they have a WIDE variety of flavors and lots of suppliers carry them. But they are not as concentrated as some flavors are (e.g. Real Flavors).
In your peach and honey, I find honey a strong flavor. Watermelon is very light and needs help.
The temperature may have killed off some of the volatiles that would be present with a proper steep.
If you can share your percentages, myself or anyone may be able to advise if too much or too little before steeping properly. Most fruits are good off of a shake... but sometimes a day or two can help it settle!
Don't use the heat bath when mixing fruit flavors, reserve that practice for cream and bakery only. Experiment with higher PG and keep flavoring at the recommended flavor % as listed on ELR until you develop the intuition that only comes with experience. Capella flavors are like no other, and the flavors you mentioned are strange so results will vary.
I couldn't taste Sweet Watermelon in testing until over 10% with sweetener added. Even then it was a light tasting flavor. I also couldn't get any flavor out of Raspberry V1 but those two are about it. I dont have a problem tasting Capella flavors usually. Some are all kinds of potent like Cake Batter.