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Single-Flavors You've Tried? Exciting or No?
submitted over 6 years ago by RancerDS

Hello again DIY fans. It's another round of how good or bad was the stand alone flavors you've tried this past week? We've all been surprised at one time or another. It seems that something which didn't thrill us; it blew our socks off... on rare occasion. And we all remember those that didn't taste like it should, had weird off-notes or just seemed to slightly miss the mark. Some of you veteran mixers still probably got ideas how to use them, regardless. :)

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Before I mention the one flavor I'd tested, thought maybe it would help to put something in perspective. My favorite atty, the Wismec Theorem, is once again out of service because I keep breaking the dang glass tubes! Going back to the Griffin 25 is fine... except it's got a completely different coil. :/ The NiChr 80 Clapton just doesn't taste as good as the simple round SS316L wire. So in all fairness, not getting the full, true flavor from the mixes that I once was. Guessing some of you also know what this is like?

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FA Forest Fruit - Good
It was suggested in one of these threads.. and for good reason. It is gratifying. I'd tested it in the Theorem with the broken glass, but only for a few puffs. I'm looking forward to vaping this for a couple of hours when the replacement glass arrives. It isn't sweet enough (for me) on it's own; so had to add a couple of drops to 20 mL test mix. At 4%, feel like I could vape it at least 2-3 hours. Honestly not sure it can be an ADV, since some fruity mixes mute out after a short while.

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* *RE-MENTION (Using Griffin 25 w/.7 ohm NiChr 80 coil)

PUR Sweet Tobacco - Okay

I'm having trouble getting the same flavor as before. I did come off of another tobacco mix, so it may have be that. Or it may be the old coil. Or sinus issues. Who knows. But I do know for sure that the throat his is less now. And I'm adding two drops of CAP Super Sweet to it too. Could be the sweetener, huh?

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FOOTNOTE: I'll be changing to a SS316L coil (Griffin 25) in the near future to see if that's the reason for lacking flavor.

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33 points
 
by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

I tried 9 popcorn flavors.

TFA Popcorn Movie Theater - Picture this, a disgruntled cinema concession worker wants to be fired in a spectacular way, not just fail to show up for work like a "beta cuck loser." So when you politely ask for extra butter on your popcorn, he opens a fresh cafeteria-sized can of fake butter and guzzles it right in front of you. You’re watching him full-body clench hering that retchy sound several times as he chugs it down, his stomach trying to violently reject this abuse, but he somehow manages to hold it down. Once the oversized can is empty, he wipes his greasy mouth, leaving a yellow stain on his sleeve, smiles maniacally, and sprays a gallon of fake butter puke all over your popcorn before handing you your red and white free refill sized bucket of popcorn, overflowing with stomach acid laced artificially-butter flavored partially hydrogenated soybean oil. That, right there, is TFA Popcorn Movie Theater.

Almost all of this is oddly warm fake movie theater butter flavor that’s also disgustingly sour in a way that tastes a whole lot like the stomach acid in vomit or a very forceful, wet burp. Not just a hint of a vomity off-note, full-on barf all the way through. At the very start there’s a smidge of nuttiness and at the tail end of the exhale there’s slight touch of something fluffier that might be popcorn, but it’s two thin slices of popcorn around a double decker barf butter sandwich. I only tried it briefly at 3%. I refused to torture myself further with this.

FW Buttered Popcorn Almost ties with TFA Popcorn Movie theater for worst popcorn flavor at 3%. It tastes like butter buds - that dry butter flavoring you can sprinkle on stuff - mixed with donut glaze - and then vomited up. At first it’s just a weirdly sweet butter flavor - not aggressively fake butter - but dry - and then towards the end of the exhale it gets increasingly creamy and less dry and more vomity. Between the dryness, which is the only thing about it that suggests popcorn, and the barf, exhaling this through the nose was so much like puking and having some of the puke come out though my nose and that I could almost feel the burning stomach acid in the sinuses.

FW Kettle Corn You know when you’re cooking and you have to cream butter with sugar, meaning mix the hell out of softened butter and sugar until it’s one thing. Ever tasted that? It’s good, right? Now imagine eating that and puking it back up. FW Kettle Corn is that. Very sweet sugar-butter blend with a bit of stomach acid on top. It’s also a little waxy. It’s kind of like CAP Butter Cream, actually, like maybe if you drank CAP Butter Cream, puked it up, and tried to vape that at 3 or 4% it might recreate this. If you can somehow ignore the puke, it’s sweet and creamy. And puke is just a mild but horrible distraction from the sugar-butter, not one of the two main aspects of the flavor like TFA Movie Theater and FW Buttered Popcorn fake-butter/puke flavor. Maybe the puke even steeps out if you give it longer than a week. It’s a stinker, though, for sure. And I’m not getting anything resembling popcorn here, regardless. Which is probably a good thing, I feel like it would somehow be even worse if I did. Tried it at 3%.

TFA Popcorn Air-Popped aka sawdust redskin peanut butter. It tastes like Peanut Butter that was made without taking the redskins off the nuts - has that kind of bitter peanut skin note on top - but “watered down” as if PB was drug and your dealer stepped on it with sawdust or cardboard or something else relatively dry and flavorless. It doesn’t taste anything like any sort of popcorn at 5%.

VT Popcorn So there’s nothing unpleasant here at 3%, but if you gave me this unlabeled and asked me to tell you whether it was a popcorn single flavor or someone’s failed attempt at a fruit and cream, I would pick failed fruit and cream. There’s a little bit of dry vague nuttiness or bakery on top that is the closest it comes to popcorn, a finish that’s a rich and buttery cream that’s very similar to the cream in their Coffee Milk Froth flavor after a steep, and in the middle a bunch of vague fruity sweetness that tastes like bunch of different fruits got muddled and muted to the point of being unrecognizable. That’s the main reason why the fruit and cream is failed, because of the muddled and muted-ness, though you probably also don’t want your cream to be this buttery in a fruit and cream. I’m sure there’s a use for this mess, but it’s not popcorn at all. It’s worth noting that they also have a Buttered Popcorn flavor and I keep hearing that it is the popcorn to get from Vape Train if you want popcorn, but I haven't tried that one.

TFA Popcorn Corn Pops cereal with milk, sprinkled with unpopped popcorn kernels at 4%. It tastes a lot more like Corn Pops cereal with a little whole milk than popped popcorn. It’s a little sweet, with a touch of rich slightly dairy base that’s more milky than buttery, but the top note is sort of halfway between an unpopped kernel, kind of nutty and has a sort of raw AP taste, and Corn Pops cereal. It coats the palate with a lingering taste that’s even more like Corn Pops with milk than the actual vape. I don’t know if there’s a commercial cereal vape out there that tastes like Corn Pops or claims to taste like Corn Pops, but if there is, and you wanted to clone it, this would probably be the first place I’d look to see if it matches up.

WF Caramel Popcorn & Peanuts It's more caramel peanuts than popcorn. It’s like reaching into a box of cracker jacks and winding up with a handful that’s somehow got a far above average amount of peanuts than the usual peanuts to popcorn ratio. The peanut taste is great, spot on. The caramel is deadly accurate to the sort of caramel-flavored popcorn coating versus other kinds of caramel, but it all tastes a little wet, like it hasn’t fully dried yet, in that the texture is a bit bogged down by it. I guess it’s dry enough to be what it’s supposed to be, but it doesn’t really have that crunch of either peanuts or popcorn, making it more like kind of stale and chewy Cracker Jacks that’s sat out for awhile than a freshly opened box. This is being super nitpicky though because overall it’s a terrific flavor at 2.5%. I’d just back it up with some TFA Kettle Corn, FLV Popcorn, or Cereal 27.

TFA Kettle Corn Part of what makes kettle corn so great is that sweet-and-salty combo of having sugar and salt both on your popcorn. Without the salt, it’s much less great, but this one pretty much captures that - kettle corn minus the salt. It’s a delicate tasting flavor, so much that at first I was just like, “What is this flavor, just a sweet nothing whispered to my palate?”

I found I really had to concentrate more than usual on what I was tasting. Although it doesn’t taste like much at 5%, it’s very full-bodied. Pretty much like popcorn. It feels dry for much of the vape, which would be accurate for the flavor, with that light but accurate popcorn flavor and natural tasting sweetness. It even does this mouth-coating sort of oily thing like popcorn on the end, but without tasting buttery. All that’s missing is the salt, and the only off-note I get from it aside from the missing salt is a slight hint of vanilla.

FLV Popcorn It does popcorn really well, so well that you can almost taste the salt. What I mean is that it’s not really there, but it otherwise does popcorn so well my brain badly wants to fill in that blank, because not having it is confusing. It’s not perfect, but it’s a clearer, more accurate popcorn flavor that all of the others overall. It’s dry - an accuracy plus - but dry enough to be a little rough, so that's something to be aware of. It seems like it can’t decide whether it wants to be a kettle or a caramel popcorn: There’s a sweet glaze on it that tastes too caramelized for the sugar on kettle corn, but it stops well short of full caramel. It’s kind of top-heavy on the actual popcorn flavor, but full-textured and fluffy like popcorn around that sweet glaze at 1%.

8 points
 
by Bananus01over 6 years ago

Could you please follow me around and narrate my life? I feel like you would increase my happiness by about 500%

8 points
 
by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

No, but I’ll lick various parts of any attractive female relatives/friends/coworkers you have and give you somewhat detailed flavor notes on them, if that helps

3 points
 
by Bananus01over 6 years ago

Deal!

6 points
 
by ben_gamingover 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

I always love the colorful stories you tell with your flavor reviews. Your talent at “setting the scene” that best conveys the nuances of a flavor is one of several reasons I always look for your impressions before anyone else’s. I know you’ll probably respond with some modest disclaimer about the flavor telling its own story but we all know there’s a lot of talent involved too— there’s no way I can articulate everything you observe no matter how hard I focus on the flavor. Also, your reviews of bad flavors are so hilarious that I look forward to them most of all.

3 points
 
by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

One man’s humble disclaimer is another’s pretentious bullshit, I guess, but regardless, I’m just trying to help you not have to suffer too many shitty flavors to find the ones you’re looking for.

2 points
 
by ben_gamingover 6 years agoDiketones, Schmiketones

I’m actually kind of glad I bought TFA Honey before I knew what I was doing, because it illustrated to me how even your most hilariously visceral ”flavor takedowns” don’t just make me shoot milk out of my nose, they also perfectly capture the putrid essences of those flavors. The warnings are extremely valuable, and comedy is the best way to capture flavors that tragic in words.

3 points
 
by RancerDSover 6 years ago

Gotta be flat out straight here... after reading about the 1st one, couldn't really read any more. Was left with a very strong impression of what you'd meant. And that's without having a great imagination, your picture-painting efforts were truly potent. Hoping there are not any others quite so nasty-seeming, I'll read more now. :P

1 points
 
by zenotekover 6 years ago

I’m into cereal vapes and your comments on TFA Popcorn have me intrigued, however none on my usual vendors carries it. Where did you buy it? Please don’t say Nicotine River.

1 points
 
by ID10-Tover 6 years agoThe Kingmaker

DIY Vapor Supply

2 points
 
by zenotekover 6 years ago

Ok so they don’t have it. Did you mean TDA Popcorn their in store brand?

1 points
 
by RancerDSover 6 years ago

I've only ordered from NicRiver three times... and out of all the items order, they'd mis-shipped just one. They sent a replacement after I took & sent a picture of the packing slip and the wrong concentrate. The orders didn't seem to take more than a week to get here.

6 points
 
by bigtidderover 6 years ago

FLV Ginger at 1.5%, 1.2mg nic

Finally vaping this. Day 46 in the Centaur RTA. First few inhales I get a dark piss like impression but it quickly goes away. At 1.5% I'm getting a solid ginger spice note which is quite similar to a nicotine buzz/headrush. In fact, chain vaping this is making my scalp sweat. Eating cheese makes my face sweat in the same way as this does. Very weird. Per ConcreteRiver's take on this, it's more of a dark fancy ginger-ale flavor, but I'm not sure I agree with his assesment that I wouldn't work well in a bakery - I think it would but haven't tried yet. Should pair well with INW Shisha Gingerbread to complement those dark molasses/hot cross bun flavors. This flavor is lacking the "fresh clean" smell/taste of freshly diced ginger root, which is massively disappointing to me since I wanted to use this to bring a fresh clean tasting ginger top note. I get a touch of floral from this, but nowhere near FLV Lychee. No perfume vibe like INW plum or blackberry flavors. Glad I only bought a 3ml of this since I don't think it will get much use. Just came back to this and now I can tell that I can really taste my nic in this and it's almost as strong as the ginger flavor. It could be a touch over nic'd but I doubt it. I think it's combination of the Centaur, and the FLV Ginger not having enough body to cover the nic taste (it's clean fresh nic I haven't had issues with in any other mix).

2 points
 
by m_i_rover 6 years ago

I HIGHLY reccomend Hangsen Ginger. I've been doing it at 10% in blank fill-it-yourself JUUL pods for over a month and I'm still digging it. More of a "ginnger beer" ginger flavor than a "dried, spicy" ginger if that helps.

2 points
 
by bigtidderover 6 years ago

Cool. Does it lean more towards "dark and complex" or "simple and fresh"?

1 points
 
by m_i_rover 6 years ago

I'd say the latter. Bright and...I don't want to say "simple"...maybe "straightforward?" It's a good base to accent with another ginger, maybe. Cause, as any semi-experienced DIYer knows, 1 flavor RARELY captures all the desired notes. But I'm lazy, so it works for me, LOL

5 points
 
by Keroseneslickbackover 6 years ago

A lot of the flavors I've been tasting have been covered, so I'll offer some thoughts on these:

FLV Pink Guava. 2% tested. I got this flavor on people's recommendations for grapefruit, and certainly I really like guava as well. This has a bright, crisp flavor with tangy and bitter notes. Strong at 2%. Light throat hit, very smooth. I certainly get guava from it, and I think it's because I know the taste of guava and love it. The bitter notes certainly add a form of citrus, so I see how people get pure grapefruit. For me it's a 60/40 guava/grapefruit, and delicious all the same. With 0.5% SS, it brings a body and cuts down the bitter notes; with 0.5% koolada, there's a slight twist that helps round out the flavor profile. I can see how people see this as a Rorchach test, but if anyone likes guava or grapefruit, I think this is an easy pick up and the price justifies the potency.

Nic River Ocean Myst. NR's flavor line is new to me, and since I was ordering from them and this seemed like a one-shot, I grabbed it. I've got another by them as well coming up. At 5%, it's weak and the flavor is almost non-existent. I bumped it up to 7% and added some SS (between 0.5-1%) and helped boost it a bit. This really comes out to a light, tangy grape 'drink' mix. Not purely artificial or candy, but something between like grape koolaid with just a hint of real juice. Tasty and light and refreshing. But I wouldn't grab this as a one-shot for grape lovers, but wouldn't be bad for a grape drink at times. I'm gonna see what adding some other flavors does to this.

Pazzo Ace. Tested at 5%. I get a strong papaya and pineapple flavor with other hints here and there like kiwi. It's floral at first, and dry. Some SS and Koolada brought it to life for me. Some tropical mixes get to me with too much banana or that strawberry+kiwi mix that ends up weird since I can't taste strawberry, but this really is a different tropical to me. The papaya and pineapple are strong on the inhale, but other flavors tumble out in the exhale that leaves me wondering. With SS and Koolada, I see this as an easy shake+vape ADV.

Pazzo Joker. I had this flavor before and couldn't love it despite other's love for it. I'm trying to get more into dessert flavors, and this just doesn't work for me. Tested at 5%. I get hints of spice with some biscuit, but no cream and it's dry and spicy in the way that it leaves me not enjoying the vape. I'm gonna play around a bit, but I feel the bottle will collect dust.

INW Lemon Cake. I LOVE lemon cake ejuices. A bright lemon flavor with sugar and some cream and a cake-y base is heaven. At 3%, this is great from the start. It's got all the lemon cake elements there, balanced right. But it feels lacking, in a right way; like you can see the hope of something amazing there. With the rest of my tester, I added some INW Lemon and CAP Sugar Cookie at 1% each, and I fudged it with too much lemon that made it too bright. Next time I'll back it down, maybe play with some cream/custard.

3 points
 
by wonderfulpantsuitover 6 years ago

I tried Cola (Cap) at 5%, 6mg nic. Tastes like the cola syrup we used to get for our sodastream as a kid. Or like warm, flat, supermarket own-brand Coke. Strong flavour, really sweet.

I can definitely see me using this quite a bit.

1 points
 
by Urano_Metriaover 6 years agoMentholatier

Spice it up with some WS-23. It will help remove the warmness.

2 points
 
by padishar123over 6 years ago

I’ve made plenty over the years and I’ve never had a single flavor pass muster. I’ve got plenty of 2 and 3 ingredient mixes that are good.

1 points
 
by RancerDSover 6 years ago

I'm coming to a conclusion that the concentrate makers want us to buy sweetener or other "additives" to help those flavors reach their potential. I think someone said it best when responding to a question on how much WS-23 to add... just barely put any in, you can always add more.

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So when people talk of off-notes, they'd tried to add too much to it for starters?? Either way, would rather have it a bit weak than a bit off. And guess a lot of it is trying to find the magic number for the percentage to use. :)

3 points
 
by padishar123over 6 years ago

I disagree. I live in America....a country obsessed with sugar. It’s in literally everything from McDonald’s hamburgers to salad dressing. I grew up in a household that essentially restricted sugar to the minimum and hence as an adult I don’t care for sweets. As soon as I figured out that sucralose is a sugar and gunks coils I stopped using it. There was an adjustment period but after that I’m just as happy as before. Just my two cents. Less is actually more but you need to get off the addiction of super sweet over flavored. 10-15% flavor max.

In regards to off notes you are right. I just follow recipes and rate them. After making about 300 different recipes I have a short list of about 30 i love and make over and over. I’ve noticed how good recipes blend the same flavor from multiple vendors. Here is a perfect example: tamamango

Flv mango is too strong by itself so it is blended with 3 other mangos and strawberry is added as a layer. After years of looking at recipes, I’ve gotten pretty good at identifying a potentially good looking recipe based on how this technique is employed. When I see a simple recipe of strawberry and banana, I’m skeptical as I know a better approach would be several strawberries and several bananas. For example, you often see TFA strawberry ripe and regular strawberry used in conjunction. Similarly banana and banana cream used together. That would be a more balanced recipe.

Keep in mind that we are using artificial flavors intended for the food industry. The predominant use for these is candy.

1 points
 
by pornplaysmusicover 6 years ago

That TFA Movie Theater description made me nauseous. Well done! hahaha

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