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A Treatise on Ginger
submitted over 6 years ago by Loonicorn420Soul, Schmoul

Hello Reddit DIY Community. It is I, the long dormant lover of ginger. I was a pretty active poster for a while. I got involved in Mixer’s Club here and every once in a while, would toss a recipe or two out in the monthly thread. I violated the delicate flavor of u/ID10-T’s Longing by throwing some FLV Ginger in it and calling it Ardent. That caught his attention which in turn helped get the attention of other well known mixers. He is the Kingmaker after all.

I was invited to be a guest on the Ginger episode of Noted last summer. I had a blast. It was my first time doing a YouTube show. It was my first time doing single flavor tests. And last fyi. I got to meet Cheeba and Emily. I learned how to use Discord and a new group video chatting software. Many cherries were popped that night for me! I was picked for ginger specifically because I had submitted many mixes that included ginger in them for MC, including a ginger-mango nectar and several ginger infused cocktails. Some of our MC participants dreaded it while others dug it.

By the time the Noted episode rolled around I was participating less in MC and on Reddit. I lost my dad last spring and my mom’s Alzheimer’s has rapidly progressed over the past year. Mom lives with me and I am her primary care giver. It was getting increasingly more difficult to do anything for myself and by myself. And when she was gone on the weekends at my sister’s house, I was more inclined to crawl in bed with some Netflix or an audio book than to spend time on recipe development or being active in the community.

I had one last hurra on Mixin’ Vixens as a guest on the Maple Nut Blondie episode. I also had a blast on that show. The Vixens were great. They inspired a new recipe, which I will be sharing here, and are just a great bunch of intelligent, gorgeous lady mixers! I was looking forward to doing more shows in the future. But then I ghosted. I was still occasionally checking in with MC on Discord but mostly I was gone from the DIY community as quickly as I had come into it.

So now, I’m baaaack! Mom goes to adult daycare and I’m managing things much better now. I’ve reconnected with the folks in Mixers Club, which is now being done fully on Discord, and I just placed my first flavor order in a really long time. I’m ready to get back in the game and reclaim my throne as the ginger queen. I told Dave I wanted some ginger flair! So I am writing this post to earn it! I promised a post with at least 3 recipes with ginger in them. They are on ATF and have been for a while. But I never posted them on Reddit or shared them with the larger community. Two of them were discussed on Noted and the third was inspired by the Vixens.

[The Second Coming](https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/110026#the_second_coming_by_loonicorn)

Warm cooked pears infused with spicy fresh ginger and covered in a sweet bourbon sauce. You may even pick up a hint of chocolate sauce lightly drizzled on top.

FA Pear @ 2%

TFA Pear @ 2%

FLV Bourbon @ 0.5%

TFA Kentucky Bourbon @ 2%

NF Ginger @ 1.5%

FLV Ginger @ 0.5%

TFA Toasted Marshmallow @ 1.5%

This was created for Mixer’s Club March 2018 when the theme was St. Patty’s Day. My thought behind this was this holiday (in the US) represents a bunch of gingers getting drunk. I’m not above using a flagrant stereotype to ensure my mixes match the theme! With that said, this reads as a dessert vape, not a beverage vape. It may not have started that way, but that’s where it ended up. It was inspired by Coop’s famous Kiwi Bourbon but turned into what it says in my description.

I chose TFA and FA Pears because they just work well together. Neither quite gives a satisfying pear experience on its own, but together they are perfect!

TFA Kentucky Bourbon is delicious on its own but I wanted a little more realism in my bourbon sauce, so I added the FLV for a hint of charred flavor.

NF Ginger is really excellent if you want a crisp, fresh ginger flavor. It’s well rounded, spicy, and delicious. FLV Ginger is my favorite. I even like it solo. It’s there to support the NF and add its own unique flavor that I can’t seem to get enough of. Don’t like your mix? Add some FLV Ginger to it and it’ll be great!

TFA Toasted Marshmallow ties everything together, gives the pears a cooked flavor and works some kind of voodoo with Kentucky Bourbon that is simply magical.

What about that chocolate note in the description? No clue! I kept getting some extra flavor that I couldn’t identify. It wasn’t off in the sense of bad, but something was there I couldn’t put my finger on. I vaped it for a week while trying to write the description and finally just wrote the first sentence of the description and called it good. Dave is the one who identified it as chocolate. So I added a sentence to the description after he reviewed it and called it done!

As for the name, The Second Coming is the title of my favorite poem by Irish poet Yeats. Let’s face it, naming a juice simply based on the description is booooring. Mixer’s Club and this sub Reddit have inspired me to be a little more creative when naming my mixes. Give this baby about 7 days for everything to come together and you’ll have a delicious bottle of juice!

[Soulsucker](https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/110753#soulsucker_by_loonicorn)

A ginger-lemonade spiked with gin with an exotic floral twist.

FA Gin @ 2%

HS Ginger @ 1%

CAP Hibiscus @ 0.5%

FA Lavender @ 0.25%

FLV Lemonade @ 3%

This was my 2nd submission for the St. Patty’s Day theme, so again, booze and ginger. This one definitely reads as a beverage vape. It is fantastic, delicious, delightful and refreshing. Don’t let those crazy ingredients fool you. It defies description though I did my best! It is absolutely unique. I had no clue what was going to happen. It was inspired by a cocktail recipe I found online and could never find again. The cocktail was gin and lemonade with ginger syrup, lavender syrup, and a lavender garnish. I was expecting an abomination and instead got this amazing mix. I tried a few tweaks to fine tune what I liked about it, but other attempts were unsuccessful. So this was a v1 all the way!

FA Gin is used because gin was in the cocktail recipe I found online. It’s still the only gin I have, so if it needs gin, it gets FA.

FLV Lemonade is my favorite. I just love it. I would use it exclusively if it weren’t so prone to fading. It’s a Country Time type lemonade. Would love to find a fresh squeezed lemonade flavor that I like to mix with, but so far that hasn’t happened. For now, it remains my go to for all lemonade-based recipes.

CAP Hibiscus is in there because the cocktail recipe called for ginger and lavender syrups. Hibiscus is a great flavor for adding a syrupy sweet quality, especially when working with florals.

I chose HS for the ginger because I had had luck with it before when I was trying to get a syrupy kind of ginger you might find in candied ginger. Oddly enough, it also works for bakeries. But if I want candied ginger, I reach for the HS.

FA Lavender is my only lavender flavor, so it wins!

The only downside to this is how quickly the lemonade fades. I’ve been working on creating a lemonade base that can work with everything and stand up to a long steep. I have a really good one for plain lemonade but as soon as I start adding other ingredients, it starts getting weird. It’s not just this recipe. I have a watermelon mint lemonade profile I’ve been chasing for a while. I also want to do a ginger (surprise!) and a ginger-mint lemonade. But it sends my base out of whack when I add anything.

So, here is my compromise on unleashing this to the public: This is going to fade; it’s not a deep steeper. Give it three days to blend everything together and vape it all within about 2 weeks. You could probably push the FLV Lemonade to 3.5% and get a little more time out of it. But if you push it higher or add support, you are going to ruin that unique delicious quality that comes from combining some really weird ingredients.

I called it Soulsucker cuz that’s what gingers do, being soulless themselves!

[Strawberry Blonde](https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/117419#strawberry_blonde_by_loonicorn)

A gooey maple gingerbread blondie.

TFA Bavarian Cream @ 1.5%

TFA Brown Sugar @ 0.75%

TFA Butter @ 0.5%

CAP Cake Batter @ 0.75%

FA Cookie @ 1%

FLV Ginger Snap @ 0.5%

CAP Gingerbread @ 2%

FA Maple Syrup @ 1.5%

JF Yellow Cake @ 2%

HS Ginger @ 0.25% (Optional)

As I mentioned, I was a guest on Mixin’ Vixens when they mixed their Maple Nut Blondie recipes. I mixed [this](https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/113664#e_sploded_by_loonicorn) recipe for the show. It was a traditional blondie and pretty darn tasty for a v1. Emily and Rin were already privy to my ginger obsession (Emily from Noted and Rin from MC), so one of these geniuses suggested I do a gingerbread blondie! So the crazy ginger lady got right to work.

The blondie: A blondie is similar to a brownie except instead of cocoa or chocolate, it’s loaded with brown sugar, butter, and, often, maple. Nuts are optional. I included them in my E’Sploded recipe but thought it was too much for an already complex profile with the gingerbread added. Blondies and brownies are sort of half cake and half cookie. So, I used FA Cookie for the cookie, JF Yellow Cake for the cake, and CAP Cake Batter to blend them into a gooey concoction. TFA Brown Sugar and Butter were included to carry that true to blondie flavor. I probably could have left the maple out with the nuts but I really loved the FA Maple in E’Sploded so I kept it in there.

The Gingerbread: CAP Gingerbread is the star of the show here. It takes our traditional blondie profile and makes it more special. But I also wanted to include some of the dark molasses flavor common to a good gingerbread. Enter FLV Ginger Snap. I kept it low. It’s dark as sin and you have to shake the hell out of it. When you look at the bottom of the bottle before shaking, it looks like the bottle is black plastic! Anyway, it supports the Gingerbread and adds a nice molasses finish.

TFA Bavarian Cream is there to blend the two main profiles together, keep the mix from being too dry, and support the maple so it doesn’t disappear.

The recipe is excellent as it is. But much like Christopher Walken always wants more cowbell in the SNL Blue Oyster Cult skit, I think everything needs more ginger! Without it the cinnamon note from the gingerbread portion overpowers the ginger. And I can’t have that! I tried a few different gingers at a few different percentages and landed on HS at 0.25%. I also liked it at 0.5%, but unless you are obsessed with all things ginger, 0.25% is where it’s at.

So, there you have it, my gingerbread blondie recipe I call Strawberry Blonde despite the fact that it does not contain or taste like strawberry in any way shape or form. Give it about 10 days to lose the dryness.

So, do I deserve some ginger flair? Have I earned it yet? Do I need to finalize my ginger-mango candy recipe first? I dunno. Tell me what you think! Am I even a ginger? Hmmm. Am I? Technically I think I’m a golden blonde with a hint of strawberry. But in the right light, the right clothes, etc., I can totally pass for a ginger. Plus, the skin tone is ALL ginger…freckles, sunburn, and the whole nine yards. Do I have a soul? Have I ever sucked any souls? That is for the community and the Kingmaker to decide.

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by isuamadogover 6 years ago

Hey there! I'm just starting to get into gingers and learning how to use them. So, thank you for the notes. I also take care of moms and know how nice it is to turn the brain off and decompress. Mine doesnt have Alzheimer's per se but is forgetful and needing more effort as the days move on. And vacation becomes just simply not having to worry 24/7. Looking forward to watching that noted episode and seeing what to add to the next order.

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

Gingers are fun. I'm surprised at how versatile they can be; they fit into so many profiles.

For sure; parenting your parent is rough. Have you had your mom tested for dementia? It comes in soooo many forms, not just Alz.

Anyway, have fun playing with ginger!!! :-D

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by WHSK3over 6 years ago

Ooh, ginger! This is a great thought I hadn’t had yet. I’m relatively new to the community, but welcome back and thank you! I was a clove smoker pre-vaping, but I’m adamantly against chasing old flavors as they never match up (think Coke drinker trying to fill the void with Diet Coke). But ginger! That very well could give me the sweet and spice I love without feeling like a substitution!

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

I know what you mean. I wouldn't vape anything with tobacco or menthol for the first year of vaping. I wanted to separate smoking and vaping strongly in my associations. Eventually you'll get over it and when you do, I highly recommend Dune by kindground: https://alltheflavors.com/recipes/57961#dune_an_arrakis_remix_by_kindground

I am not sure how it compares to old school cloves cuz it's been too many years. I do know it's a nice woodsy tobacco with cardamom and clove spices.

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by Zermachtover 6 years ago

FLV Ginger is amazing, if you can only get one, get this one.

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by bigtidderover 6 years ago

It's OK. Not even close to amazing though, especially with that stale urine vibe in the first few pulls. Now if you said FLV Cream is amazing I would fully agree.

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by Zermachtover 6 years ago

I've yet to get cream. I dont really get any bad taste from flv ginger. It tastes nearly identical to fresh root to me

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by bigtidderover 6 years ago

Oh man, FLV Cream is used in so many recipes and their ginger in so few. Interesting how you got the ginger first! I wonder if a ginger cream could actually be good?

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

I kind of agree. FLV Ginger is by far the best tasting. I'll vape it solo. But if I could only have one it would probably be NF because it is so damn versatile.

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by juthincover 6 years ago

Maybe if you did a bang-on Mule recipe (Jamaican style ginger beer, with lime, mint, and vodka) you'd be more deserving.

Btw, thoughts on Pure Flavors' ginger?

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

That sounds fantastic. I will require two things before I accept your challenge.

  1. I will have to go somewhere and drink a Mule or 2 for authenticity. And Science.
  2. I need a good vodka flavor. Any suggestions?
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by juthincover 6 years ago
  1. Both Cabana Coast and Russian Standard make ready to drink ones. I thought i preferred the cabana coast, but the syrupy sweet ginger in the russian standard is enjoyable. I suggest a half dozen of each. Try one first on days one, three, and five, then drink it second on the other days. (Yes, one of each per day over six days. It's for science.)

  2. You could get away with VT Vodka.

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by LianazVapinover 6 years ago

U r blessed in the art of ginger, and I will b adding to my new long shopping list!

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by Wayne0over 6 years ago

You deserve the Ginger flair.

CAP Gingerbread is really good, I was vaping on that a month ago.

Flavorah's Ginger I'm vaping right now, mixed with some INW Rhubarb mainly. I'm liking it so far, but it's a v1 and not sure which one of the two to adjust.

~~What % did you use in Longing. I'd be thinking around .2%~~

Edit: Found Ardent, boy was I off. At .6% it blew away most of my Rhubarb at .3%, hence my much lower guess.

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

Yeah, it is amazing how the percentage can vary so wildly depending on what else is in the mix. Plus I am like a ginger junkie. Most people would probably like Ardent just as much at 1% as I like it at 1.5%. I tried it at lower percentages but found 1.5% to be the sweet spot in that particular mix.

I'm also loving CAP Gingerbread...It is a relatively new one for me. But it is my secret weapon in my white whale recipe. I'm closer than ever to it thanks to CAP Gingerbread. Will release it soon.

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by kindgroundover 6 years ago

FYI, FLV lemongrass used ridiculously high has a very sharp, spicy, almost peppery ginger note. Anything 0.75-2%.

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

Awesome sauce. I have some in my cabinet but haven't done a SFT because I don't SFT and probably never will. I wasn't entirely sure what kind of mix I should try it in. Ginger lemonade, ginger mint lemonade, and maybe a nice ginger tea type vape are all interesting profiles I could work some FLV Lemon Grass into. Ty for the info!

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by kindgroundover 6 years ago

Just start at about 0.75% and go up if it's not what you want. It may completely dominate a mix. I'm not sure. I haven't tried it yet. Just did SFT of it way too high and that's what I got.

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

I tried to edit and add recipe flair to the post but it didn't work. So my flairless recipe may disappear and never be seen by anyone except /u/ID10-T since I tagged him in it. Can a mod add recipe flair to it for me so people see it! Ty. Sorry, noob to format!

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by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

Lack of post flair doesn’t prevent people from seeing your post, but I added one for you. Welcome back!

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by Loonicorn420over 6 years agoSoul, Schmoul

Tyvm on both counts!

This new format is throwing me. I thought it would be on top. I've seen this in other subs, like for aquariums, and I never see my post again!

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by OdieDoodahover 6 years agoThe Real MVP

> This new format is throwing me.

You're probably talking about the nasty-ass "New Reddit"
You want to add old. in from of the URL - like this . . .
 
https://old.reddit.com/r/DIY_eJuice/comments/bp5krm/a_treatise_on_ginger/

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by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

I don’t think changing user flair is one of the mod powers granted to mobile app users and I’m away from my desk, probably for the evening. Maybe /u/Apexified or /u/EdibleMalfunction is available and will see fit to do that. I think replacing “Diketones, Schmiketones” with “Soul, Schmoul” would be appropriate.

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