I'll keep this brief assuming that the importance of taking action is self-evident to every vaper in the EU
- A campaign for getting the European Commission to abandon the TPD and create sensible legislation for vaping products has been running for a month now.
- It needs to reach a million statements of support in one year to be successful. We're still under 10K right now.
- If we don't manage to drastically get things going, we're never going to make the threshold.
This is not about the annoying 2ml capacity of our atomizers. It's about saving the lives of millions of smokers.
Please go vote and get as many others to do the same.
https://vapingisnottobacco.eu/en/eci/
EDIT: for some the actual voting page seems to not work. It's probably because of the iFrame to a differnt server. Try this one:
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/005/public/#/initiative
EDIT: Notified the site owners. Fucking fantastic, site doesn't work on the browser that has 60% market share.
Fucking hell 10k and we need a million? I didn't even know this was going on..
And honestly a fucking MILLION? That's like they are fucking with us man. That's literally impossible
The site doesn't work here. When you click sign the ICE you just land on a page with a header and an empty body.
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However I remember that i had participated to the public consultation that was organized to prepare this law project. Looks like this was useless... Those massive cunts of depute don't understand anything.
Are you on Macos Chrome by any chance? I remember having the same issue. Safari worked...
I signed, but I think i can live with strict regulations, it's all to protect the younger peeps from smoking or a debilitating addiction to nicotine. What i want to know is, why do i have to go and stand with all the smokers when i want to have a puff of my vape? I do think vaping equipment should not be classed as a tobacco product, even though nicotine is. I have to show ID to buy a fucking drip tip, or a tank or a mod even if it's ordering it on amazon and it comes with all these nicotine warnings all over it. But i can buy Large quantities of nicotine easily. That is laughable.
it's not about getting rid of strict regulations, it's about getting regulations that make sense. 2 ml tanks are really dumb, all it does is make me refill more often. limiting nicotine in both volume and strength is a borderline environmental hazard, you produce 30 small plastic bottles of trash when you mix up 1l of 6mg base.
there is a smart way to approach regulations and then there is tpd..
Nicotine comes from tobacco, and what’s in most juices? I’m all for vaping, but kinda a stupid point(or I’m misunderstanding it idk if I am if so my bad)
~~True~~. Not per se. (I stand corrected). But anyhow, nicotine is not what kills a smoker. Tar and carbon monoxide kill smokers. Nicotine is just the reason they keep smoking. (well actually the nicotine + ammonia combo, which makes the nicotine a free base - same process as making crack cocaine from cocaine. The rush is much more intense and addictive. That's why cigar smokers and pipe smokers are somewhat less hopeless, and it's why people rarely get addicted to nic gum / patches. And why quitting vaping is much less of a withdrawal crisis than cigs)
Here are a few of the chemicals in tobacco smoke and other places they are found:
- Acetone—found in nail polish remover
- Acetic acid—an ingredient in hair dye
- Ammonia—a common household cleaner
- Arsenic—used in rat poison
- Benzene—found in rubber cement and gasoline
- Butane—used in lighter fluid
- Cadmium—active component in battery acid
- Carbon monoxide—released in car exhaust fumes
- Formaldehyde—embalming fluid
- Hexamine—found in barbecue lighter fluid
- Lead—used in batteries
- Naphthalene—an ingredient in mothballs
- Methanol—a main component in rocket fuel
- Nicotine—used as an insecticide
- Tar—material for paving roads
- Toluene—used to manufacture paint
There's plenty more additives. Cigarettes have hundres of times more acetyl than any aroma for vape juice, ironically. Yet never a smoker died from popcorn lung.
Lots of them are known carcinogens but the main thing that is wrong about cigarettes is that
A.. you set it on fire, then inhale the combustion smoke ; that will kill you. but
B. it has such a sneaky chemical composition(*) that you can't stop smoking even though you realize you're going to die from it. The reasons why these chemicals are in there is where the story takes a really evil turn...
(*) Engineered by top talent scientist who did the best they could to make that composition as addictive as possible and the very best ad agencies to sell it to as many people as possible - look up "magic juice philip morris" to read the horror story about how they made Marlboro the best selling brand of cigarettes worldwide. These guys killed more people than Hitler and Mao and Stalin combined. Made trillions. Bought off all the governments when they started asking questions.
Nicotine comes from tobacco. It's addictive and not healthy. But if you wanted to kill yourself with it, you'd have to eat your cigarettes and manage not to projectile vomit before you absorb enough of it.
Interesting is that normal nic base has freebase nic and the nic salts have the natural form. So why is nic salt giving a better rush and not the other way around?
- because you can't vape freebase nic in the ten times higher concentration of nic salts because of the throat hit it would have;
- Nic salt has benzoic acid , which renders the nicotine even more bio-available than freebase nicotine (i.e. it's the ammonia trick by Phil Morris but improved. But admittedly, smoking ammonia was a very bad idea compared to vaping benzoic acid.)
- Still I'm frankly quite weary about nic salt and the addictive qualities I suspect it has. I wouldn't switch to it if you're vaping normal nic. Still it's way better than smoking cigarettes so if you can't seem to stick to vaping normal nic it's an option I guess.
Also, tobacco leaves have water, too. But if you'd extract that water then it's not tobacco any longer, right?
Edit: and obviously I forgot to add that regulating and taxing vape products as if they were tobacco products doesn't help smokers to make the switch to the 95% less harmful and most successful substitute (by far)
there's additional mechanisms of action regarding tobacco vs. pure nicotine, most notably that tobacco contains (a?) monoamine oxidase inhibitor(s) which prevent the oxidation (essentially deactivation) of neurotransmitters like serotonin, dopamine, and norepinephrine, which play a key role in nicotine's stimulating effects and the user themselves
There's about a hundred additives we more or less can assume they reinforce addictiveness. The list reads like the masterpiece of a group of brilliant psychopaths if you ask me. They added things like eucalyptol, cocoa, menthol, sugar and a whole bunch of things "as flavor enhancers" but these are 'coincidentally' also bronchodilators, local anesthetics. cough suppressants and even some stuff that masks sickness symptoms so people would keep smoking when they're ill. Wow. Calm down Satan.
They added PG so that the burning slows down when you're not taking a drag, they added acetyl pyrazine (same as the aroma we use) to have smokers associate the smoke with the smell of fresh bread. Sugar combustion forms formaldehyde, benzaldehyde and a whole bunch more toxic stuff, acetaldehyde being the monoamine oxidase inhibitor you mentioned.
Microscopic holes in the filters get covered by your lips but not by the government cigarette testing equipment, so the readings would be much lower: imagine throwing that one up in a brainstorm session with the other product development peeps.
I'm not a supporter of the death penalty but these people should have been assassinated for almost literally being a cancer to our species. Instead they dine in the finest restaurants with all the other mass murderers, although it finally seems like the idea is starting to dawn that something is really wrong in this world: For First Time, Pharmaceutical Distributor Faces Federal Criminal Charges Over Opioid Crisis
No, it is entirely possible to get fully synthetic nicotine